Popular Post Neeranam Posted June 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2014 Did OP ever consider the Thais just thought he was a complete douche?Sounds like one.What a pathetic thread. I have conversations daily. I live here and learned the language so its not a surprise. Whilst watering my hedge yesterday some neighbour stopped and we had a conversation for 1 hour. He used to teach Thai and was retired and a bit drunk. We talked of many intetesting things from language acquisition to drilling wells in the garden, and the North Sea, to differences in Buddhism and Christianity. We spoke of the current state if the country. Many times he apoligized for annoying me until I convinced him I was enjoying our chat. Once they know you're not an arrogant visitir who hasnt learned Thai, they are as like many other Nationalities. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Yes do completely agree that some people here do live in a dream world... The below scenario is extremely unlikely...a vast exaggeration to try and prove a futile point. I am from Australia Did OP ever consider the Thais just thought he was a complete douche?Sounds like one.What a pathetic thread.I have conversations daily. I live here and learned the language so its not a surprise.Whilst watering my hedge yesterday some neighbour stopped and we had a conversation for 1 hour. He used to teach Thai and was retired and a bit drunk. We talked of many intetesting things from language acquisition to drilling wells in the garden, and the North Sea, to differences in Buddhism and Christianity. We spoke of the current state if the country. Many times he apoligized for annoying me until I convinced him I was enjoying our chat.Once they know you're not an arrogant visitir who hasnt learned Thai, they are as like many other Nationalities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Causcasion...181cms and 76kgs...work as a professional in oil and gas industry..dress well and drive a nice car as does wife...non BG wife, educated with nice family..never had an in depth conversation with wife and in over 4 years never detected or heard any conversation of any meaning between her family or friends.. Someone is living in a bubble and or dream world and i am pretty certain its not me I can substantiate that claim that some posters on here are out of touch with reality 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Yeah weird isnt it...strange how those Indonesians I have known for a short amount of time seem to have a conversation with me that is interesting and engaging wheras Thais I have known and drunk with for 10 years and who like me enough to invite me on nights out long after we have stopped working together don't yet trust me... Yes you are right...must be something about my appearance and demeanour that is suspicious to 100% of one singular nationality and not others...very astute and I had never thought of that... Strange how the Indos like you but the Thais don't. Where are you from? It comes from school, culture and media. Debate about something serious to garner knowledge is.something that is basically frowned upon. Sit in silence and wait to be told to think. That's the way its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I know a lady boy who is the president of a large Thai company. She is very willing to have conversations. She apologizes for her lack of knowledge about Thai history and asks me to fill in the gaps of her education. I found that lady boys in general very talkative and when I was teaching lady boy children were always my best students. Most Thai women in my experience are not very interested in politics or if they are the interest is so emotional so as to not lend the topic to rational discussion. Business on the other hand, the women can discuss with the cold logic of a hangman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Causcasion...181cms and 76kgs...work as a professional in oil and gas industry..dress well and drive a nice car as does wife...non BG wife, educated with nice family..never had an in depth conversation with wife and in over 4 years never detected or heard any conversation of any meaning between her family or friends.. Someone is living in a bubble and or dream world and i am pretty certain its not me I can substantiate that claim that some posters on here are out of touch with reality Well there you go. Most of the Aussies I know go to Aussie bars and have Aussie mates. Same as Kiwis. Not having a conversation with your wife is shameful, it takes two to tango. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesHH Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I am lucky. I can and do have frequent meaningful conversations with more than a dozen Thai natives, in English and in translation. Further, I taught over 300 native Thai college students where they spoke freely in English. Of course, I regularly converse with my Thai wife and a rare monk. I would feel really lost living here 'permanently' without that contact. In fact, I can not imagine a person so isolated who never has such contact. I was so happy to move away from irritating arrogant citizens of USA to a gentle culture, and I certainly did not want to move all the way around the world to hob nob with those same type people (now including Brits, for sure). Reading ThaiVisa also shows me I was right for me. Reading that topic headline, now I see even more how such extensive cultural imperialism exists among Brits and others in the LOS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Here is one example of being completely out of touch with reality "The Thais I know have very strong opinions and are willing to discuss them"...it is pretty well an established fact that Thai's are probably the least opinionated people in the world (perhaps only the Laos or Myanmar people being less opinionated if that is possible)...I would think this point is beyond debate..to say Thais have very strong opinions flys totally in the face of everything their culture and religion is about..to say they are willing to discuss their strongly held opinions (and all the implications of face this would have for all involved) shows either no knowledge of the Thai way of things or delusion. Thais are taught not to think or have an opinion on their own. It's pretty difficult to have a meaningful conversation with someone who was taught not to use his/her brain from an early age. The Thais that I know have very strong opinions and are always willing to discuss them. Of course you have to realise that their version of disagreement doesn't involve shouting and going red in the face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Here is one example of being completely