UDD Skeptical of Army's Stance On Interim PM

[templedog]

Someone needs to have a word with him about wardrobe/fashion sense. He looks like a country/western , oke bar singer

true, its odd for our western sensibilities. but he has strong appeal to the common thai man. they love this type of character

And so did the Americans of the same ilk who loved George W. Bush.....get it, Moonao?

Just love the way you connected those dots. Well done. A golden star for you.

Connecting dots. Ah, yes, those lovely "dots". One needs to have a sense of history to see how political affairs transpire. Hey, Moonao, it's so obvious that you are aligned with the Thaksin camp, is it wrong for someone to connect your dots? Are you saying that there are no similarities with the Thaksin movement in Thailand and the GWB movement in America? If you are, let's debate that.....right now.

[Publicus]

true, its odd for our western sensibilities. but he has strong appeal to the common thai man. they love this type of character

And so did the Americans of the same ilk who loved George W. Bush.....get it, Moonao?

Just love the way you connected those dots. Well done. A golden star for you.

Connecting dots. Ah, yes, those lovely "dots". One needs to have a sense of history to see how political affairs transpire. Hey, Moonao, it's so obvious that you are aligned with the Thaksin camp, is it wrong for someone to connect your dots? Are you saying that there are no similarities with the Thaksin movement in Thailand and the GWB movement in America? If you are, let's debate that.....right now.

GWB aka Dumbya is history, passe' and you are a belligerent cuss who wants to go racing off topic and off his leash.

Chill. This is a forum. It's not a WWF slamdown. I think you got off the bus at the wrong stop. Try to retrace your steps to see if you can find your composure.

[bigbamboo]

Someone needs to have a word with him about wardrobe/fashion sense. He looks like a country/western , oke bar singer

He's a wealthy, elite redshirt. You can't expect him to dress like the common man.

[kimamey]

So Prayuth is whinging that the Army are the victims of 2010.

Just left me as speechless as the 99 who were left speechless that day too at whos hands?

To be fair only a few of the cases have been investigated but in those the army are the perpetrators not the victims but they are being protected by the government Jutaporn and his followers support.

[kimamey]

Someone needs to have a word with him about wardrobe/fashion sense. He looks like a country/western , oke bar singer

With the defamation laws in this country I'd be very careful if I were you. Comparing him to Liberace may be OK (Liberace and his fans might not be so pleased) but suggesting he's like a country and western singer might be too much to take.

[casualbiker]

Thai traditional silk attire is aesthetic in its design and appealing to the eye, to include color scheme and accessories. One doesn't have to be Thai to appreciate the fact. A number of fahlang enjoy the various Thai festivals in many respects, clothing styles being prominent among them.

Political views are one thing, but the inability and/or unwillingness to acknowledge certain cultural virtues of a civilization strongly suggest the presence of philistines.

Yes Liberace was ahead of his time and so many rudimentary types here are behind the present time - or it is simply that their inherently myopic ethnocentric time has already passed.

In the United States the many ethnicities have for two centuries held their traditional festivals in their neighborhoods or throughout their cities so the richness of the tapestry of world cultures is continually on display, often each weekend during summer months. It's an enriching experience and it's a treat actually be in a country where traditional attire is both so exquisite and regularly on display.

Politics aside.

Possibly. BUT Jataporn is wearing Issan style clothes to please the crowd.

Even though he and all of the top leaders in the UDD are from the South or central area of Thailand .. even the chief financier is from Chiang Mai (or Lanna Republic as they now like to call it)

So no Issan representation in the UDD leadership ... strange really!

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[Arkady]

Seems Jatuporn is scared of something.

"He [General Prayuth] reportedly added, "Don't accuse the military of bias ... they should see who has done what in the past, like what happened in the 2010 [Redshirt mass protests]. Why don't they talk about that? The military was deployed to restore order, but we end up being victimised. Please give us some fairness.""

... like what happened in 2010... There. Twas when tough guy Jatuporn told the redshirt supporters at a mass meeting to each bring a bottle of oil and burn Bangkok. Later we had burning buildings, shootings and bombings. There is the reason why Jatuporn fears the near future. Another reservation for Dubai coming.

Lock up the rats, make the world a better place.

It's all a bit odd really. In 2010 in the cases so far investigated the army killed people who posed no threat and so disobeyed orders. Some of those were redshirts and some weren't. Now Jutaporn's concern is whether the General might accept a job as a non partisan PM rather than the fact that the party he supports is protecting the army.

The army had immunity under the Emergency Act in 2010.

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[Publicus]

Thai traditional silk attire is aesthetic in its design and appealing to the eye, to include color scheme and accessories. One doesn't have to be Thai to appreciate the fact. A number of fahlang enjoy the various Thai festivals in many respects, clothing styles being prominent among them.

