Thai 'Red Shirts' warn of civil war if government falls

[tezzainoz]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yes they should have removed the treasonous Suthep & his hired violent mob long ago.

So we know know by there posting who are against a fair new election and a more democratic Thailand

Just another name added to the list

[rubl]

Typical for certain people. Warn of a civil war if what we don't want happens. Did k. Jatuporn also add "don't blame me when we are forced to start a civil war. It will all be the others fault." ?

[tezzainoz]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yup.

Stepping in and aiding in the arrest of Suthep, while cleaning their thugs off the street would be most welcome by everyone.

Elections take place and let the people democratically vote in their leaders.

You can not use the word everyone where there are thousands of protestors out their

So you have prove you posting a total lie before you even get to the last word

Everyone means 100%

Edited May 10, 2014 by tezzainoz

[rubl]

blanked on purpose, duplicate post, Excuses

Edited May 10, 2014 by rubl

[coma]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

The majority of the population want their democratic vote, after having it stripped from them.... again... Because they just won't vote in the 'correct' people, d@mn them.

I would like to see an election where only people that pay taxes, eligible students and senior citizens get to vote. The results would be astounding I'm sure.

[jcb2001]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yup.

Stepping in and aiding in the arrest of Suthep, while cleaning their thugs off the street would be most welcome by everyone.

Elections take place and let the people democratically vote in their leaders.

What makes you think that elections now would be democratic?

[Fat Haggis]

Tezza you conveniently forgot about the civil right to vote without being impeded or obstructed from doing so

[sweatalot]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yup.

Stepping in and aiding in the arrest of Suthep, while cleaning their thugs off the street would be most welcome by everyone.

Elections take place and let the people democratically vote in their leaders.

Stepping in and aiding in the arrest of Suthep, while cleaning their thugs off the street would be most welcome by everyone.

I heavily doubt this

[tezzainoz]

Is it any wonder the reds are angry.

Yellow shirts agenda is keep the reds down, they dont like the future with the reds having more money and more education, the yellows are elitist and will do anything to keep the reds in poverty, or let me say the majority Issan reds.

civil war???

strong reds v mamby pamby yellow white faces

My family have lived in a red village for 5 years

and they think you are total BS in posting

My Thai wife has a Masters degree and owns 2 businesses, she is now looking a buying a house in Hua Hin

That sort of bursts your bubble doesn't it

[Scamper]

" The Red Shirts cannot accept the undemocratic and unconstitutional appointment of a prime minister," said chairman Jatuporn Prompan "

Then it's clear from this that he can't accept who Pheu Thai has chosen out of half a cabinet, for that was not through constitutional means. If Jatuporn is really serious about the constitution ( and he isn't ) he should know that a prime minister can only be constitutionally elected through a quorum-filled parliament, or through the Senate in the event of a quorum-less parliament. That's it, Jatuporn. Period. And Jatuporn is opposed to the later option taking effect, even though it is within the bounds of the constitution. The second thing is - isn't calling for a civil war throughout the country a breach of his bail conditions ?

[sweatalot]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yes they should have removed the treasonous Suthep & his hired violent mob long ago.

Can you please substantiate and compare with the red shirts (I avoid words like mob or thugs)

[tezzainoz]

These repeated warnings of dire consequences from the red shirts have a whiff of desperation about them. They are in a corner and seem to know this. They have lost the battle of numbers because their core support is not motivated and seems divided. The momentum and the passion is with the other side. If the army took over tomorrow i doubt there would be much more than a few squeals. Time will tell i suppose.

Desperation or determination..................... to hang to their right to vote?

I have not read of any one who does not want the right to vote

But I know many who want to vote under a Fair Voting system

so please tell us are you for or against a fairer system than what PTP have now

[sweatalot]

Thai 'Red Shirts' warn of civil war if government falls

I understand the correct wording should be

Red Shirts threaten with civil war

[jcb2001]

Finally those 2 words. Not a great show for this country in the short or long term. With ASEAN kicking off next year the last thing Thailand needs is to be stuck in the midst of a civil war. As ASEAN start to promote themselves around the world everybody will look at the other countries first, industry will move and Thailand might just discover that the world outside its borders has a far greater effect on it than it sometimes cares to believe.

This is exactly why Thaksin wants Thailand. ASEAN is going to change SE Asia and bring many opportunities to the represented countries here. Thaksin sees big money ahead, and he wants his hands on it. He could give a rats ass about improving Thailand as a whole. He is only thinking of how rich he'll become. I really believe he has planned this over the past 10 or more years. I also believe he will manipulate everything to his favor of becoming "President for Life". Therefore, Thaksin will not loose, as he has previously stated. If he can't have it, then he will destroy it. God help the Thai people.

