Israel and Hamas agree 12-hour window

[up-country_sinclair]

 

Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by at least three to one and they are one of our closest allies. That ain't going to happen. 

 

Take a look at the numbers for those under 50...

 

ages 18-29: only 25% say Israel's actions are justified

ages 30-49: only 36%    

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx?

 

 

The proverbial writing is on the wall.   

 

It may take another generation for US politicians to catch up with the will of the people, but they will eventually.  The first thing to go will be the $3.5 billion/year.  Then it will be the blanket immunity the US provides Israel at the UN.

 

Israel will be forced to answer for its inhumane, illegal and immoral actions and justice will be served.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2014 by up-country_sinclair

[Ulysses G.]

Don't bet on it. 

 

Edited July 28, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Morch]

Morch,

Whatever Lieberman is or isn't I do agree with him when he stated the biggest mistake Ariel Sharon ever made was ordering the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza. Since then Israel have never got a moments peace, got no thanks or recognition, to top it all ignorant leftists still refer to Gaza as occupied.
It might be an idea to sub contract the administration of Gaza to the Egyptian military, who would no doubt be far more ruthless than the Israelis whilst receiving scarcely any media attention.


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The death toll among Israelis (as far as Gaza Strip attacks are concerned) was much higher than after the unilateral withdrawal (and later on the blockade). That by itself can serve as a good enough justification. Despite a vocal opposition the move was supported by Israelis, who got tired of shedding blood over a few settlements.

 

There is no plausible way to transfer responsibility of the Gaza Strip to Egypt and seems like Egypt would not touch Gaza with a ten foot pole even if this was offered.

[Morch]

 

Americans support Israel over the Palestinians by at least three to one and they are one of our closest allies. That ain't going to happen. 

 

Take a look at the numbers for those under 50...

 

ages 18-29: only 25% say Israel's actions are justified

ages 30-49: only 36%    

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/174110/americans-reaction-middle-east-situation-similar-past.aspx?

 

 

Well, other than someone shortly coming along and pointing out that this is a partial quote of results, there is another

question to do with how stable are these opinion over time. Younger folk are usually more opinionated and radical in

general, but that doesn't always stick. It also assumes the same condition continue in the Middle East and globally.

[Morch]

 

 

 

 

Twisting facts and spreading disinformation, as usual, Jay.

Israel has launched an air attack on Hamas rocket launchers only after & because Hamas started bombing Israel. Hamas then escalated the attacks, Israel air-strikes were adjusted accordingly and the escalation of both sides reached where it is now.

This is of course not the first time Hamas is doing this:

 

 

More evidence that these are the most incompetent terrorists in world history. Would you deny that I could do more damage against fortified positions with 1000 year old catapults than the Palestinians are doing with 21st century rockets fired into residential areas? Seriously, they have killed only 28 people in 12 Years. Why would anybody on your side of this argument use these numbers to make any kind of a point?

 

Mortars are much more useful as a weapon but so far, they have only fired 25 mortar rounds in this entire year. You could fire a case of mortar rounds in a matter of minutes.

 

 

 

Still with the "most incompetent terrorists" routine?

In all of your posts repeating this nonsense, there wasn't a single coherent explanation as to what parameters are included in this ranking. Terrorism is not just about getting a high body count - its about inducing terror, disrupting everyday life, and getting headlines.

 

Ah, the "catapults" again, and as a follow up, them mortars - so once again, rockets are not necessarily the best way to get a mass casualty list, but they are relatively cheap, got additional terrorism value and until not long ago, were impossible to protect against. Mortars are used, but as they have much shorter range compared with rockets, less effective as far as the terrorist point of view goes. Standing in one place for a few minutes shooting mortars with the IDF/IAF hanging about might be risky. 
 

 

I hate repeating anything but I have to endure the Human Shield crapola on a daily basis. I again remind you that if you have a problem with my posts, please put me on ignore. I offer you discourse and little else. You are completely entrenched in your tribal point of view and I get it. When I say that I am used to it, we are talking serious understatement. I find a bit of irony in the use of the "again" frame of reference.

