Thai water scheme firms accept NCPO delay

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Water scheme firms accept NCPO delay
The Nation

Builders say they realise some project will go ahead after junta reviews scheme

BANGKOK: -- THAI and foreign contractors picked to work on the Bt350-billion flood and water management scheme set up by the ousted Yingluck government say the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO)'s decision to put the project on hold is a positive move.

The decision is not regarded as a permanent termination of the scheme, and the contractors have expressed hope it will continue.

They ruled out filing lawsuits against the junta seeking compensation, as no deals had been penned.

The NCPO reportedly issued an order to suspend the scheme to all relevant government agencies last Friday, but the authenticity of the order was questioned.

However, NCPO official Colonel Weerathat Srisai said yesterday the decision was authentic and the scheme had been put on hold - but not terminated.

A project manager for Italian Thai Development Plc, Sakulchai Phattharakamphol, said around Bt100 million had been spent on research and surveys, but it was |not possible for the company to demand the money back through lawsuits because nothing had been signed.

He viewed the NCPO's decision as a positive as only necessary projects would now be implemented by government agencies with a budget no greater than Bt100 billion.

He said large-scale contractors expected other mega projects cited by the junta such as double rail tracks to continue, and be processed via normal bidding steps - unlike the flood and water management scheme, which was processed through a special, shorter procedure.

A director with South Korean-based K Water (Thailand) Co Ltd,

Monthol Phanuphokhin, said the company was ready to compete in a new bidding for the scheme if one was called.

The director-general of the Royal Irrigation Department, Lertwiroj Kowattana, said he had received the order before Weeratchat's statement yesterday but he was not sure about the size of individual projects under scheme that would go ahead.

He said the RID was planning to propose around 1,000 medium- and small-sized projects for the NCPO's consideration.

An important project to be continued immediately is flood prevention works in the country's East, which was heavily inundated last year.

A senior Engineering Institute of Thailand figure under HM The King's patronage, Suwatana Chittaladakorn, said the NCPO's decision was good as the EIT had opposed the scheme.

Suwatana said useful projects under the scheme should continue in a more careful manner.

Some projects in the East aimed at alleviating flooding were impossible in engineering terms.

The EIT will hold a seminar on the scheme on Wednesday at its headquarters in Ramkhamhaeng Soi 39 in Bangkok.


-- The Nation 2014-06-09

[Chao Lao Beach]

He viewed the NCPO's decision as a positive as only necessary projects would now be implemented by government agencies with a budget no greater than Bt100 billion.

He said large-scale contractors expected other mega projects cited by the junta such as double rail tracks to continue, and be processed via normal bidding steps - unlike the flood and water management scheme, which was processed through a special, shorter procedure.

I bet some are annoyed that the alleged bribes that were needed have eventually failed. I don't know why there are not more dams to help control water in Thailand, every year there is a drought and a flood. surely there has to be some money to skim off the table there too.

[BSJ]

He viewed the NCPO's decision as a positive as only necessary projects would now be implemented by government agencies with a budget no greater than Bt100 billion.

He said large-scale contractors expected other mega projects cited by the junta such as double rail tracks to continue, and be processed via normal bidding steps - unlike the flood and water management scheme, which was processed through a special, shorter procedure.

I bet some are annoyed that the alleged bribes that were needed have eventually failed. I don't know why there are not more dams to help control water in Thailand, every year there is a drought and a flood. surely there has to be some money to skim off the table there too.

It makes me wonder why there isn't a huge holding basin North of Ayutthaya. A huge dam with the sole purpose of collection water in the rainy season to be released slowly in the dry season. Crikey, maybe the water could be used in an irrigation project somewhere!

[worgeordie]

Water scheme firms accept NPCO delay,! as if they had a choice,

maybe it would have turned out like that other great water scheme,

the water treatment plant,that was riddled with corruption,and cost

the country billions of Bht.,and like other corrupt projects is unfinished

and unused.

regards worgeordie

[wandasloan]

Water scheme firms accept NPCO delay,! as if they had a choice,

Yes. On the other hand, it's a great day for the National Hypocrite Watching Society.

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

Two: Will the huge crowds opposed to corruption in government programmes be watching this one closely, ready to expose the early signs of graft that were likely under an elected, civilian government and now are absolutely certain under an unelected regime?

