Age gap in a relationship, how comfortable are you?

[ttthailand]

There is always going to be people who judge other people without really knowing anything about them. My gf is 30 + years younger then me. While motorbike taxi guys give me the thumbs up older Thai ladies give me dirty looks sometimes. I have even had a few pointed comments regarding out relationship from Thai ladies.
Do I worry .... No ! It is none of their business and they can screw off.... I would guess that these types of people have something to say about everything that don't fit into their little world.
She is of legal age and is not forced into the relationship. She is a smart educated girl and works and can take care of herself. Her family accepts me and I think really happy about our relationship. People who judge others should first look at themselves and ask the question of why they judge...

[Water Buffalo]

Well, in the west is isn't as common that's for sure, despite it sometimes happening.  That is probably because they people there are more financially secure now.  Back in the old days (when my grandad was young), it was common for the man to be about 10 years older.  But this is not the case with my generation.

 

 

What do they have in common....well....the man has a natural drive for sex - it is what male mammals are programmed to do (for the survival of species).  In the wild, older males will reproduce with younger females.  It doesn't matter to them, and is in fact necessary when the older ones can now longer reproduce.

 

How does this fit in with the human animal in today's world.  Well, the man wants sex (regardless of whether he actually wants a child) and the woman wants to be taken care of.  The man enjoys her youthfulness and the woman enjoys his lifetimes savings.  This is not to say their relationship doesn't have any other meaning.  They probably do enjoy some aspects of each other.

 

How comfortable am i?  Well, i am 10 years younger than my lady (I don't know how she pulled that one .  She must be Obi Wan Kanobi!  Or maybe it is her cooking.  Or her ass.  Anyways, before i go off track.  Our relationship is good.  I feel the same age as her.  My family actually thought we were the same age (she looks about 10 years younger by western standards). 

 

Everything is great, as far as relationships go.  Despite the fact i have to hear her attempt to win every dispute with, "You don't understand, you are farang...Thai babies are different to farang babies...Thai dogs are different to farang dogs...Thai cars are different to farang cars.... )

 

Anyways, i think there is nothing really wrong with an age gap of 20 plus years, despite it being a little funny to look at and gross to imagine.  And like i said, in the future it won't happen, so enjoy it while you can chaps.

 

 

Edited July 29, 2014 by Water Buffalo

[ttthailand]

I don't know why most of the people responding to this OP do not take it seriously. I am in a 66/36 y.o. relationship. I don't have a problem with our age difference. I have a problem that other people are judgemental about us - as most of the people who made facetious replies to the OP. Sure, I can say that it doesn't bother me what other people think - but that doesn't change the fact that people show contempt towards us. Contrary to what I was told about traditional Thai society having a lot of respect for old people, the reality is that young people in Thailand - much like young people in most parts of the world - are concerned about being modern and hip, about being known to like the trash that they call music, about their modern drugs and being a player and having showy clothes and cars and desireable women - to show they are better than other people. They respect old people who hobble around the village and light incense at the Wat and don't make any noise.

This is the world that exists for me to live in. The values that I knew when I was young, the kind fo music that had meaning - I have no intention of changing them in order to be acceptable to people. I am not going to dress the way modern people dress or try to dance the way they dance, or own a car that would impress modern people. That would be dishonest. I am with my lady because we love each other and we are happy together. I am not happy when people show by their talk or their looks that they think she is a paid woman, or that they could take her away from me. I am insecure thinking about taking her back to the U.S.A. We together would be fine. But her getting through the the visa process to start with - customs people assuming I am taking her to America to pimp her, and we have to convince them we are genuine; and after all that expense and delays and trouble, we would face an American public that would be even more hostile to our marriage than Thai people are. It does not give me any comfort that American women of my age would hate us because they know they cannot compete. It will be a problem that young men think they can take her away from me - and want to try, just to prove how belligerent they are. At the supermarket, at the auto repair shop, at the appliance stores, people are going to be winking and snickering and talking trash. And BTW it is an insult to say, "I wonder how much he pays her," anywhere, any culture, any time. To be belligerent back to them does not make for harmony in our relationship.

