Does Britain have a jihadi problem?

[jacky54]

So it seems not one of the apologists has any ideas about how to combat Jihad in the UK, all they seem able to do is to try their best to downplay it and point the finger at other religions not involved.

[Steely Dan]

So it seems not one of the apologists has any ideas about how to combat Jihad in the UK, all they seem able to do is to try their best to downplay it and point the finger at other religions not involved.

They do seem enthusiastic to the point of obsession though when it comes to tying to discredit groups warning about the dangers of jihad though, such as the EDL.

[Johpa]

I've dedicated correctly these 12 centuries to the colonial history of Western countries.

In many ways human history is little more than the study of colonialism and migrations. There is nothing particularly western about the phenomena.

[mixxer]

Here is a perspective by
> > Dr. Peter Hammond. Dr. Hammonds doctorate is in Theology.
> > He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and
> > converted to Christianity in 1977.
> >
> > Adapted from Dr. > Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The
> > Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
> >

> > Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total,
> > 100% system of life.
> >
> > Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

> > Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well..

> > Here's how it works:

> > As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

> > United States -- Muslim 0..6%

> > Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

> > Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
> >
> > China -- Muslim 1.8%
> >
> > Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
> >
> > Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

> > At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

> > Denmark -- Muslim 2%
> >
> > Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
> >
> > United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
> >
> > Spain -- Muslim 4%
> >
> > Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

> > >From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

> > For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.

> > They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal food on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.

> > This is occurring in:

> > France -- Muslim 8%
> >
> > Philippines -- Muslims 5%
> >
> > Sweden -- Muslim 5%
> > Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
> >
> > The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
> >
> > Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

> > At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law.

> > The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

> > When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.
Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

> > Guyana -- Muslim 10%
> >
> > India -- Muslim 13.4%
> >
> > Israel -- Muslim 16%
> >
> > Kenya -- Muslim 10%
> >
> > Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslims 32.8%At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

> > Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
> >
> > Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
> >
> > Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%


From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

> > Albania -- Muslim 70%
> >
> > Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
> >
> > Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
> >
> > Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

> > Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
> >
> > Egypt -- Muslim 90%
> >
> > Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
> >
> > Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
> >
> > Iran -- Muslim 98%
> >
> > Iraq -- Muslim 97%
> >
> > Jordan -- Muslim 92%
> >
> > Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
> >
> > Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
> >
> > Palestine -- Muslim 99%
> >
> > Syria -- Muslim 90%
> >
> > Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
> >
> > Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
> >
> > United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

> > 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace.. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

> > Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
> >
> > Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

> > Somalia -- Muslim 100%
> >
> > Yemen -- Muslim 100%

> > Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

> > 'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

> > It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities.. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

> > Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers.
Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of
this century.

> > Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The
> > Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

> > Please forward this important information to any who cares about the Future of our
> > Country.
> >
> > Quite an eye opener

--

Enjoy Life - It has an expiry date.

[Munsterman]

Hammonds doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.

Well, there can be no question marks over this lad's credibility, can there?

[Thorgal]

Hammonds doctorate is in Theology. He was born in Capetown in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.

Well, there can be no question marks over this lad's credibility, can there?

Did you bother to read the post?

Theologist Peter Hammond is known as a Christian homophobic reformist.

He's founder and director of SA Frontline Fellowship.

Do you expect objectivity from this guy ?

Why making a link to other religions instead of Muslims in the UK ?

http://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&id=1266:the-director

http://www.secularism.org.uk/christian-homophobes-are-spreadi.html

Edited September 20, 2014 by Thorgal

[Thorgal]

It's not only Britain with this problem. Many posts previously have shown the jihad problem also affects many other developed, civilized countries, including now Germany.

"After supporters of ISIS were found patrolling the streets of West Germany enforcing Sharia Law earlier this month, Germany has made the decision to criminalize all forms of support for the terrorist organization."

http://www.funker530.com/germany-bans-all-isis-support-after-sharia-police-were-found-patrolling-german-streets/

You mention "now germany;" it is even darker then this. Sweden is a foregone conclusion. Sweden does not even have a chance, UK does. Norway, France... it is a sad, tragic list.

This is population jihad, otherwise known in Islamic jurisprudence as "Hijra[h]." This migration jihad is exactly what is taking place so when you have an occasion to wonder why so many pieces of the jihad puzzle keep falling into place, add this to your deliberations and ask yourself "Really? Could this all possibly be coincidence?" If the answer is yes, return to the field and insert head in soil. If the answer is no, educate yourself and educate those around you. What seeks to destroy you is not procrastinating; nor should you.