.

[chainarong]

The NCPO has called for a review of projects ,the water firms can like it or lump it, the NCPO is calling the shots not the PTP.

[Chris Lawrence]

So they take them to court. Who is running the courts? The military; outcome go to goal directly to goal and dont collect 200.

One of the most important jobs to be done and put on the back-burner. Why?

Abhisit did the same?

If another flood happens like 2011, what is the cost to business' and reputation? The rice scheme would be a drop in the bucket compared to the financial losses that could occur by not going thru with this work.

[lomatopo]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

[Eric Loh]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

[Baerboxer]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

Unfortunately the way Thaksin and Yingluck got things done leads to issues - ignoring the law, ignoring EIA requirements, avoiding transparency, not following budget rules, not selecting qualified suppliers, etc etc etc.

Their record is more like launching projects and awarding contracts to contractors based on top secret criteria and then being found out for not doing anything correctly. Decisions taken by political cronies rather than experts.

Perhaps you can tell us all where the emergency budget that was spent after the 2011 floods went? No one seems to know.

Still, Dr.Thaksin had a nice visit to K Water judging by the photo and welcome banner. Now, tell me again, why would a bona fide company want to talk to a convicted criminal fraudster fugitive who can't actually go back to his country as he's an outstanding conviction and 15 outstanding court cases waiting? Oh yes, his sister was the PM. But, why would the PM allow a criminal to represent her country and negotiate contracts he has no subject matter expertise on its behalf? Little strange don't you think? Or was he only representing Shin family interests?

[wandasloan]

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

This isn't to pick on your post, on the contrary, it's excellent. But your last sentence: How many times is it to be reviewed? And is the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters really the perfect final review board? Really? Because?

Yes, I agree, it is really cute how many posters find the RTA competent and pure. But come on, how naive do you have to be to think that the army bean-counters are the most competent judges of water-management in Thai history? Even in techniques of skimming the non-liquid assets of such projects, there are better people. So how many reviews, by how many different offices?

Unfortunately the way Thaksin and Yingluck got things done leads to issues - ignoring the law, ignoring EIA requirements, avoiding transparency, not following budget rules, not selecting qualified suppliers, etc etc etc.

Their record is more like launching projects and awarding contracts to contractors based on top secret criteria and then being found out for not doing anything correctly. Decisions taken by political cronies rather than experts.

It seems to have escaped your notice that Dr Thaksin and Ms Thaksinsister are not in the loop any longer. Yes, yes Satan and Satan's spawn were really, really bad and horrible and stuff, we know they were terrible yadda yadda.

It's June, 2014. What's to be done about water management? In your opinion of course. Are the old plans any good? If so, why review them? Are there new plans? Good, let's see them.

But what is this stuff about the 147th review, to be done by army bean-counters? Today. Not involving the Voldemort twins? What do you think about that? I think it's not even credible.

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Edited June 9, 2014 by wandasloan

[Estrada]

The disastrous floods in 2011 were a direct result of the suspension of the flood prevention projects that were cancelled as a result of the 2006 Coup. It is an urgent priority to construct a bypass river/flood way to divert excess rainwater around Bangkok to the sea. In addition the Yom River Dam, which was also part of the already approved King's plan, should have been constructed. If the 2014 coup prevents these projects being constructed then there is a very strong risk of being flooded again.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Estrada

[robblok]

Water scheme firms accept NPCO delay,! as if they had a choice,

Yes. On the other hand, it's a great day for the National Hypocrite Watching Society.

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

Two: Will the huge crowds opposed to corruption in government programmes be watching this one closely, ready to expose the early signs of graft that were likely under an elected, civilian government and now are absolutely certain under an unelected regime?

.

I know I was not against a water management scheme, I guess almost nobody is as I got flooded last time. I am however against how it was setup. Lets see if the Junta does it better. The thing that i saw from the Junta was that they put someone with knowledge on top of it from the royal irrigation bureau. No such thing was done by the PTP it was nepotism all around.

The best thing would be (not for your side of course) if the companies came out and told about the bribes they paid. Or get the bribes back from the previous government. Would be so nice to see more then a few PTP in jail.