 

Again, all I have to offer you is discourse, if you need something else, please ignore me. I see with all the likes in your posts you have plenty of tribal cheerleaders so if it is cheerleaders you need, I am not your guy.

 

 

 

If my posts annoy, apply the same medicine you subscribe and put me on ignore. No offense taken.  I believe we had practically the same exchange a few years back, hence the "again". Since then, I still await anything resembling a coherent answer addressing facts and a complex reality, and have to make do with nonsense arguments and pseudo-conspiracy theory ramblings.

 

[Ulysses G.]

Well, other than someone shortly coming along and pointing out that this is a partial quote of results, there is another question to do with how stable are these opinion over time. Younger folk are usually more opinionated and radical in general, but that doesn't always stick.

Hippies probably would have polled with similar results concerning the 1967 war, but then we grew up. Young people usually do.  

 

 

If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.

 

-often attributed to Winston Churchill

[Morch]

 

 

 

The "incompetent terrorist" meme really does come off as a tin foil hat style conspiracy theory. Hamas obviously doesn't (yet and hopefully never) have the arms to defeat Israel militarily but they do have the tools to TERRORIZE Israelis ... if they can't kill many of them, they would certainly like to make them want to LEAVE. And also dissuade many from COMING in the first place. 

 

Many of my theories come off as such. Again, it is discourse.
 

 

If you say so. 

 

Really. I am confident that if we polled the 6.5 billion people on the planet, infinitely more would agree with me. Doesn't make  me right necessarily but we do argue for democracy. I absolutely understand that a small minority group of 15 million having to stick together but that shouldn't affect my point of view.

 

 

 

If they would display the same level of knowledge as some posters here do, it would not be surprising indeed.
 

[arjunadawn]

The one fact missing from all this debate is the nation of Israel being an artificially created country made up of Jewish diaspora who have settle since 1948 in the old Arab enclave of Palestine.

Palestine dates back to Jesus who founded the Christian religion.

I don't read about many Christian fundamentalists trying to reclaim the so called holy land which to me appears to me a nightmare or poison chalice whichever is worse.

However the bulk of the population of Israel who have roots elsewhere in the world have been hell bent on displacing the ethnic population hence the problems over the last fifty years.

Logic suggests that integration and accepting that most reasonable people just want a simple family life would mean the aggression of the last half century is a waste of time.

Live and let live and who cares about some so called right to live in the land from the Jordan River to the sea.

That prophesy has not worked out for Israel who seem to have been cursed since biblical times.

These are well written thoughts.

[Ulysses G.]

Maybe if they concur with your own biased opinions, but they have been historically refuted repeatedly on this forum for those interested in facts.

[Scott]

The one fact missing from all this debate is the nation of Israel being an artificially created country made up of Jewish diaspora who have settle since 1948 in the old Arab enclave of Palestine.

Palestine dates back to Jesus who founded the Christian religion.

I don't read about many Christian fundamentalists trying to reclaim the so called holy land which to me appears to me a nightmare or poison chalice whichever is worse.

However the bulk of the population of Israel who have roots elsewhere in the world have been hell bent on displacing the ethnic population hence the problems over the last fifty years.

Logic suggests that integration and accepting that most reasonable people just want a simple family life would mean the aggression of the last half century is a waste of time.

Live and let live and who cares about some so called right to live in the land from the Jordan River to the sea.

That prophesy has not worked out for Israel who seem to have been cursed since biblical times.

 

Let's not too far off-topic, but I don't think Jesus founded the Christian religion,  I think it started after his death and I could be wrong but the Crusades were about reclaiming the Holy Land, or at least taking it away from someone.  

 

I am not sure when the term Palestine came into existence for the area, but that has been around for quite a while as well.

 

A lot of different groups have lived there, left there, and fought there.
 

[arunsakda]

There is no "GOD".

Therefore it is not helpful to argue which false Diety promised which piece of scrabby desert to any particlular tribe.


"Let me make one thing absolutely clear". - Mark Regev Edited August 8, 2014 by arunsakda