Indeed many of the foot soldiers of multiculturalism are in effect hastening their own demise by name calling or obstructing those who are warning of its danger. I once read a book called 'Eat the rich' by Gore Vidal, it covered Sweden as an example of good socialism. Since then the once homogeneous nature of Sweden, which allowed its generous welfare state to function has been rapidly collapsing due to a flood of Muslim immigrants. Now they have no go zones, soaring crime, the OECD's highest rape statistics and bankrupt local governments. Yet anyone who complains is called a racist and hung out to dry in a manner some totalitarian Countries would struggle to beat.

It is vital to citizens of the UK to look to other European countries and their incorporation of mulsims into their fabric. This will be a very good indicator of what is in store for UK. Sweden is a prime example, and if may suggest IMO, the last place on earth one would expect this.

Multiculturalism is a political tool to dilute the glue that binds sovereign peoples. Its goal is to make null the glue that prevents subordination of people to regional and global governance (tradition, the land, the ancestors, endemic religion, fraternity); clearly the subject of another topic. However, it is in this vacuum, created by the marginalizing of the host and making relative all ethics and behavior, that islam ascends. Islam is not ascending because it is an agreeable ideology or superior polity. Islam ascends in the west because the west have corrupted their own wretched house and like a parasite it feeds off the host; the main point here is it is not symbiotic- it will destroy the host! Just wake up every day for 2 weeks and read the news for one hour, twice a day. Draw your own conclusions about if UK has a jihad problem.

Swedish Social Democratic political party is a populist far-right wing group with roots in Swedish neo Nazi movements.

This resulted in protest and agression from both groups as soon as their popularity grew. Not the way around like in your youtube video...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11095675/Swedens-Social-Democrats-set-to-reclaim-power-as-far-right-make-historic-gains.html

https://libcom.org/news/rise-swedish-fascism-30052014

There have been several arson attacks on Malmo mosque and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_Mosque

Cartoonist Lars Vills made the prophet look like a dog and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Vilks_Muhammad_drawings_controversy

Is your footage not pure ultra right political Swedish propaganda and not really a good example to make any projection to the UK jihadi issue in OP ?

Edited September 20, 2014 by Thorgal

[H1w4yR1da]

It's not only Britain with this problem. Many posts previously have shown the jihad problem also affects many other developed, civilized countries, including now Germany.

"After supporters of ISIS were found patrolling the streets of West Germany enforcing Sharia Law earlier this month, Germany has made the decision to criminalize all forms of support for the terrorist organization."

http://www.funker530.com/germany-bans-all-isis-support-after-sharia-police-were-found-patrolling-german-streets/

You mention "now germany;" it is even darker then this. Sweden is a foregone conclusion. Sweden does not even have a chance, UK does. Norway, France... it is a sad, tragic list.

This is population jihad, otherwise known in Islamic jurisprudence as "Hijra[h]." This migration jihad is exactly what is taking place so when you have an occasion to wonder why so many pieces of the jihad puzzle keep falling into place, add this to your deliberations and ask yourself "Really? Could this all possibly be coincidence?" If the answer is yes, return to the field and insert head in soil. If the answer is no, educate yourself and educate those around you. What seeks to destroy you is not procrastinating; nor should you.

Indeed many of the foot soldiers of multiculturalism are in effect hastening their own demise by name calling or obstructing those who are warning of its danger. I once read a book called 'Eat the rich' by Gore Vidal, it covered Sweden as an example of good socialism. Since then the once homogeneous nature of Sweden, which allowed its generous welfare state to function has been rapidly collapsing due to a flood of Muslim immigrants. Now they have no go zones, soaring crime, the OECD's highest rape statistics and bankrupt local governments. Yet anyone who complains is called a racist and hung out to dry in a manner some totalitarian Countries would struggle to beat.

It is vital to citizens of the UK to look to other European countries and their incorporation of mulsims into their fabric. This will be a very good indicator of what is in store for UK. Sweden is a prime example, and if may suggest IMO, the last place on earth one would expect this.