[Mango Bob]

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coma, on 10 May 2014 - 18:29, said:

Som wat, on 10 May 2014 - 18:07, said:

Crushdepth, on 10 May 2014 - 18:05, said:

Hulkster, on 10 May 2014 - 18:00, said:

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

The majority of the population want their democratic vote, after having it stripped from them.... again... Because they just won't vote in the 'correct' people, d@mn them. alt=rolleyes.gif>

I would like to see an election where only people that pay taxes, eligible students and senior citizens get to vote. The results would be astounding I'm sure.

If they did that in your country you would never have the right to vote.

[Fat Haggis]

Tezza you're one of the most contradictive posters here you have frequently used the words majority, how do you come to that conclusion or does the wife tell you as it seems she spoon feeds you what she wants you to hear quite a lot

Now to my next point do you actually have a vote in Thailand ? If not don't speak on any other Thai that's not on your family's behalf as your views are not shared by tens of millions of Thais who WANT to vote according to their civil rights!!!

Stop jumping on peoples posts when your just as guilty !!

[MaxLee]

""The Red Shirts cannot accept the undemocratic and unconstitutional appointment of a prime minister," said chairman Jatuporn Prompan, denouncing a call by the opposition for judges, the Senate president and other prominent figures to choose a new premier."

I tell you what we and any other human being with common sense cannot accept:

We cannot accept your arrogant stance of your fellow redshirt supporters who would celebrate the bombing deaths of many innocent people AND children and the mourning parents, who wanted to see their children grow up and live a normal life, and just for what the reddies see as ThaksinDemoocracy

.... we cannot accept your indifference about the rice pledging scheme and the suffering farmers, who went through hell to crop the very food that is your every day staple, as if the farmers aka former fellow supporters are just a piece of trash, so you can enjoy getting paid by Thaksin's blood money at their expense.

[rabas]

Jutaporn might die of lead poisoning, or some such other unfortunate ailment in the forseeable future-

Most likely spontaneous combustion.

[Thaiisnotrequired]

Holding aloft portraits of Yingluck, the red-clad movement said it would keep up the protest for as long as it deemed necessary to defend the wounded administration.

"The Red Shirts cannot accept the undemocratic and unconstitutional appointment of a prime minister," said chairman Jatuporn Prompan, denouncing a call by the opposition for judges, the Senate president and other prominent figures to choose a new premier.

"It would be the beginning of a disaster for the country that will lead to civil war," he said.

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Jatuporn should be arrested immediately for breach of bail conditions! He is also 'inciting' war, and that is a threat to National Security - another arrestable warrant should be carried as an indictment for that alone.

"for as long as it deemed necessary to defend the wounded administration."

The admin is not wounded, it is no longer and has been removed - full stop/period.. wounded not all... "It has ceased to be. This parrot is dead!"

Unbelievable statements from the red idiot.. and he should be locked up right now.... before he really incites fighting at the street level...!!

[Just1Voice]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

The majority of the population want their democratic vote, after having it stripped from them.... again... Because they just won't vote in the 'correct' people, d@mn them.

I would like to see an election where only people that pay taxes, eligible students and senior citizens get to vote. The results would be astounding I'm sure.

So, you would completely ignore and disenfranchise the millions of rice farmers, tuk-tuk and taxi drivers, the millions of street vendors and mom & pop businesses who pay little to no tax, and who never had the opportunity to get a higher education? In other words, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Thai citizens. Seems like I heard something like this a few years ago. Only those with a Bachelor's Degree could vote. Oh, yeah. PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul. You related to him by any chance?

[englishoak]

Civil unrest is almost a certainty if there is no election this time, you take away peoples voice they only have direct action left. Mores the pity.

ASEAN is going to catch a lot here blind side, foreign investment WILL go elsewhere and Teflon Thailand may just find itself bypassed, in the past most of SE Asia was a closed door and Thailand reaped the rewards, this time its very different. Then again those with the money here really couldnt give a rats if half the country starves as long as they are in control.

Bottom line, no one that really matters here gives a hoot about the country at all, just their coloured version of it that they want for their own personal gain.

[Soutpeel]

Jutaporn might die of lead poisoning, or some such other unfortunate ailment in the forseeable future-

Most likely spontaneous combustion.

An unfortunate accident with a box of matches and a bottle of petrol, will be his undoing me thinks

[h90]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

whenever I think Suthep is over the top, the Thaksin and his underlings (here Jatuporn) proof that Suthep is absolute right....

[newcomer71]

So Jatuporn is now officially threatening the security of the state by promising a civil war. Isn't it time for the army to step in and protect the state, as they are sworn to do?

Yes they should have removed the treasonous Suthep & his hired violent mob long ago.

