PM Yingluck's fate to be decided today

[Morch]

Not if the family member is the best fitting person.....And this family seems to be extreme talented as all family members end at top positions.

The person replaced, Thawil, had spent 6 years negotiating ( or trying to) with the insurgents in the South. How well did that go? If I had a CV like that I wouldn't be too hopeful of retaining my job. He has since gone on record as refusing to report to Yingluck. Are you sure abhisit employed him because he was the best of the talent available or because he was known to be anti Thaksin, (not to mention his appearances on the PDRC stage more recently).

The reasoning for the court case is plainly obvious. The Senators who made the complaint to the court in the first place were the Gang of 40 - all anti Thaksin Senators. The complaint was made (2nd April) after the cabinet had agreed to reinstate Thawil (March 25th), so what motive was there in registering a complaint, other than being obviously political?

A farce.

OK looks to you like a farce, but it takes 2 to tango, so if the said Yingluck/PTP were so brilliant and no corrupt in their governing they would NOT be facing any BODY =they would be delivering mega super measures for a better Thailand--but call me biased but again if they were clean---list me the mega achievements over the 3 years----I know you or the other Pro brigade never answer.

Transferring an unwilling, anti government, official is not corruption.

And please, spare us the pleading for the off topic list - it ain't gonna happen.

I don't think the transfer itself is the issue. More about the reasoning behind it, the manner in which it was carried out and possible improper goals connected with it.

By the way, was he actually "unwilling, anti-government" prior to the transfer?

[djjamie]

Accountability for your actions 3-2-1

Of course criminals would call it anything but, because by holding accountability in high regard means they are responsible. All the traits the PTP shy from.

When the PM, the highest position in the land doesn't accept accountability and in fact tries to make 25335 corruption cases unaccountable as well it sends a strong message to the inarticulate uneducated 1 principle supporters that violence is acceptable. Why not? You won't be held accountable. The police chief is best friends with the unelectable, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist, convicted criminal fugitive.

So when chaos is spouted rest assured this is an understatement. When you have unaccountables that worship an unelected leader while ironically spewing the term democracy at every opportunity while brandishing an automatic weapon and a petrol container with an accused terrorist named Jatuporn screaming charge then chaos should be replaced with coup. The PM would have been legally removed and if the whole government are legally removed the red shirts will stage a coup to attempt to keep the illegal govt in power.

That is not democracy. Not 1/15th democracy and not 15/15th democracy.

Just like their absolute love for the 1992 coup this will again be a coup they cherish with the ex communist leader Thida who seems to change allegiances to where ever the money and power is by leading the fray with her husband Dr Weng by her side who has no qualms sending official letters to the UN threatening them and intimidating them.

So no. Chaos is wrong. It will be a coup.

Edited May 7, 2014 by djjamie

[h90]

still reading the verdict but getting closer now.

Not looking good for Poo.

Seems like they are publishing info to justify a negative ruling against her.

Hammering the nails in.

No they always explain it in detail, they could tell all negative and at the end finish with not guilty......

So don't celebrate too early....

Not celebrating.

But the dialog seems to point to things that would justify a guilty verdict... seems strange to go into those 'specific' details and give a 'not guilty' result... If they were going to go with the 'not guilty' I would assume they would be relating a different set of pointers in the case.

Really just trying to read it in a logical sense.

Yingluck took part many times in Thawil's transfer: court.

Transferring government officials must be according to moral principle: court cited Article 268 of the charter.

yes....it is looking worse and worse for Yingluck.....maybe it is OK to start celebrating a little bit...

[Roadman]

Well done the courts. Now deal to the rest of the Pheu Thai criminals the same way.

[h90]

Well done the courts. Now deal to the rest of the Pheu Thai criminals the same way.

it is not done yet....

[mrtoad]

Bye bye Yingluck

[Just1Voice]

Judicial coup 3-2-1

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT RED SHEEPLE PIGEON IN ! WHO ! WHO ! WHO ! WHO !

I find it amusing that all those who are anti-gov paint everyone with the "Red Sheeple" brush. Here in CNX I know quite a few Reds who are NOT fans of Thaksin, and have no desire to see him come back. My wife, and the majority of her family and friends feel that way. But I guess when you are a die hard YELLOW SHIRT, and a Suthep worshiping BKK "elitist" thinking moron who has never taken the time to actually engage in a real conversation with the average RS, that's easy to do.

I find it amusing that you're doing the very same thing - "all those who are anti-gov paint everyone...."

Have you ever taken the time to actually engage in a real conversation with an average anti-gov?

A lot of people don't approve of the government, but do not necessarily support Suthep or like him.