Political views are one thing, but the inability and/or unwillingness to acknowledge certain cultural virtues of a civilization strongly suggest the presence of philistines.

Yes Liberace was ahead of his time and so many rudimentary types here are behind the present time - or it is simply that their inherently myopic ethnocentric time has already passed.

In the United States the many ethnicities have for two centuries held their traditional festivals in their neighborhoods or throughout their cities so the richness of the tapestry of world cultures is continually on display, often each weekend during summer months. It's an enriching experience and it's a treat actually be in a country where traditional attire is both so exquisite and regularly on display.

Politics aside.

Possibly. BUT Jataporn is wearing Issan style clothes to please the crowd.

Even though he and all of the top leaders in the UDD are from the South or central area of Thailand .. even the chief financier is from Chiang Mai (or Lanna Republic as they now like to call it)

So no Issan representation in the UDD leadership ... strange really!

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No "Issan representation" on the CC either.....or the EC.....one could go on.

Still, it's clear who does represent Issan - still.

[anteater]

Well you can insult his wardrobe sense all you like, but that just shows your failure to understand Thai culture.

Thai culture is different, and Thais like things we don't; and vice versa.

I happen to think this guy is great. He is one of the few in Thailand who has the guts to stand up to the establishment.

He and the redshirts are the only reason that there hasn't been a coup to support the fascists.

The Army (and establishment cronies), which would normally have had a coup by now, is holding back because they know that if they do have a coup and install the usual type of unelected conservative ruler, the redshirts will erupt.

[FangFerang]

Someone needs to have a word with him about wardrobe/fashion sense. He looks like a country/western , oke bar singer

true, its odd for our western sensibilities. but he has strong appeal to the common thai man. they love this type of character

How do you know it has strong appeal? I don't doubt you, but I would like to see the evidence as I don't see any Thai's dressed as cowboy's in Phuket.

I had a grandson in Afghanistan and he said that the below person used to wear cowboy hats in Pakistan as well? Not sure why, but did that have a lot of appeal with his peers too?

Fashion clashing? What drivel,,,,,

[kimamey]

Seems Jatuporn is scared of something.

"He [General Prayuth] reportedly added, "Don't accuse the military of bias ... they should see who has done what in the past, like what happened in the 2010 [Redshirt mass protests]. Why don't they talk about that? The military was deployed to restore order, but we end up being victimised. Please give us some fairness.""

... like what happened in 2010... There. Twas when tough guy Jatuporn told the redshirt supporters at a mass meeting to each bring a bottle of oil and burn Bangkok. Later we had burning buildings, shootings and bombings. There is the reason why Jatuporn fears the near future. Another reservation for Dubai coming.

Lock up the rats, make the world a better place.

It's all a bit odd really. In 2010 in the cases so far investigated the army killed people who posed no threat and so disobeyed orders. Some of those were redshirts and some weren't. Now Jutaporn's concern is whether the General might accept a job as a non partisan PM rather than the fact that the party he supports is protecting the army.

The army had immunity under the Emergency Act in 2010.

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There was immunity given in the Emergency Decree on Public Administration in State of Emergency, BE 2548 (2005) but the relevant section 17 says :

The competent authorities under this Emergency Decree or persons invested with the same authority as

them shall incur no civil, criminal or disciplinary liability for their performance of duties to suppress or

prevent any unlawful act, if such performance is rendered in good faith, does not give rise to discrimination

and does not exceed the reasonability or necessity of the circumstances, without prejudice to the right of the

victims to claim damages from the public sector pursuant to the law on tortious liability of authorities.

Not all the cases have been investigated yet, I don't know what's happening there but in those that have the deviation from the SOE would not seem to be in good faith. There may be other reasons for their actions like lack of training for the type of operation they were conducting but without investigation there's no way to find out.

Tarit never mentioned the immunity as far as I know just that they wouldn't be investigated and would be called as witnesses. Maybe that's because although Abhisit put the emergency decree into place it was originally signed by Thaksin but as I say it doesn't seem to cover the actions taken anyway.

Maybe they were worried the army might take over although many on here say they can't as they don't have the support.

It's also odd the Democrats haven't brought this up since Abhisit and Suthep seem to be getting all the blame but perhaps they are waiting until the trial to use this.

The redshirt leadership at least must know about this which is why I mentioned it as they seem not to be concerned about the lack of justice that was promised by the government.

[casualbiker]

Thai traditional silk attire is aesthetic in its design and appealing to the eye, to include color scheme and accessories. One doesn't have to be Thai to appreciate the fact. A number of fahlang enjoy the various Thai festivals in many respects, clothing styles being prominent among them.