This happens to anyone who marries outside of his circle of people, marries a person of a different color, or different religion - being involved with someone whose first language - or second language is different than the locals' .... different social cast, or different sex - there are people who will welcome her and be prepared to love her and others who will treat her like she is "not our kind." A country girl without guile who just wants to be a good person and be happy with her man, not a threat to anyone else's happiness.

The question that was raised is does anyone have advice, from experience, on living in a marriage with a big difference of ages. Does anyone have anything to contribute?

I am sure all the 66 year old grandmas will be falling down in jealousy that they can't have you. You sound completely insane - maybe those viagra are melting your brain?

Some people just don't get it... You are a fool !
It's no one's business who people decide to be with. You sound like a young punk who couldn't impress a hooker with a pocket full of money.
Get a life ! And stop judging others !

[ttthailand]

What you guys seem to be missing with all your Donald Trump/Hugh Hefner comparisons is that nobody is jealous of you and nobody gives a sh*t.

I think you care and that's why you judge. But I would guess no one cares about anything you think anyhow.... Pathetic !

[Cypress Hill]

 

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??
 
 

All I want to know is how comfortable are they when they stepping out together. I guess as long as they don't care the gossiping, the eyeballing, and the labeling, they should be comfortable stepping out as a couple.

Well that's just it, isn't it? Some of the old boys DO care what people think; that's why some of them are on here justifying it. A lot of the time, it's the the women who are given a hard time. If you're gonna step out in an unconventional union, there's a chance people will make judgments.
 
 

No, and it's not normal for women to be left holding the baby (literally) without any financial (or any other kind) support from the father, but it happens here and in a lot of other countries as well. As long as the falang father in question provides for his child, now and after he's deceased, where's the damage done? If you're going to base your criticisms/opinions on what society deems normal or acceptable, you're just a sheep. Societies values differ from one culture to the next, from one decade to the next. Thank god some of us have minds of our own.

 
You actually don't realise when you're talking crap, do you? While money is important to the upbringing of a child, the presence and tangible input of a father is far more critical to his/her development. There's millions of fathers who get by on modest incomes and yet provide very well for their children. Your angle seems to be that even if the father is just about to die, a bundle of money will successfully compensate for his absence when he's pushing up daisies.

Dismissing advocates of the "normal" family unit configuration as "sheep" just demonstrates the lengths to which you'll go to support a self-serving argument; one in which, as an old man, you can run around Thailand reliving your youth by exploiting young local women by paying peanuts for it.

Dunno if you've got a daughter but, tell us, would you be ok if she told you a 75 yr old bandy-legged bum knocked her up and she intended to have it?

[krisb]

the age can be a real problem especially when the guy really does start to look old.What's that saying for us old 'uns...halve your age plus 7years as a guide line.

I think us males improve with age if we look after ourselves. Females don't quite so well.

Anyhow back to the topic, who cares about age gaps, so long as everyones happy, thats the end of that really.

[JLCrab]

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??

Me: Which one?

 

[Cypress Hill]

 

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??

Me: Which one?

 

Her: Oh actually it's ok, Dear. I'll ask my "brother" who works at the bank

[thaitakeaway]

How easily fooled you all are...your 'young' Thai wives may be pushing 45+ and able to pop out one more kid before menopause kicks in so you see really hog tied when they she very quickly botoxed to the max.

The first part I get, but your tinglish in the second has me struggling to translate your meaning. And where did she get the money to pay for the oh-so-desirable perfect skin treatment?

By the way, don't you realize many farangs had an early treatment of their own back in the day - the big V snip snip.

[Berkshire]

 

the age can be a real problem especially when the guy really does start to look old.What's that saying for us old 'uns...halve your age plus 7years as a guide line.

I think us males improve with age if we look after ourselves. Females don't quite so well.

Anyhow back to the topic, who cares about age gaps, so long as everyones happy, thats the end of that really.

 

 

Males improve with age?  Sorry, but don't think so (unless you're talking about our net worth).  I looked a heck of a lot better 20 years ago.  Might be more accurate to say that we don't age as rapidly if we look after ourselves (e.g., exercising, staying out of the sun, moderation on the sauce, etc.).