What's good for the goose....lol

And, in answer to your question, yes, I have, and have found most, though not all, rabid supporters of Suthep, who think he's the best thing since the cultivation of rice began. I find most of them more blighted and biased in their opinions than the average PDRC/Yellow Shirt/Suthepista than the average Red Shirt. I also realize there are some anti-gov protestors who don't like Suthep as a person. I try to be as neutral as I can, and both sides can irritate the hell out of me at times, but it just appears to me that the PDRC/Yellow faction are much faster in calling anyone who agrees with them as "Red Sheeple" than the RS are at calling them Yellow Shirts and Suthep worshipers.

[draftvader]

Good man I'd love to be there with you and buy you a few bears have fun

It is a common and innocent typo/spelling error but it is still one that makes me smile. Thank you for the image of a couple of men chilling out with some bears

[WoopyDoo]

RT @PravitR: Urgent! PM Yingluck found guilty of interfering in unjust removal of NSC chief Thawil! #Thailand 12.59 #ป

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/724193-thailand-live-wednesday-7-may-2014/page-3

They haven't even ruled yet...

This is just a generic tweet.

But they are piling up the evidence against her. So there is a good chance that there will be a guilty verdict. Now I would say 95% gone. Also seems they are using a lot of motioning that the entire cabinet are at fault.

Court is using terms like abuse of power and conflict of interest and "illegal" to describe govt manoeuvrings.

[bkkgooner]

I don't think this case has anything to do with a judicial coup at all, it is a pretty clear cut case of her abusing her power and to be so utterly blatant about it as well but to be honest I'm hoping they don't kick her out just do we don't have to listen to the whine of the red shirts.

[Morch]

WHO LET THE DOGS OUT RED SHEEPLE PIGEON IN ! WHO ! WHO ! WHO ! WHO !

I find it amusing that all those who are anti-gov paint everyone with the "Red Sheeple" brush. Here in CNX I know quite a few Reds who are NOT fans of Thaksin, and have no desire to see him come back. My wife, and the majority of her family and friends feel that way. But I guess when you are a die hard YELLOW SHIRT, and a Suthep worshiping BKK "elitist" thinking moron who has never taken the time to actually engage in a real conversation with the average RS, that's easy to do.

I find it amusing that you're doing the very same thing - "all those who are anti-gov paint everyone...."

Have you ever taken the time to actually engage in a real conversation with an average anti-gov?

A lot of people don't approve of the government, but do not necessarily support Suthep or like him.

What's good for the goose....lol

And, in answer to your question, yes, I have, and have found most, though not all, rabid supporters of Suthep, who think he's the best thing since the cultivation of rice began. I find most of them more blighted and biased in their opinions than the average PDRC/Yellow Shirt/Suthepista than the average Red Shirt. I also realize there are some anti-gov protestors who don't like Suthep as a person. I try to be as neutral as I can, and both sides can irritate the hell out of me at times, but it just appears to me that the PDRC/Yellow faction are much faster in calling anyone who agrees with them as "Red Sheeple" than the RS are at calling them Yellow Shirts and Suthep worshipers.

I think most people who actually attend demonstrations (Thais, that is) are "true believers", so talking with protestors of either side during a protest is kinda like having a theological debate during a sermon - not much chance for reason, and potentially unsafe.

Not engaging in name calling myself, but as far as I can tell, pretty much same same for supporters of both sides on this forum. Maybe exchange "sheeple" with "fascists", but not much to tell between them when it comes to basic courtesy.

Of course, Thais have got much richer slang at their disposal, and both anti/pro government supporters abuse it to the max.

[h90]

I don't think this case has anything to do with a judicial coup at all, it is a pretty clear cut case of her abusing her power and to be so utterly blatant about it as well but to be honest I'm hoping they don't kick her out just do we don't have to listen to the whine of the red shirts.

good that the court is explaining it in detail so even the most fanatic red shirts must understand that it is really abuse of power.

[WoopyDoo]

t was sound that Yingluck's transfer of Thawil, open ways for Wichean, then for Priewpan,a family member,to be rewarded police chief: court

The laws require that a police officer should be transferred to an outside position only with consent: court. However, Wichean said (Cont)

(Cont) Wichean said he intended to be police till his retirement but would follow his boss's order. Then his transfer was his boss's desire.

Constitutional Court: Unusual transfer of official benefited prime minister's relative.