So we know know by there posting who are against a fair new election and a more democratic Thailand

Just another name added to the list

We who? You are making YOUR supposition, and you should speak for yourself.

[citizen33]

These repeated warnings of dire consequences from the red shirts have a whiff of desperation about them. They are in a corner and seem to know this. They have lost the battle of numbers because their core support is not motivated and seems divided. The momentum and the passion is with the other side. If the army took over tomorrow i doubt there would be much more than a few squeals. Time will tell i suppose.

Desperation or determination..................... to hang to their right to vote?

I have not read of any one who does not want the right to vote

But I know many who want to vote under a Fair Voting system

so please tell us are you for or against a fairer system than what PTP have now

The point many of us have made repeatedly (with citations) is that academic research shows that vote buying has not been a key factor in determining recent Thai general election results. The latest study - admittedly by a fairly junior researcher - corroborates that finding.

http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2014/05/01/electoral-integrity-in-thailand/

The senior Democrat politician Korn is also on record as saying that vote buying no longer determines election results and that indeed in the last valid election his party spent more on vote buying than did PT.

So what is the problem the reforms are designed to fix? If there is no vote buying problem, then what can be changed which would make PTP less likely to win? Perhaps, for instance, it is about the kinds of (populist) policies a party is allowed to put forward or the qualifications of the voters. What worries me is that reform actually means bending the rules to achieve a change in power.

I notice that you say your family lived in a red village, without indicating that that included yourself. In the past I too lived in what is effectively a red village in central Isaan full time for 15 months, although at present I do so for only a couple of months per year. All I can say is that our views seem very different.

[h90]

I think it will infuriate more then the supporters of Yingluck and Thaksin. There are plenty of "normal" everyday citizens in Thailand that want to vote for their leader. AKA a democracy.

Yes and they can, where is the problem?

Suthep want reforms and than immediately ELECTIONS. I think elections is that where you vote.

Beside in Thailand you don't vote for your leader (like in USA) you vote for parties and the parliament chooses the leader.

Edited May 10, 2014 by h90

[Thaiisnotrequired]

" The Red Shirts cannot accept the undemocratic and unconstitutional appointment of a prime minister," said chairman Jatuporn Prompan "

Then it's clear from this that he can't accept who Pheu Thai has chosen out of half a cabinet, for that was not through constitutional means. If Jatuporn is really serious about the constitution ( and he isn't ) he should know that a prime minister can only be constitutionally elected through a quorum-filled parliament, or through the Senate in the event of a quorum-less parliament. That's it, Jatuporn. Period. And Jatuporn is opposed to the later option taking effect, even though it is within the bounds of the constitution. The second thing is - isn't calling for a civil war throughout the country a breach of his bail conditions ?

Latter question...? I just quoted the same thing... The powers that be need to latch onto this, and close him off for once and for all.

Loose canon? Jatuporn? He's beyond that,... he is a threat to the whole Thai establishment in his total lack of political knowldege. He sees an image/ an icon, and he believes it as long as it lines his pockets.... He is not a politician... he is a war mongering red shirt, with no agenda apart from enjoying to bring it on.

However, he's gone too far now.. So let's hope those with some logic at the top take advantage of his thick innuendos which are indeed a breach of his current bail conditions! Good riddance, if anybody at the top can really see the light shining on this poor example of a Thai human being.

[newcomer71]

Is it any wonder the reds are angry.

Yellow shirts agenda is keep the reds down, they dont like the future with the reds having more money and more education, the yellows are elitist and will do anything to keep the reds in poverty, or let me say the majority Issan reds.

civil war???

strong reds v mamby pamby yellow white faces

My family have lived in a red village for 5 years

and they think you are total BS in posting

My Thai wife has a Masters degree and owns 2 businesses, she is now looking a buying a house in Hua Hin

That sort of bursts your bubble doesn't it

Tezzainoz, allow me please. You have been told already, your wife and her family does not correspond to all Esaan people or all Thailand.

You are lucky to have a reasonable wife and family, but most of the people that is deep red, won't let Suthep pass it.

I really hope civil war won't be the final solution, but nothing will have to be excluded.

[rubl]

The majority of the population want their democratic vote, after having it stripped from them.... again... Because they just won't vote in the 'correct' people, d@mn them.

I would like to see an election where only people that pay taxes, eligible students and senior citizens get to vote. The results would be astounding I'm sure.

Hardly 150 years ago it did work similar in Europe. Only those paying tax were allowed to vote. Obviously taxpayers had a personal stake in government as they paid tax. Of course women were not allowed to vote in those days.

[Phatcharanan]

If it takes a civil war for the majority of the population to retain their civil rights then so be it.

The majority of the population do not want a civil war. Just a few nuts who are mostly on Thaksin's payroll.

And not forgetting a few nuts on here who also relish that thought.