[robblok]

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

This isn't to pick on your post, on the contrary, it's excellent. But your last sentence: How many times is it to be reviewed? And is the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters really the perfect final review board? Really? Because?

Yes, I agree, it is really cute how many posters find the RTA competent and pure. But come on, how naive do you have to be to think that the army bean-counters are the most competent judges of water-management in Thai history? Even in techniques of skimming the non-liquid assets of such projects, there are better people. So how many reviews, by how many different offices?

Unfortunately the way Thaksin and Yingluck got things done leads to issues - ignoring the law, ignoring EIA requirements, avoiding transparency, not following budget rules, not selecting qualified suppliers, etc etc etc.

Their record is more like launching projects and awarding contracts to contractors based on top secret criteria and then being found out for not doing anything correctly. Decisions taken by political cronies rather than experts.

It seems to have escaped your notice that Dr Thaksin and Ms Thaksinsister are not in the loop any longer. Yes, yes Satan and Satan's spawn were really, really bad and horrible and stuff, we know they were terrible yadda yadda.

It's June, 2014. What's to be done about water management? In your opinion of course. Are the old plans any good? If so, why review them? Are there new plans? Good, let's see them.

But what is this stuff about the 147th review, to be done by army bean-counters? Today. Not involving the Voldemort twins? What do you think about that? I think it's not even credible.

.

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oh Wanda your bias is showing.

The junta has just recently been in power and you expect them to have it all worked out. How long has YL been busy and what do we have to show for it. I know that near me (yes I was flooded) they were working on a sluice but funding was cut halfway by YL and her criminals.. eh political party. Now it is standing there half build.

[Eric Loh]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

Unfortunately the way Thaksin and Yingluck got things done leads to issues - ignoring the law, ignoring EIA requirements, avoiding transparency, not following budget rules, not selecting qualified suppliers, etc etc etc.

Their record is more like launching projects and awarding contracts to contractors based on top secret criteria and then being found out for not doing anything correctly. Decisions taken by political cronies rather than experts.

Perhaps you can tell us all where the emergency budget that was spent after the 2011 floods went? No one seems to know.

Still, Dr.Thaksin had a nice visit to K Water judging by the photo and welcome banner. Now, tell me again, why would a bona fide company want to talk to a convicted criminal fraudster fugitive who can't actually go back to his country as he's an outstanding conviction and 15 outstanding court cases waiting? Oh yes, his sister was the PM. But, why would the PM allow a criminal to represent her country and negotiate contracts he has no subject matter expertise on its behalf? Little strange don't you think? Or was he only representing Shin family interests?

Sure glad it is only your personal opinion which really is expected based on your political leaning.

At least I qoute from a better and respected source. UNICEF monitored the flood and the fundings and concluded that the government was effective and effiient in its response. Tons of criticisms from the oppositions were expected.

As for Taksin visit to K Water, the company spokesman has already said that it was a visit in his personal capacity to learn more from Korea's experience in water management. I would said that Taksin was being patriotic helpful to visit on his own expenses and pass the knowledge to Yinguck government. Of course you will have something else to say which is unimportant to me. The Korean Thailand ambassador was present and said expressed concern with allegation, bit like yours.

The water project tender was open and transparent. It was a 3 days tender process and contenders must passed a technical review. No secret as you alleged or secret deals. All there for the NACC, OAG and independent agencies to monitor. They didnt said a thing but you did.

[Eric Loh]

"This isn't to pick on your post, on the contrary, it's excellent. But your last sentence: How many times is it to be reviewed? And is the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters really the perfect final review board? Really? Because?"

I think we have to wait till June 11 and see the composition of the new body to manage the water management projects. Prayuth has wisely decided to call upon all those involved with the water project to meet. I am sure the Royal Irrigation Department, Engineering Institute (very vocal group) and hopefully also invite the JICA to join the meeting. If some talk about transparency and openess in decision making; hope they are equally vocal with the junta managing the water projects. The efforts to silence critics are not helpful.

[wandasloan]

I know I was not against a water management scheme, I guess almost nobody is as I got flooded last time. I am however against how it was setup. Lets see if the Junta does it better. The thing that i saw from the Junta was that they put someone with knowledge on top of it from the royal irrigation bureau. No such thing was done by the PTP it was nepotism all around.