Multiculturalism is a political tool to dilute the glue that binds sovereign peoples. Its goal is to make null the glue that prevents subordination of people to regional and global governance (tradition, the land, the ancestors, endemic religion, fraternity); clearly the subject of another topic. However, it is in this vacuum, created by the marginalizing of the host and making relative all ethics and behavior, that islam ascends. Islam is not ascending because it is an agreeable ideology or superior polity. Islam ascends in the west because the west have corrupted their own wretched house and like a parasite it feeds off the host; the main point here is it is not symbiotic- it will destroy the host! Just wake up every day for 2 weeks and read the news for one hour, twice a day. Draw your own conclusions about if UK has a jihad problem.

Swedish Social Democratic political party is a populist far-right wing group with roots in Swedish neo Nazi movements.

This resulted in protest and agression from both groups as soon as their popularity grew. Not the way around like in your youtube video...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11095675/Swedens-Social-Democrats-set-to-reclaim-power-as-far-right-make-historic-gains.html

https://libcom.org/news/rise-swedish-fascism-30052014

There have been several arson attacks on Malmo mosque and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_Mosque

Cartoonist Lars Vills made the prophet look like a dog and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Vilks_Muhammad_drawings_controversy

Is your footage not pure ultra right political Swedish propaganda and not really a good example to make any projection to the UK jihadi issue in OP ?

More apologist BS. 'It was the cartoonists fault', 'a mosque was attacked' blah blah. Nothing is ever the fault of the Islamists is it?

[H1w4yR1da]

Theologist Peter Hammond is known as a Christian homophobic reformist.

He's founder and director of SA Frontline Fellowship

'Homophobic'?

Strange you should mention someone's apparent homophobia (not every one likes gays, you know) yet ignore the ingrained homophobia in the religion of Islam which you seem to defend at all times.

[simple1]

Theologist Peter Hammond is known as a Christian homophobic reformist.

He's founder and director of SA Frontline Fellowship

'Homophobic'?

Strange you should mention someone's apparent homophobia (not every one likes gays, you know) yet ignore the ingrained homophobia in the religion of Islam which you seem to defend at all times.

Apologist...

[arjunadawn]

You mention "now germany;" it is even darker then this. Sweden is a foregone conclusion. Sweden does not even have a chance, UK does. Norway, France... it is a sad, tragic list.

This is population jihad, otherwise known in Islamic jurisprudence as "Hijra[h]." This migration jihad is exactly what is taking place so when you have an occasion to wonder why so many pieces of the jihad puzzle keep falling into place, add this to your deliberations and ask yourself "Really? Could this all possibly be coincidence?" If the answer is yes, return to the field and insert head in soil. If the answer is no, educate yourself and educate those around you. What seeks to destroy you is not procrastinating; nor should you.

Indeed many of the foot soldiers of multiculturalism are in effect hastening their own demise by name calling or obstructing those who are warning of its danger. I once read a book called 'Eat the rich' by Gore Vidal, it covered Sweden as an example of good socialism. Since then the once homogeneous nature of Sweden, which allowed its generous welfare state to function has been rapidly collapsing due to a flood of Muslim immigrants. Now they have no go zones, soaring crime, the OECD's highest rape statistics and bankrupt local governments. Yet anyone who complains is called a racist and hung out to dry in a manner some totalitarian Countries would struggle to beat.

It is vital to citizens of the UK to look to other European countries and their incorporation of mulsims into their fabric. This will be a very good indicator of what is in store for UK. Sweden is a prime example, and if may suggest IMO, the last place on earth one would expect this.

Multiculturalism is a political tool to dilute the glue that binds sovereign peoples. Its goal is to make null the glue that prevents subordination of people to regional and global governance (tradition, the land, the ancestors, endemic religion, fraternity); clearly the subject of another topic. However, it is in this vacuum, created by the marginalizing of the host and making relative all ethics and behavior, that islam ascends. Islam is not ascending because it is an agreeable ideology or superior polity. Islam ascends in the west because the west have corrupted their own wretched house and like a parasite it feeds off the host; the main point here is it is not symbiotic- it will destroy the host! Just wake up every day for 2 weeks and read the news for one hour, twice a day. Draw your own conclusions about if UK has a jihad problem.

Swedish Social Democratic political party is a populist far-right wing group with roots in Swedish neo Nazi movements.