Transferring Thawil, removing Wichean only to pave ways for Preophan nomination as police chief:Constituonal Court ruling now

Thai court: the transfer was done hurriedly,plausibly for a political gain, leading to Thaksin's bro-in-law being appointed nat police chief

Edited May 7, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[Morch]

Good man I'd love to be there with you and buy you a few bears have fun

It is a common and innocent typo/spelling error but it is still one that makes me smile. Thank you for the image of a couple of men chilling out with some bears

[Just1Voice]

Not defending anyone here, but even to an outsider it would be easy to say the courts are one-sided and biased. There are cases against PAD-Dems and their ilk that have been "pending" for months, and in some cases, years, with no action on them. Yet, anything connected to the Government, Thaksin or Red Shirts seems to be acted on immediately, usually with guilty verdicts.

I don't have a problem if the courts find Yingluck guilty and remove her, but for the sake of real justice, the courts might just TRY, for once, to be as quick to resolve cases and judgments against those who don;'t agree with PTP.

[WoopyDoo]

Not defending anyone here, but even to an outsider it would be easy to say the courts are one-sided and biased. There are cases against PAD-Dems and their ilk that have been "pending" for months, and in some cases, years, with no action on them. Yet, anything connected to the Government, Thaksin or Red Shirts seems to be acted on immediately, usually with guilty verdicts.

I don't have a problem if the courts find Yingluck guilty and remove her, but for the sake of real justice, the courts might just TRY, for once, to be as quick to resolve cases and judgments against those who don;'t agree with PTP.

The case has been going on since 2011.

The CC has already stipulated that it already has all the evidence and case reports from the supreme administration court.... That is why it is fast.

It is also in the countries best interests that infringements at the highest levels are given priority, and that delays other cases.

[rabas]

Just noticed the flag at the Constitutional Court has now been set at half mast.

[h90]

Not defending anyone here, but even to an outsider it would be easy to say the courts are one-sided and biased. There are cases against PAD-Dems and their ilk that have been "pending" for months, and in some cases, years, with no action on them. Yet, anything connected to the Government, Thaksin or Red Shirts seems to be acted on immediately, usually with guilty verdicts.

I don't have a problem if the courts find Yingluck guilty and remove her, but for the sake of real justice, the courts might just TRY, for once, to be as quick to resolve cases and judgments against those who don;'t agree with PTP.

What are PAD-Dems?

You know that there is no love between PAD and Democrats and the PAD told their supporters to NOT vote for the Democrats?

That case is since 2011, you can hardly call that a rush....

[tezzainoz]

Not defending anyone here, but even to an outsider it would be easy to say the courts are one-sided and biased. There are cases against PAD-Dems and their ilk that have been "pending" for months, and in some cases, years, with no action on them. Yet, anything connected to the Government, Thaksin or Red Shirts seems to be acted on immediately, usually with guilty verdicts.

I don't have a problem if the courts find Yingluck guilty and remove her, but for the sake of real justice, the courts might just TRY, for once, to be as quick to resolve cases and judgments against those who don;'t agree with PTP.

Courts can only proceed wit cases if the prosecutor has real evidence that will achieve a conviction

if this is not available they either give up or wait till they have this evidence

with this in mind, does it not tell you they not have the evidence to proceed with these case, but with Yingluck they do

Maybe just maybe the evidence does not exist so the case can not proceed

If you have the evidence tht the court does not

please show us here so we can send it to the courts on your behalf

[WoopyDoo]

It's official.

The CC have ruled the move UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

[h90]

Just noticed the flag at the Constitutional Court has now been set at half mast.

Really?

What does that mean?

[h90]

Aim_The Nation ‏@Aim_NT 40s

Ruling: Article 182 (7) Yingluck's ministerial position ended individually because of that conduct.

[george and dragon]

Breaking news on Aljazeera, "Guilty".

[GaryB1263]

She has stepped down

[Thailand]

Chiang Rai?

[Stradavarius37]

CC just dropped the hammer on Yingluck - I hear the crying in Dubai!

[h90]

Breaking news on Aljazeera, "Guilty".

but who goes together with her?

[george and dragon]

Breaking news on Aljazeera, "Guilty".

but who goes together with her?

It's not looking good for any of the cabinet, they are about to rule on that too...

[WoopyDoo]

Yingluck cannot stay in her caretaker PM's post: court.

I dare you to refuse to accept this ruling... I double dog dare you!!!!

Looks like my modesty will remain intact on Walking St come Saturday.

Now the most important part.... what about the cabinet?

Chalerm PM by 4pm??????

Edited May 7, 2014 by WoopyDoo

[h90]

Breaking news on Aljazeera, "Guilty".

but who goes together with her?

It's not looking good for any of the cabinet, they are about to rule on that too...

And the new PM is Chalerm.....I hope not....