The best thing would be (not for your side of course) if the companies came out and told about the bribes they paid. Or get the bribes back from the previous government. Would be so nice to see more then a few PTP in jail.

Of course. I agree entirely with the second paragraph. Maybe we BOTH should head down to the beach to find a lamp to rub to get it to happen. Next to preventing corruption in the next iteration of this programme, exposing corruption in the last iteration is my favourite fantasy. And I'm the first to admit I may not be imaginative enough. All ideas on making either of these ideas come true are very, very welcome. Or exposing or preventing any other graft, ditto. Count on me to help spread the news.

Meanwhile, in the real world addressed by your first paragraph. Do you think it's pretty nifty that army accountants are reviewing the water management plans? If so, why? (I admit that's biased. I would be FASCINATED by anyone thought process that concludes these folks will remove the corruption part. I hope they explain their alleged "thinking" on that.)

FYI, the RID was intimately, closely involved in writing the PTP's flood project, as it has been with every flood project. The RID has *never* been in charge. When there's a government the government was in charge. Now there isn't one. Still, the RID is *not* in charge, the RTA's economic department is currently in charge. That was clearly stated in the junta's orders about this slick new skimming device.

All I'm after is if people think having the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters in charge of the flood management plan as of Monday afternoon June 9 is a good idea. Some people never have an opinion, but this is a fact, and many thinking people have an opinion about it - or certainly should.

.

[lomatopo]

All I'm after is if people think having the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters in charge of the flood management plan as of Monday afternoon June 9 is a good idea.

No less of a good idea than having Air Chief Marshal Prajin Juntong in charge of the overall Thai economy, when he's not chairing the Thai Airways board, that is.

BTW, in the Harry Potter analogy, which is brilliant for Thailand, I believe Yingluck would be Bellatrix Lestrange?

Edited June 9, 2014 by lomatopo

[bangrak]

Water scheme firms accept NPCO delay,! as if they had a choice,

Yes. On the other hand, it's a great day for the National Hypocrite Watching Society.

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

Two: Will the huge crowds opposed to corruption in government programmes be watching this one closely, ready to expose the early signs of graft that were likely under an elected, civilian government and now are absolutely certain under an unelected regime?

.

I propose you as president of that National Hypocrite Watching Society, you are very qualified, poachers are said to make the best game keepers. For your introduction speeech, what d'you think of: 'The crystal clear money flows within the PT water management scheme', very hypocritical, yes! You can even ask Plodprasop to sponsor you, sure! One: in your opinion, what could the NCPO by all means do any worse in water management than what the PT mal-administration has already done? Two: what lets you think that ANY organisation will EVER be able to break the graft record of the Shins &Co. masters? I, as president of the next National Positive Thinkers Tank, would conclude: 'As it couldn't get any worse, let us give it a chance to get better!'. Kind regards

[bangrak]

So they take them to court. Who is running the courts? The military; outcome go to goal directly to goal and dont collect 200.

One of the most important jobs to be done and put on the back-burner. Why?

Abhisit did the same?

If another flood happens like 2011, what is the cost to business' and reputation? The rice scheme would be a drop in the bucket compared to the financial losses that could occur by not going thru with this work.

The issue is double: One: was PT's water management scheme any good at managing water (Plodprasop?), or rather at producing graft money; Two: what can be done with the help of real experts(!) to have a realistic programm to minimalise flood risks and maximise irrigation, while respecting the ecology and the populations. Would PT have done what they should, a serious job, the country wouldn't be at risk as it is anymore, so, what the NCPO does, military style, is: 1) what are the (true) problems, 2) what are (real) solutions, and 3) what can be done about it as per today. Do you have anything better to propose?

[bangrak]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

Thaksin and Yingluck were indeed great in terms of vision, courage and determination, alas only to fill their own pockets (and opportunistically throw crumbs at uneducated empoverished masses to elect them). When you would be a private entrepreneur (busy with your own money...) confronted to a water management problem on your property, would it ever cross your mind to call a Mr Plodprasop to run the project for you (you know, the guy pushing water to the sea with thug boat propellers...)?