This resulted in protest and agression from both groups as soon as their popularity grew. Not the way around like in your youtube video...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11095675/Swedens-Social-Democrats-set-to-reclaim-power-as-far-right-make-historic-gains.html

https://libcom.org/news/rise-swedish-fascism-30052014

There have been several arson attacks on Malmo mosque and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_Mosque

Cartoonist Lars Vills made the prophet look like a dog and resulted in protest and agression.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Vilks_Muhammad_drawings_controversy

Is your footage not pure ultra right political Swedish propaganda and not really a good example to make any projection to the UK jihadi issue in OP ?

As you quote me twice, I will assume your post responds primarily to me. Your post would be true... if it were true! It is not. All your post does it look at the very same issue as I have noted, from a reverse perspective, declared your observation valid, and suggested mine is not.

First, any man who thinks portraying any person who ever lived in any manner they choose, cartoonist or otherwise, is a defense for rage and death, "protest and aggression," defines himself for posterity and what follows such a statement must be weighed in this light. This statement defines dhimmitude- it is the goal of shar'ia: Subservience to Islam and the muslim masters.

From the Buddhas of Bumiyan to the Pyramids of Egypt jihadis are destroying or calling for the destruction of everything... well, everything in the world that is civilization! This race to revise history is broadly applied in islamization throughout the world addressing other people's scriptures, claims of the sciences, and other dubious nonsense. Islamists broadly attack everything and everyone christian or Jew, hindu or buddhist, and actually have the least regard for atheists.

Islamic jihad holds not one single element of western civilization's inheritance sacrosanct! Nothing! Yet you would imply a cartoonist provokes "aggression?"

As jihadi ambitions rise, so to will anti jihadi sentiment. It will express itself through different means in various locations. In Sweden, for many Swedes, the observations I make represent valid issues. For you, and perhaps representative of some Swedes, your rebuttal represents them. The difference is, my observation allows for both because I am looking at the causative Agent and its results, and I also don't pepper my comments with contrary words to "nazi," "islamophobe," etc. I dont seek to make my argument the better by making others seem less credible.

Your argument is defined by the quality of what you say, and how you respect those you address. You clearly have a history of pejoratives, and you are also not correct on details. On a given point where you are correct, such as perhaps here somewhat, you don't explain that it due to a response to unbridled immigration, islamization, and jihadi deportment. Your post suggests that these things happen only because.. what? Because jihadis are there? This responses to muslim jihad are really self generated hate? You either dont see it, or you intentionally avoid the context.

So, your premise- by noting a Swedish party is right wing- clearly serves the direction you wish to paint the issue; and then your various posits to support that premise, suggest... what? A continued, idyllic enclave that is only upset by the fascist ambitions of this party and their ilk? How utterly absurd. The events in Sweden are increasingly islamist, and the attendant consequences to islamization.

Yes, indeed, UK should definitely look to not only the causative agents provoking "Civilization Jihad" in other countries but learn the lesson, that you've addressed above, how peoples will show their varying responses to theocracy and brutality.

[dhream]

Unless we don't wake up and do some serious 'smiting' soon, then the gibbering jihadists will have a 'British' problem, and a final solution to deal with it.

They are the ones who seek 'paradise' so let's help the vermin find the express lane to oblivion! (No wonder they want to die, what a crap pleasure-denying, god-grovelling, fearful, hyper-judgemental, way to live!)

[dhream]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

and that is what is going to happen in the not too distant future, I sure pity any young folk growing up in the UK today.

I am no friend of these scum.

But this comment is just utter total and complete bullshit.

You can't turn back the clock, and absent someone breaking the law of the land, you cannot retain your humanity and suggest a mass internment and or deportation.

Their countries are not multicultural, but you hold that up as a good thing, Saying, we should be like them? Are you completely out of your mind? Look at them! They even hate each other! Is that how you want the UK to be? A cesspit of hate? A war zone in you street Sandbags and body searches in Tesco and the pub?

Don't say it's all down to them, cos it is crap. Plenty skins would love to get the ovens fired up, I for one would happily shoot anyone who wanted to take us into a holocaust scenario, whether he was Muslim or British.

The backlash would really hit home then, you can be sure of that. What can happen is to let time dilute the influence of Islam on the population. It will die out like Christianity has. And at one time, that was as bad as IS (inquisition anyone?) Putting the bovver boot in will only harden the moderates and prolong the struggle and strengthen their nutters. Any thinking person can see that. Civilization always prevails, maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will overcome barbarism, so don't be barbaric.