 

As for women....well, that's a little different.  It's almost unfair to compare a 20 yr old hardbody with even a fit 40 yr. old.  The young hotties are just too perfect in every way.  We're talking physical attributes, now, nothing else.

 

 
 

[JLCrab]

 

 

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??

Me: Which one?

 

Her: Oh actually it's ok, Dear. I'll ask my "brother" who works at the bank

 

Me: Fine ... you could also ask some of the other girls I hang out with while you're eating somtam with your brother at the bank.

[spidermike007]

Why would a man want to be with a woman his age, if he really had a choice in the matter? I do not want to hear the intellectual compatibility nonsense. Hard to even conceive that a woman younger than me, can't give me intellectual stimulation.


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[Cypress Hill]

 

 

 

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??

Me: Which one?

 

Her: Oh actually it's ok, Dear. I'll ask my "brother" who works at the bank

 

Me: Fine ... you could also ask some of the other girls I hang out with while you're eating somtam with your brother at the bank.

 

Her: You mean the pre-nup-busting honeytraps I set for you? 

Me: [Clutches chest] 

[JLCrab]

Me: Oh -- I forgot to tel you: The marriage ain't legal.

[1BADDAT]

 

My opinions are based on my experiences and up bringing.  I am fortunate enough to still have a dad who is alive and well and was there for my childhood is still there for me. 

 

The damage done is that a fatherless child is less likely to succeed.  Why would anyone put a kid in a situation where that is a likely outcome?  It is selfish to do so.

Anyone who has acquired the financial means to support a kid (for 18 years) will obviously understand the importance of actually raising a kid.
 

 

The 24 million American sons and daughters growing up without fathers are not all doomed.

 

Successful men who have grown up without a father: President Obama and Bill Clinton, for two easy examples. I could also mention Aristotle, John Hancock, Gerald Ford, Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglas, Stephen King and a fraternity of other historical heroes.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/06/03/what-are-fathers-for/when-children-are-better-off-fatherless

 

 

 

 

 

 

The article referenced above is about women who would make a positive impact on their kids life if they left their abusive husbands.  Man you guys are grasping to make a point.

 

 

[Time Traveller]

If it is bothering anyone, they should immediately register a complaint with the authorities about the wide gaps of thai women with farang. 

Edited July 29, 2014 by Time Traveller

[Humberstone]

My rule is simple - never date anyone younger than my (youngest) grand daughter

[kannot]

Somsrisonphimai ... I like the stuff you write, but I always have this nagging doubt.

 

You are Thai correct?

 

Living in Thailand?

 

A Thai Woman?

 

It's just that you always talk about Thailand in the 3^rd person.

 

"it seemed the Thai society has accepted" ... wouldn't you naturally write along the lines of the first person in the style of 'our society'.

 

 

That said ... MissFarmGirl seems to be fine with me.

 

Our age differerence is known to our friends.

 

For those who are curious as to that number ... buy me a beer and heck, I'll throw in the winning Lotto numbers for next week ... 

 

 

 

ladyboy maybe....... says my Wife, however i have no opinion either way

[giddyup]

 

Me: My pension/nest egg is only going to generate only a fraction of the income it has been.
Her: You've been reading that ThaiVisa crap again, haven't you??

Me: Yes, Dear
Her: Ok well, just in case, let's have a look at your bank statement, eh??
 
 

All I want to know is how comfortable are they when they stepping out together. I guess as long as they don't care the gossiping, the eyeballing, and the labeling, they should be comfortable stepping out as a couple.

Well that's just it, isn't it? Some of the old boys DO care what people think; that's why some of them are on here justifying it. A lot of the time, it's the the women who are given a hard time. If you're gonna step out in an unconventional union, there's a chance people will make judgments.
 
 

No, and it's not normal for women to be left holding the baby (literally) without any financial (or any other kind) support from the father, but it happens here and in a lot of other countries as well. As long as the falang father in question provides for his child, now and after he's deceased, where's the damage done? If you're going to base your criticisms/opinions on what society deems normal or acceptable, you're just a sheep. Societies values differ from one culture to the next, from one decade to the next. Thank god some of us have minds of our own.