[robblok]

I know I was not against a water management scheme, I guess almost nobody is as I got flooded last time. I am however against how it was setup. Lets see if the Junta does it better. The thing that i saw from the Junta was that they put someone with knowledge on top of it from the royal irrigation bureau. No such thing was done by the PTP it was nepotism all around.

The best thing would be (not for your side of course) if the companies came out and told about the bribes they paid. Or get the bribes back from the previous government. Would be so nice to see more then a few PTP in jail.

Of course. I agree entirely with the second paragraph. Maybe we BOTH should head down to the beach to find a lamp to rub to get it to happen. Next to preventing corruption in the next iteration of this programme, exposing corruption in the last iteration is my favourite fantasy. And I'm the first to admit I may not be imaginative enough. All ideas on making either of these ideas come true are very, very welcome. Or exposing or preventing any other graft, ditto. Count on me to help spread the news.

Meanwhile, in the real world addressed by your first paragraph. Do you think it's pretty nifty that army accountants are reviewing the water management plans? If so, why? (I admit that's biased. I would be FASCINATED by anyone thought process that concludes these folks will remove the corruption part. I hope they explain their alleged "thinking" on that.)

FYI, the RID was intimately, closely involved in writing the PTP's flood project, as it has been with every flood project. The RID has *never* been in charge. When there's a government the government was in charge. Now there isn't one. Still, the RID is *not* in charge, the RTA's economic department is currently in charge. That was clearly stated in the junta's orders about this slick new skimming device.

All I'm after is if people think having the economic department at the Royal Thai Army headquarters in charge of the flood management plan as of Monday afternoon June 9 is a good idea. Some people never have an opinion, but this is a fact, and many thinking people have an opinion about it - or certainly should.

.

Actually yes its good that accountants are going over it. They could certainly remove corruption from the last government.

I am not sure how they can remove corruption of the Junta as no money has been spend or calculated by them on new projects. But I am sure you can explain that to me. Maybe they should get a crystal bawl and look into the future.

But you love to try to put the Junta down but it won't work for now they are doing a world of good. They should all be declared holy for removing the Shins. A national holiday should be made to remember the day of the coup. Next thing on their list should be to expel all bias farang red shirt reporters. (just like how the CAPO bullied everyone who did not listen to them let others feel how it is) Then when the corruption is exposed it should be made known to the world how corrupt the Shins were.

But actually its already quite telling that even Cambodia won't host a government in exile for the Shins.

The water-scheme is real important and should be handled by experts.. not politicians out for money. So far you are constantly beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

[Basil B]

I just can not see how you can sue the Junta, even if the courts would hear the cases and found in their favour who is going to make the Junta pay?

They have more chance of getting those "cash filled brown envelopes" used to buy the contracts back,

[lomatopo]

beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

You're funny.

You do realize that:

a.) the military has a massive budget, no oversight, and lots of procurement opportunities.

b.) this isn't their first rodeo

c.) they've been plugged in at the civil service level for eons, much of the skim happens there rather than at the political level.

But yes, we're not implying that the Junta has helped themselves to additional remuneration for their most current "sacrifice", yet.

And yes, they will be granted full immunity, amazingly they will grant it unto themselves, for any "mistakes" they might make on this year's coup.

[wandasloan]

Actually yes its good that accountants are going over it. They could certainly remove corruption from the last government.

I am not sure how they can remove corruption of the Junta as no money has been spend or calculated by them on new projects. But I am sure you can explain that to me. Maybe they should get a crystal bawl and look into the future.

But you love to try to put the Junta down but it won't work for now they are doing a world of good. They should all be declared holy for removing the Shins. A national holiday should be made to remember the day of the coup. Next thing on their list should be to expel all bias farang red shirt reporters. (just like how the CAPO bullied everyone who did not listen to them let others feel how it is) Then when the corruption is exposed it should be made known to the world how corrupt the Shins were.

But actually its already quite telling that even Cambodia won't host a government in exile for the Shins.

The water-scheme is real important and should be handled by experts.. not politicians out for money. So far you are constantly beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

See, this is EXACTLY what I told George and his top aides, we need an award for Most Amusing Post Of The Day, and so what if one person dominates it?