out of touch with reality "The Thais I know have very strong opinions and are willing to discuss them"...it is pretty well an established fact that Thai's are probably the least opinionated people in the world (perhaps only the Laos or Myanmar people being less opinionated if that is possible)...I would think this point is beyond debate..to say Thais have very strong opinions flys totally in the face of everything their culture and religion is about..to say they are willing to discuss their strongly held opinions (and all the implications of face this would have for all involved) shows either no knowledge of the Thai way of things or delusion. Thais are taught not to think or have an opinion on their own. It's pretty difficult to have a meaningful conversation with someone who was taught not to use his/her brain from an early age. The Thais that I know have very strong opinions and are always willing to discuss them. Of course you have to realise that their version of disagreement doesn't involve shouting and going red in the face. Tell that to the "Red shirts" and "yellow shirts"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Thats not an opinion at all...it is simply greed overriding all other emotions.. Most of the "protesters" were told what to think...again, not exactly a formed opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachproperty Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) Thats not an opinion at all...it is simply greed overriding all other emotions.. Most of the "protesters" were told what to think...again, not exactly a formed opinion Interesting how you paint ALL Thai's with the same brush.....and this from a man who hasn't had a meaningful conversation with his wife.....Says loads about you! and I can now see why you've never had a meaningful conversation.....probably incapable! Edited June 15, 2014 by beachproperty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Hill Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 never had an in depth conversation with wife I am from Australia I think that's called "the clincher". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JesseFrank Posted June 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted June 15, 2014 Strange, but all those that disagree with the OP and even ridicule him are members that also frequently post in the I drink too much forum. Why would that be ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Here is one example of being completely out of touch with reality "The Thais I know have very strong opinions and are willing to discuss them"...it is pretty well an established fact that Thai's are probably the least opinionated people in the world (perhaps only the Laos or Myanmar people being less opinionated if that is possible)...I would think this point is beyond debate..to say Thais have very strong opinions flys totally in the face of everything their culture and religion is about..to say they are willing to discuss their strongly held opinions (and all the implications of face this would have for all involved) shows either no knowledge of the Thai way of things or delusion. You wrote, ".it is pretty well an established fact that Thai's are probably the least opinionated people in the world" And. .I would think this point is beyond debate..to say Thais have very strong opinions flys totally in the face of everything their culture and religion is about." Not true. Easy to disprove. You are way off base. Do you not watch TV or read Thai newspapers? Gee you must have been in a cave for the past ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 I am lucky. I can and do have frequent meaningful conversations with more than a dozen Thai natives, in English and in translation. Further, I taught over 300 native Thai college students where they spoke freely in English. Of course, I regularly converse with my Thai wife and a rare monk. I would feel really lost living here 'permanently' without that contact. In fact, I can not imagine a person so isolated who never has such contact. I was so happy to move away from irritating arrogant citizens of USA to a gentle culture, and I certainly did not want to move all the way around the world to hob nob with those same type people (now including Brits, for sure). Reading ThaiVisa also shows me I was right for me. Reading that topic headline, now I see even more how such extensive cultural imperialism exists among Brits and others in the LOS. I wish u luck in your search for cultural nirvana. One word of advice. Keep on moving, coz it isn't in thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Do you not watch TV or read Thai newspapers? Oh my giddy Aunt...barely worth responding too...have you ever watched the Thai Lakorn? They are so utterly detached from the reality of Thai life..they are also extremely popular. Does the word "escapism" mean anything to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowerboy Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Conversation: oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas Talk: to express in words; Are you talking or conversing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Do you not watch TV or read Thai newspapers? Oh my giddy Aunt...barely worth responding too...have you ever watched the Thai Lakorn? They are so utterly detached from the reality of Thai life..they are also extremely popular. Does the word "escapism" mean anything to you? Oh my giddy Aunt? Did you watch TV when it was turned off by the latest coup? No? Hmmm. Wonder why they turned it off? Do you think the generals thought every one was watching Lakorn? Grow up. Media is censured in Thailand because the generals are worried. The generals would not be worried if the Thai people watched soap operas. Does the name "M******* ***p" mean anything to you? Where have you been? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATF Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Do you not watch TV or read Thai newspapers? Oh my giddy Aunt...barely worth responding too...have you ever watched the Thai Lakorn? They are so utterly detached from the reality of Thai life..they are also extremely popular. Does the word "escapism" mean anything to you? Weren't Dallas and Dynasty two of the most popular shows ever? Ok you are in the oil biz but not many falungs know someone who owns an oil company. All these people who say Thais don't have opinions either don't speak Thai or talk about things irrelevant to Thais. Thais are usually very opinionated about things that have a direct impact on them. Otherwise they couldn't give a rats about Ukraine, Syria etc. I see their logic but I have been taught to take a worldview but it doesn't mean they are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Yes do completely agree that some people here do live in a dream world... The below scenario is extremely unlikely...a vast exaggeration to try and prove a futile point. I am from Australia Did OP ever consider the Thais just thought he was a complete douche?Sounds like one.What a pathetic thread. I have conversations daily. I live here and learned the language so its not a surprise. Whilst watering my hedge yesterday some neighbour stopped and we had a conversation for 1 hour. He used to teach Thai and was retired and a bit drunk. We talked of many intetesting things from language acquisition to drilling wells in the garden, and the North Sea, to differences in Buddhism and Christianity. We spoke of the current state if the country. Many times he apoligized for annoying me until I convinced him I was enjoying our chat. Once they know you're not an arrogant visitir who hasnt learned Thai, they are as like many other Nationalities. What makes you think so? Maybe you are linguistically challenged? We are both ex language teachers - hence language acquisition. Hardly surprising that would be a topic. He sees me watering my garden for over 1 hour every day - so asked why I didn't drill a well. I used to be a petroleum engineer in Scotland so mentioned that. We live beside a large temple, where he'd just been and we are both interested in religion. The current situation in the country is what NORMAL people chat about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Causcasion...181cms and 76kgs...work as a professional in oil and gas industry..dress well and drive a nice car as does wife...non BG wife, educated with nice family..never had an in depth conversation with wife and in over 4 years never detected or heard any conversation of any meaning between her family or friends.. Someone is living in a bubble and or dream world and i am pretty certain its not me I can substantiate that claim that some posters on here are out of touch with reality Ah, the truth always comes out. Why the need to say "non BG wife" and ;educated'? Why the need to state "professional"? It's obvious that you are illiterate and can't hear what's being said around you, on the tv or in the newspapers. You married a boring woman who can't communicate with you and are trying to feel better about yourself by criticizing the whole country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Do you live in the Pattaya area by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inzman Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Ten years, no conversation with the locals. Seems to say more about you than them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 never had an in depth conversation with wife I am from Australia I think that's called "the clincher". Steady on there Sunshine ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 bowerboy ... do you not have a Thai Partner? Do you not discuss things at length with that person? Mate, did you answer this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benalibina Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 bowerboy ... do you not have a Thai Partner? Do you not discuss things at length with that person? Mate, did you answer this one? Just read the thread and his posts and you have the answer to your question. To help you more...Post 63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Cornelius Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Some would insert 'sensible' into your topic title. Others would say it depends on the Thai you're talking to. Using the same header. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman77 Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hi there! My report after 10years here! Most Thais I talk ,are absent , have there minds somewhere else But not at you! I know exactly what you mean was also in Bali , the taxi driver begin talk About his life family and Hinduism ! Got many friends with in 10 years But the style how this chancel a friendship I realy not like! Met on phangan a old man from bk Allready in pension we travel a lot over 3 years to over 10 destinations Thinking I have a good friend Then he got problem with Chang beer His dauther aswer one time in mail Now he even hang up the phone And never call me Some other friends says I call you But only make emty promising ! Friends I called I save there numbers happy when I call but never call me Out of the eye out of the mind! But in western world 20 year ago is exactly the same To friends massage woman I have a realy got connection since Iam here We can talk about everything When I come back stay at same place! Biggest problem are people that only Talk when you ask question Or guide them in the conversation ! Iam at that point, that I can advice all Thailand is the wrong place to find friends for a life time have to go away! Good luck to all! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Do you not watch TV or read Thai newspapers? Oh my giddy Aunt...barely worth responding too...have you ever watched the Thai Lakorn? They are so utterly detached from the reality of Thai life..they are also extremely popular. Does the word "escapism" mean anything to you? Thai PBS, a free TV channel has plenty of interesting programmes/ documentaries, as with Thai newspapers where there are plenty of stimulating columns and articles, there's far more useful, informative stuff in the Thai tabloids such as Thai Rath and Daily News than in the English equivalents, The Sun and Mirror. But for sure the majority of Thai TV viewers show little interest in serious programmes, they prefer 'human interest' stories, talk shows or comedy. something to relax to. Which is no different from the West where tabloid sales far outweigh the serious dailies. I feel the OP just hasn't had the chance to get to know middle class Thais over a meaningful period of time, perhaps his job assignments haven't given him the time to cultivate relationships. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted June 15, 2014 Share Posted June 15, 2014 Agree with the op,i can speak enough to understand a fair bit of what they are talking about,mostly 1 money,2 food and 3 strangely ab nam seems to come up an awful lot,i also know when they are gossiping as they all talk in whispers,and of course when i am around always falang this falang that,only once have i ever heard them discuss politics,sport never,the outside world? to most village Thai's there is none outside the local area,of course this is mainly due to the poor education system,but the language from what i see is a simple one so maybe this stymies conversation . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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