 
You actually don't realise when you're talking crap, do you? While money is important to the upbringing of a child, the presence and tangible input of a father is far more critical to his/her development. There's millions of fathers who get by on modest incomes and yet provide very well for their children. Your angle seems to be that even if the father is just about to die, a bundle of money will successfully compensate for his absence when he's pushing up daisies.

Dismissing advocates of the "normal" family unit configuration as "sheep" just demonstrates the lengths to which you'll go to support a self-serving argument; one in which, as an old man, you can run around Thailand reliving your youth by exploiting young local women by paying peanuts for it.

Dunno if you've got a daughter but, tell us, would you be ok if she told you a 75 yr old bandy-legged bum knocked her up and she intended to have it?

 

Your ridiculous narrow-minded views and responses don't warrant any further replies from me. Pointless.

 

[Thaiberius]

There is a variable amount of manipulation, self-serving behaviour, trust issues and selfishness in any relationship. If you can work those out then age is immaterial. If they can't be worked out then it's easy to blame the age difference. Good luck to anyone who wants to get married but personally not for me.

[Strangebrew]

My dad was 30 years older than my Mom in the states and he out lived her so 30- 40 years age difference don't mean a thing as long as she can keep up with me I need to at have her at least die after me.Don't want to have what happen to my dad last 10 years alone. Just us knucklehead kids there.

[choochoo]

There is always going to be people who judge other people without really knowing anything about them. My gf is 30 + years younger then me. While motorbike taxi guys give me the thumbs up older Thai ladies give me dirty looks sometimes. I have even had a few pointed comments regarding out relationship from Thai ladies.
 

the taxi boys are saluting the girl not you you old buzzard!

 

 

@ you sir they are giggling like little skool girls.

Edited July 29, 2014 by choochoo

[Strangebrew]

Oh to clear up my point average age at death in my family is 105. so at 62 got some years left. And yes it still works and then there is Kamagra too for those later years.

[ttthailand]

There is always going to be people who judge other people without really knowing anything about them. My gf is 30 + years younger then me. While motorbike taxi guys give me the thumbs up older Thai ladies give me dirty looks sometimes. I have even had a few pointed comments regarding out relationship from Thai ladies.

the taxi boys are saluting the girl not you you old buzzard!


@ you sir they are giggling like little skool girls.

Hahaha.... No, motorbike taxi guys even have more respect than these young judges on TV would have to make sure I am the only one who sees. My lady would not think highly of such an act and they would never do to her. Some people command respect with out saying a word.
Grow my boy and some day you might get luck.... But I think not ;)

[AnotherOneAmerican]

You actually don't realise when you're talking crap, do you? While money is important to the upbringing of a child, the presence and tangible input of a father is far more critical to his/her development. There's millions of fathers who get by on modest incomes and yet provide very well for their children. Your angle seems to be that even if the father is just about to die, a bundle of money will successfully compensate for his absence when he's pushing up daisies.

Many of the men I knew in the west, worked so many hours, they didn't ever see their children.
Many more were divorced with little or no access to their children.
Pensioners have plenty of time to spend with their kids.

Not sure where you find all the normal working guys with plenty of time for their kids.
Your little Walton family fantasy hasn't been in place for the last 30 years anyway. Edited July 29, 2014 by AnotherOneAmerican

[giddyup]

 

You actually don't realise when you're talking crap, do you? While money is important to the upbringing of a child, the presence and tangible input of a father is far more critical to his/her development. There's millions of fathers who get by on modest incomes and yet provide very well for their children. Your angle seems to be that even if the father is just about to die, a bundle of money will successfully compensate for his absence when he's pushing up daisies.

Many of the men I knew in the west, worked so many hours, they didn't ever see their children.
Many more were divorced with little or no access to their children.
Pensioners have plenty of time to spend with their kids.

Not sure where you find all the normal working guys with plenty of time for their kids.
Your little Walton family fantasy hasn't been in place for the last 30 years anyway.

 

 Cypress Hill is living in some kind of alternate reality ala "Lucy in the sky with diamonds"

[phusingpete]

 

 

 

 

 

My opinions are based on my experiences and up bringing.  I am fortunate enough to still have a dad who is alive and well and was there for my childhood is still there for me. 