I'm only answering, however, to say that one hopes that Cambodia AND NO ONE ELSE would ever host an exile government for Thailand. It's a ridiculous idea, and it's very telling that no credible political figure including "even" (as you say) the Great Lord Voldemort na Dubai has dignified it. I think Hun Sen is a dreadful man and a horrible prime minister but your "even" is uncalled for. Whatever he is, he is a Cambodian. He won't bend over to his (literal) saviours so he sure isn't going to bend over for this. And one hopes all others will do the same. Thailand does not need or call for anything like that.

This isn't Singapore, thank goodness with its elitist slash technocrat system. The water scheme and everything else should be "handled" by elected politicians. But of all the people who should NOT "handle" it, the military is at the very, very top of the list. In fact, it is the military itself who needs to be handled. In this particular case, it would be great if technocrats were to shoo away the boys in green and run the projects, but of course they can't, they're as powerless as politicians. They'll do, and they'll get, what they're told. And so will you and I if we know what's good for us.

Did you notice that "even" Cambodia has never had even the threat of a military coup? Or even worse Asean countries - Vietnam, Laos? What is it about the Thai military that convinces those puffed-up green monsters they can run a country? Especially after so many completely failed, bloodstained failures?

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[khunken]

beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

You're funny.

You do realize that:

a.) the military has a massive budget, no oversight, and lots of procurement opportunities.

b.) this isn't their first rodeo

c.) they've been plugged in at the civil service level for eons, much of the skim happens there rather than at the political level.

But yes, we're not implying that the Junta has helped themselves to additional remuneration for their most current "sacrifice", yet.

And yes, they will be granted full immunity, amazingly they will grant it unto themselves, for any "mistakes" they might make on this year's coup.

Point a) would have been more applicable to the PTP mob. Whether the military will have oversight or not is not known right now. At least they seem to have started correctly by appointing someone who knows about water management to be in charge.

Contrast that with the buffoon Plodprasop whose sole qualification was being a died-in-the-wool Thaksinite. His put down of any protestors, using police to prevent locals from attending the EIA hearings that he was forced to conduct and bussing in outside party supporters to fill the gap was an example of authoritarian rule gone mad.

It won't be hard for the military to do things a whole lot better and past examples of military appointed personnel in not necessarily set in stone. Nor is crystal ball gazing an accurate prediction of the future.

[robblok]

beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

You're funny.

You do realize that:

a.) the military has a massive budget, no oversight, and lots of procurement opportunities.

b.) this isn't their first rodeo

c.) they've been plugged in at the civil service level for eons, much of the skim happens there rather than at the political level.

But yes, we're not implying that the Junta has helped themselves to additional remuneration for their most current "sacrifice", yet.

And yes, they will be granted full immunity, amazingly they will grant it unto themselves, for any "mistakes" they might make on this year's coup.

I know.. but I am commenting on all the people saying they have already enriched themselves. The fact that they might be corrupt does not mean that this bunch is that is pulling the strings. Id like to see some proof. But there is no proof.. because the could not have even tried that. Just like YL asked for time give them time too. To either prove your point or mine but you guys are jumping the gun. YL hung herself maybe the army does the same. I doubt it.

[Eric Loh]

One: Will those hordes opposed to Yingluck's water-management scheme show up to oppose the junta's wataer management scheme?

A significant number of these projects have been in the planning stages since the early 1990's, as a result of efforts by the Royal Irrigation Department begun at the behest of the Monarch back in the 1950's. There was overwhelming demand from all quarters: citizens, bureaucrats, foreign investors, industry, politicians of all ilks, water management experts, Dr. Water, here re: proactively addressing future flooding situations, during/after the great flood of 2011. But, easier to demand that everyone just "be happy", and also learn to swim.

Is every project perfect? (No)

Are there potential civilian displacements? (Yes)

Will graft/corruption instantly disappear? (Up to you)

Is it easy to sit back and do nothing? (Yes)

We have been hearing all the problems relating to floods and droughts for decades. The same frustrations are heard on poor infrastructure. Governments after government talks about this but do not have the fortitude to face the challenges and rather kick the can down the road except for Taksin and Yingluck. They have faults but in terms of vision, courage and determination, they are the only governments that get things down. Oppositions and political opportunists will obviously take aimed and will try to discredit the projects and these are the people who are holding the potential of the nation down. Yes, review the projects but for the future of Thailand, these water and infrastructures are needed to just play catch up with our peers.