That does not mean be a doormat, IS need to be eliminated, but not the entire Islamic world with it. They never bothered us anyway, until the blundering CIA pissed them off beyond all comprehension, but everyone forgets we reaped the whirlwind in our lust for oil.

As to your other ridiculous assertion, IF every other non-muslim stayed at home on voting day, and IF there were enough Muslim MP's to form a party (they can't even agree amongst themselves in Iraq!) AND THEN form a majority in the house, then yes, and I hear a squadron of pigs warming up at Biggin Hill as we speak.

You guys just look like fools when you write alarmist tosh like this. It spreads unnecessary fear among people with even less sense than you -and a scared idiot is a real friendly-fire hazard! And thus aids your enemy.

Get a bloody grip man!

Edited September 20, 2014 by dhream

[NoshowJones]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

and that is what is going to happen in the not too distant future, I sure pity any young folk growing up in the UK today.

I am no friend of these scum.

But this comment is just utter total and complete bullshit.

IF every other non-muslim stayed at home on voting day, and IF there were enough Muslim MP's to form a party (they can't even agree amongst themselves in Iraq!) AND THEN form a majority in the house, then yes, and I hear a squadron of pigs warming up at Biggin Hill as we speak.

You guys just look like fools when you write alarmist tosh like this. It spreads unnecessary fear among people with even less sense than you -and a scared idiot is a real friendly-fire hazard! And thus aids your enemy.

Get a bloody grip man!

Nothing that happens in the UK would surprise me anymore, there is more I could say,but I do not want to risk a suspension.

[Ulysses G.]

What does any of that have to do with British jihadis fighting with the ISIS terrorists? Radical Islamic apologists are always trying to change the subject - distract and deceive.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Mosha]

How many people here are from the culturally enriched areas, eg Tower Hamlets, Luton, W.Yorks? Where in the correct places you can see that black rag flying?

[Ulysses G.]

I agree all the social aspects you mention above contribute to alienation that in turn provides a fertile breeding ground for Islamic extremism. The same factors exist in non Muslim UK, but they very rarely engage in organised extreme violence / cruelty against their own society or others. So there must be something stirred into the pot and that, from my POV, is Salafism, or to be more precise with those joining Islamic State, Salafi-Takfiris

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri

simple1 is pretty much the only Muslim poster that I pay much attention to on here. His posts are thoughtful and add real insights into the mindset of moderate Muslims. The other Muslims and their defenders do everything they can to distract from and minimize the hateful activities of the radicals, while claiming to not support them.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[NoshowJones]

YES!!! Over the past several years in England the militants etc. have hidden behind the protection of the governments "politically correct" agenda. "Do not say anything to offend them", we are multicultural, why is it though that in their country there is no such thing as multicultural? well, it is too late, they have taken over I am sad to say.

p.s. It is a well known fact that by the year 2021 their will be enough muslims in the uk to vote in an islamic government....

and that is what is going to happen in the not too distant future, I sure pity any young folk growing up in the UK today.

I am no friend of these scum.

But this comment is just utter total and complete bullshit.

You can't turn back the clock, and absent someone breaking the law of the land, you cannot retain your humanity and suggest a mass internment and or deportation.

Their countries are not multicultural, but you hold that up as a good thing, Saying, we should be like them? Are you completely out of your mind? Look at them! They even hate each other! Is that how you want the UK to be? A cesspit of hate? A war zone in you street Sandbags and body searches in Tesco and the pub?

Don't say it's all down to them, cos it is crap. Plenty skins would love to get the ovens fired up, I for one would happily shoot anyone who wanted to take us into a holocaust scenario, whether he was Muslim or British.

The backlash would really hit home then, you can be sure of that. What can happen is to let time dilute the influence of Islam on the population. It will die out like Christianity has. And at one time, that was as bad as IS (inquisition anyone?) Putting the bovver boot in will only harden the moderates and prolong the struggle and strengthen their nutters. Any thinking person can see that. Civilization always prevails, maybe not in our lifetimes, but it will overcome barbarism, so don't be barbaric.

That does not mean be a doormat, IS need to be eliminated, but not the entire Islamic world with it. They never bothered us anyway, until the blundering CIA pissed them off beyond all comprehension, but everyone forgets we reaped the whirlwind in our lust for oil.