 

The damage done is that a fatherless child is less likely to succeed.  Why would anyone put a kid in a situation where that is a likely outcome?  It is selfish to do so.

Anyone who has acquired the financial means to support a kid (for 18 years) will obviously understand the importance of actually raising a kid.
 

 

You never seem to respond to points made but go off on another tangent, everything based on your perfect childhood. What about the thousands of young Thai women that have their children out of wedlock, then dump them on a rellie, mum, auntie etc, to raise. Want to comment on the thousands of single mothers in the US, Britain etc raising children in poverty? Yet you seem to single out this one 70 year old who is providing for his child, now and probably in the future, as the most irresponsible of people. It's not a perfect world, accept it.

 

 

 

I will comment on that specifically.  There are millions of people worldwide that have no financial means or desire to actually raise a child, but they have them anyway.  They do it because they are likely uneducated, selfish, or do not think about the consequences.

 

Suggesting that because millions of others do something wrong makes it right for others to do is nonsense.

 

The major difference between the person in poverty and the 70 year old in question above, is that the person above does know better and understands the consequences.

 

 

Let us look at the factual results and the possible consequences of my being 71 and having a seven year old daughter. She was not the result of an unwanted pregnancy, my wife and I actually adopted her when she was three weeks old. I can almost hear your gasps of disgust, did I not know any better?

 

Since she was a baby I have been her constant companion I sang her to sleep with English nursery rhymes and ensured that she had access to picture books in English. From a very early age she knew about shapes, colours and the ABC and enjoyed books. Because I was retired I could spend all my time with her, painting and drawing, reading her stories, watching films or just talking all in English, while my wife spoke to her in Thai. Some years ago we moved to a city to ensure that she benefits from a decent private school education a school she still attends and loves dearly.She has been given homework from an early age and really enjoys doing this with myself and her mother

 

She is now seven and speaks very good English, her teacher tells us that her standard of reading and writing Thai is of a ten year old. Her favourite book now is the World Atlas, which she drags from the book case and we go through the countries her various uncles come from, she recognises Thailand on the map and knows that I come from Greenwich in London. She even knows that we live on planet Earth. She has an inquisitive mind and is not afraid to ask questions.

 

So apart from giving her all the love and care I could possibly muster I do believe I have given her a thirst for knowledge, an important start in life. I believe a Jesuit saying states, " give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man" not sure if this is true, but I do believe she has been given a good start in not only her education but her outlook on life.

 

You alluded to the fact that when the child is 18 a 70 year old like me will not be able to go disco dancing with her, very true, but I would hopefully still be able to support her with her further education or any other aims or goals she may wish to persue. Even if I die tomorrow there are financial arrangements in place to ensure her further education through university and beyond. However I do hope to live a good few years yet and I shall continue to love and encourage her in every way possible.

 

Of course I shall die while she is relatively young, she will have to deal with that as do any children that have lost parents, however she will still have her mother who is much younger than me, and some wonderful memories of a very happy childhood.

 

The consequences may not be so dire as you like to predict.

 

As an aside and to get back on topic. When I am out with my family a much younger wife and an infant Thais do not sneer at me and the wife but are mesmerised by the tiny Thai girl conversing with me in English. Some older Thai women have approached my wife in Robinsons and asked if the child speaks Thai.

 

 

[Tywais]

Inflammatory posts and reply removed.

[giddyup]

 

 

 

 

 

 

My opinions are based on my experiences and up bringing.  I am fortunate enough to still have a dad who is alive and well and was there for my childhood is still there for me. 

 

The damage done is that a fatherless child is less likely to succeed.  Why would anyone put a kid in a situation where that is a likely outcome?  It is selfish to do so.

Anyone who has acquired the financial means to support a kid (for 18 years) will obviously understand the importance of actually raising a kid.
 

 

You never seem to respond to points made but go off on another tangent, everything based on your perfect childhood. What about the thousands of young Thai women that have their children out of wedlock, then dump them on a rellie, mum, auntie etc, to raise. Want to comment on the thousands of single mothers in the US, Britain etc raising children in poverty? Yet you seem to single out this one 70 year old who is providing for his child, now and probably in the future, as the most irresponsible of people. It's not a perfect world, accept it.