Thaksin and Yingluck were indeed great in terms of vision, courage and determination, alas only to fill their own pockets (and opportunistically throw crumbs at uneducated empoverished masses to elect them). When you would be a private entrepreneur (busy with your own money...) confronted to a water management problem on your property, would it ever cross your mind to call a Mr Plodprasop to run the project for you (you know, the guy pushing water to the sea with thug boat propellers...)?

Question for you. What do you know about using boats to quicken the flow of water and do you know whose idea was it? Careful with your answer as I don't want to put you into trouble.

[Eric Loh]

beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

You're funny.

You do realize that:

a.) the military has a massive budget, no oversight, and lots of procurement opportunities.

b.) this isn't their first rodeo

c.) they've been plugged in at the civil service level for eons, much of the skim happens there rather than at the political level.

But yes, we're not implying that the Junta has helped themselves to additional remuneration for their most current "sacrifice", yet.

And yes, they will be granted full immunity, amazingly they will grant it unto themselves, for any "mistakes" they might make on this year's coup.

I know.. but I am commenting on all the people saying they have already enriched themselves. The fact that they might be corrupt does not mean that this bunch is that is pulling the strings. Id like to see some proof. But there is no proof.. because the could not have even tried that. Just like YL asked for time give them time too. To either prove your point or mine but you guys are jumping the gun. YL hung herself maybe the army does the same. I doubt it.

Can't argue against your statement. I guess the same premise can be level on Yingluck or any of her cabinet of corruption in the rice scheme. Jumping the gun?

[robblok]

Actually yes its good that accountants are going over it. They could certainly remove corruption from the last government.

I am not sure how they can remove corruption of the Junta as no money has been spend or calculated by them on new projects. But I am sure you can explain that to me. Maybe they should get a crystal bawl and look into the future.

But you love to try to put the Junta down but it won't work for now they are doing a world of good. They should all be declared holy for removing the Shins. A national holiday should be made to remember the day of the coup. Next thing on their list should be to expel all bias farang red shirt reporters. (just like how the CAPO bullied everyone who did not listen to them let others feel how it is) Then when the corruption is exposed it should be made known to the world how corrupt the Shins were.

But actually its already quite telling that even Cambodia won't host a government in exile for the Shins.

The water-scheme is real important and should be handled by experts.. not politicians out for money. So far you are constantly beating about corruption by the junta but there is no proof. (how could there be whey are in charge so short)

See, this is EXACTLY what I told George and his top aides, we need an award for Most Amusing Post Of The Day, and so what if one person dominates it?

I'm only answering, however, to say that one hopes that Cambodia AND NO ONE ELSE would ever host an exile government for Thailand. It's a ridiculous idea, and it's very telling that no credible political figure including "even" (as you say) the Great Lord Voldemort na Dubai has dignified it. I think Hun Sen is a dreadful man and a horrible prime minister but your "even" is uncalled for. Whatever he is, he is a Cambodian. He won't bend over to his (literal) saviours so he sure isn't going to bend over for this. And one hopes all others will do the same. Thailand does not need or call for anything like that.

This isn't Singapore, thank goodness with its elitist slash technocrat system. The water scheme and everything else should be "handled" by elected politicians. But of all the people who should NOT "handle" it, the military is at the very, very top of the list. In fact, it is the military itself who needs to be handled. In this particular case, it would be great if technocrats were to shoo away the boys in green and run the projects, but of course they can't, they're as powerless as politicians. They'll do, and they'll get, what they're told. And so will you and I if we know what's good for us.

Did you notice that "even" Cambodia has never had even the threat of a military coup? Or even worse Asean countries - Vietnam, Laos? What is it about the Thai military that convinces those puffed-up green monsters they can run a country? Especially after so many completely failed, bloodstained failures?

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Cambodia is as close to a military dictatorship as you can get. There is no need for a coup the one who is in control is already close to the army.

oh Cambodian never had the treat of a military coup read below. You lost all credibility.

, Hun Sen launched the 1997 Cambodian Coup, replacing Ranariddh with Ung Hout as the First Prime Minister and himself still as the Second Prime Minister until the CPP's victory in the 1998 election and thus becoming the country's sole Prime Minister in 1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_Sen