Political views are one thing, but the inability and/or unwillingness to acknowledge certain cultural virtues of a civilization strongly suggest the presence of philistines.

Yes Liberace was ahead of his time and so many rudimentary types here are behind the present time - or it is simply that their inherently myopic ethnocentric time has already passed.

In the United States the many ethnicities have for two centuries held their traditional festivals in their neighborhoods or throughout their cities so the richness of the tapestry of world cultures is continually on display, often each weekend during summer months. It's an enriching experience and it's a treat actually be in a country where traditional attire is both so exquisite and regularly on display.

Politics aside.

Possibly. BUT Jataporn is wearing Issan style clothes to please the crowd.

Even though he and all of the top leaders in the UDD are from the South or central area of Thailand .. even the chief financier is from Chiang Mai (or Lanna Republic as they now like to call it)

So no Issan representation in the UDD leadership ... strange really!

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No "Issan representation" on the CC either.....or the EC.....one could go on.

Still, it's clear who does represent Issan - still.

Who? You can't possibly mean the UDD!

I think you missed the point ...

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[Arkady]

Seems Jatuporn is scared of something.

"He [General Prayuth] reportedly added, "Don't accuse the military of bias ... they should see who has done what in the past, like what happened in the 2010 [Redshirt mass protests]. Why don't they talk about that? The military was deployed to restore order, but we end up being victimised. Please give us some fairness.""

... like what happened in 2010... There. Twas when tough guy Jatuporn told the redshirt supporters at a mass meeting to each bring a bottle of oil and burn Bangkok. Later we had burning buildings, shootings and bombings. There is the reason why Jatuporn fears the near future. Another reservation for Dubai coming.

Lock up the rats, make the world a better place.

It's all a bit odd really. In 2010 in the cases so far investigated the army killed people who posed no threat and so disobeyed orders. Some of those were redshirts and some weren't. Now Jutaporn's concern is whether the General might accept a job as a non partisan PM rather than the fact that the party he supports is protecting the army.

The army had immunity under the Emergency Act in 2010.

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There was immunity given in the Emergency Decree on Public Administration in State of Emergency, BE 2548 (2005) but the relevant section 17 says :

The competent authorities under this Emergency Decree or persons invested with the same authority as

them shall incur no civil, criminal or disciplinary liability for their performance of duties to suppress or

prevent any unlawful act, if such performance is rendered in good faith, does not give rise to discrimination

and does not exceed the reasonability or necessity of the circumstances, without prejudice to the right of the

victims to claim damages from the public sector pursuant to the law on tortious liability of authorities.

Not all the cases have been investigated yet, I don't know what's happening there but in those that have the deviation from the SOE would not seem to be in good faith. There may be other reasons for their actions like lack of training for the type of operation they were conducting but without investigation there's no way to find out.

Tarit never mentioned the immunity as far as I know just that they wouldn't be investigated and would be called as witnesses. Maybe that's because although Abhisit put the emergency decree into place it was originally signed by Thaksin but as I say it doesn't seem to cover the actions taken anyway.

Maybe they were worried the army might take over although many on here say they can't as they don't have the support.

It's also odd the Democrats haven't brought this up since Abhisit and Suthep seem to be getting all the blame but perhaps they are waiting until the trial to use this.

The redshirt leadership at least must know about this which is why I mentioned it as they seem not to be concerned about the lack of justice that was promised by the government.

Good points. In the South there have been no known cases brought against the military for their actions under the EM even tho there must be countless cases where reasonableness was questionable and discrimination likely.

However. Coroner type rulings on red shirt deaths blamed the army in several instances which more militant red shirts no doubt pushed to exploit in the form of law suits against the military but this must have been vetoed by Thansin and Yingluck who wanted to protect the military and focus the law suits on Abhisit an Suthep who were not protected by the EM. However, the charges against against those two require proof that they intended to kill named individuals which is along shot. It might actually be easier to convict military officers for over reaction, eg at Wat Patumwan which looks like a flagrant case.

Not only did Yingluck protect the military from any legal action over this but also over egregious corruption scandals like the dousing rods.

Obviously Abhisit and Suthep wouldn't want to pass blame to the military for the 2010 deaths either and anyway they know the murder charges against them are a long shot.

Apart from protecting the military The PT govt tried to amnesty Abhisit and Suthep. So retribution for 2010 can be viewed as a strictly red shirt issue with no priory attached by PT.

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[Eric Loh]

About time someone stood up to the military. What mades them an abitrator of politics as happened 18 times over. Be a professional military man and leave politics to the politicians.