 

 

 

I will comment on that specifically.  There are millions of people worldwide that have no financial means or desire to actually raise a child, but they have them anyway.  They do it because they are likely uneducated, selfish, or do not think about the consequences.

 

Suggesting that because millions of others do something wrong makes it right for others to do is nonsense.

 

The major difference between the person in poverty and the 70 year old in question above, is that the person above does know better and understands the consequences.

 

 

Let us look at the factual results and the possible consequences of my being 71 and having a seven year old daughter. She was not the result of an unwanted pregnancy, my wife and I actually adopted her when she was three weeks old. I can almost hear your gasps of disgust, did I not know any better?

 

Since she was a baby I have been her constant companion I sang her to sleep with English nursery rhymes and ensured that she had access to picture books in English. From a very early age she knew about shapes, colours and the ABC and enjoyed books. Because I was retired I could spend all my time with her, painting and drawing, reading her stories, watching films or just talking all in English, while my wife spoke to her in Thai. Some years ago we moved to a city to ensure that she benefits from a decent private school education a school she still attends and loves dearly.She has been given homework from an early age and really enjoys doing this with myself and her mother

 

She is now seven and speaks very good English, her teacher tells us that her standard of reading and writing Thai is of a ten year old. Her favourite book now is the World Atlas, which she drags from the book case and we go through the countries her various uncles come from, she recognises Thailand on the map and knows that I come from Greenwich in London. She even knows that we live on planet Earth. She has an inquisitive mind and is not afraid to ask questions.

 

So apart from giving her all the love and care I could possibly muster I do believe I have given her a thirst for knowledge, an important start in life. I believe a Jesuit saying states, " give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man" not sure if this is true, but I do believe she has been given a good start in not only her education but her outlook on life.

 

You alluded to the fact that when the child is 18 a 70 year old like me will not be able to go disco dancing with her, very true, but I would hopefully still be able to support her with her further education or any other aims or goals she may wish to persue. Even if I die tomorrow there are financial arrangements in place to ensure her further education through university and beyond. However I do hope to live a good few years yet and I shall continue to love and encourage her in every way possible.

 

Of course I shall die while she is relatively young, she will have to deal with that as do any children that have lost parents, however she will still have her mother who is much younger than me, and some wonderful memories of a very happy childhood.

 

The consequences may not be so dire as you like to predict.

 

As an aside and to get back on topic. When I am out with my family a much younger wife and an infant Thais do not sneer at me and the wife but are mesmerised by the tiny Thai girl conversing with me in English. Some older Thai women have approached my wife in Robinsons and asked if the child speaks Thai.

 

 

 

Lovely story, unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears to a lot here. They don't want to hear anything positive coming out of an older man, younger woman relationship, but prefer to only snipe and sneer. Makes you wonder what kind of life they have in Thailand when they are so sadly embittered.

 

[thailiketoo]

 

 

My opinions are based on my experiences and up bringing.  I am fortunate enough to still have a dad who is alive and well and was there for my childhood is still there for me. 

 

The damage done is that a fatherless child is less likely to succeed.  Why would anyone put a kid in a situation where that is a likely outcome?  It is selfish to do so.

Anyone who has acquired the financial means to support a kid (for 18 years) will obviously understand the importance of actually raising a kid.
 

 

The 24 million American sons and daughters growing up without fathers are not all doomed.

 

Successful men who have grown up without a father: President Obama and Bill Clinton, for two easy examples. I could also mention Aristotle, John Hancock, Gerald Ford, Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglas, Stephen King and a fraternity of other historical heroes.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/06/03/what-are-fathers-for/when-children-are-better-off-fatherless

 

The article referenced above is about women who would make a positive impact on their kids life if they left their abusive husbands.  Man you guys are grasping to make a point.

 

President Obama and Bill Clinton, for two easy examples. I could also mention Aristotle, John Hancock, Gerald Ford, Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglas, Stephen King and a fraternity of other historical heroes grew up without fathers.  Hardly grasping at straws.

Edited July 29, 2014 by thailiketoo