As to your other ridiculous assertion, IF every other non-muslim stayed at home on voting day, and IF there were enough Muslim MP's to form a party (they can't even agree amongst themselves in Iraq!) AND THEN form a majority in the house, then yes, and I hear a squadron of pigs warming up at Biggin Hill as we speak.

You guys just look like fools when you write alarmist tosh like this. It spreads unnecessary fear among people with even less sense than you -and a scared idiot is a real friendly-fire hazard! And thus aids your enemy.

Get a bloody grip man!

Like I said to the last poster on this subject, there is more I could say, but I won't, except it is not me who needs to get a grip.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies and have been deleted.

[Thorgal]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

[mccw]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

It's legal and already happening. Only if they have no other nationality they think can not do it but if they are fighting for Islamic state they have documents for that "country" so there's the loop hole- they should do it; let them stay there and be Islamic state people. Too dangerous to let them back in.

[transam]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

We do take passports away from pedos, ..............

Many of my family have never had a passport, are they stateless...?

[Thorgal]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

It's legal and already happening. Only if they have no other nationality they think can not do it but if they are fighting for Islamic state they have documents for that "country" so there's the loop hole- they should do it; let them stay there and be Islamic state people. Too dangerous to let them back in.

IS has no sovereignty. And no such passports or citizenship ever existed.

Can UK and others within coalition forces legally start air strikes on British citizens outside their legal boundaries ?

Edited September 20, 2014 by Thorgal

[Mosha]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

Taking a pp away does not make them stateless.

[Thorgal]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

Taking a pp away does not make them stateless.

Cameron wants to strip their citizenship...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/01/anti-terror-policy-legal-political-opposition-jihadis-uk

See video.

Edited September 20, 2014 by Thorgal

[mccw]

I saw on the news the other day that IS were issueing passports for thier own people/ fighters so they can move around thier areas check points wtc. Just coz they no good for inter travel not our problem. UK prerogative is to keep out these horrible excuses for humans; these ethnic cleansers ; they should be kept out and any supporters inside the country found and deported to join their mates. Drop em off at 30,000 feet only joking. Let them walk from turkey across the desert past all the poor Kurdis refugees currently trekking the other way; with no weapons of course, in nothing but hand cuffs and under pants with IS supporters sign hanging round their necks. Fair enough? Considering the genocide and ethnic cleansing they are supporting to carry out; and the innocents prepared to kill anywhere in the world. The supporters are not innocent at all. See if they can make it walking to their dream of Islamic state

[Ulysses G.]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

Charge them with treason and hang them instead. That will solve the problem.

[Credo]

A country can remove the citizenship of a naturalized citizen. It (generally) can't remove the citizenship of a native born citizen. The UK has said they will strip citizenship from naturalized citizens even if it leaves them stateless.

Some of this is bluster, however, since removing citizenship will require legal action and if they take legal action then it might just be best to go for the conviction of a crime and imprison them. Stripping them of their citizenship is of little value if you can't deport them to somewhere and it would not be in anyone's interest to deport someone who is a terrorist.

[Mosha]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

Taking a pp away does not make them stateless.

Cameron wants to strip their citizenship...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/01/anti-terror-policy-legal-political-opposition-jihadis-uk

See video.

I didn't have 1 until my late 20s, and I've no problem with what Cameron wants, If they will fire on British citizens serving overseas. Put a bullet in their head, and feed them to pigs

[mccw]

Removing passports from jihadi UK born citizens returning home would breach UK common law and international law.

You can't make a person stateless.

Taking a pp away does not make them stateless.

Cameron wants to strip their citizenship...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/01/anti-terror-policy-legal-political-opposition-jihadis-uk

See video.

Common law is subservient to statute.

So parliament could pass a law to make the PMs good sense prefectpy legal under our UK laws. Problem is the ECHM would probably come a long and bla bla bla. But at least keep em out for years while the EU chats about it; and give us another serious issue to press at the renegotiations of British EU membership. Likely the EU will not bend so another arrow to the now of the argument that we should withdraw and be free to take care of our country how we see fit- not some bunch of euro whimps.

The other "internation.law" is just guidelines; not enforceable and routinely ignored by most countries , especially the USA, when it suits them. Used as an excuse other times when wanting to critical of other or don't want to do something themselves.

So really; Cameron should show done back bone and do what needs to be done.