Key witness says foreigner kills British tourists

[green job]

People by and large don't realize just how far and how low Thais will go to fabricate a story, save face and save their butts.

It's quite obvious to anyone with any day to day knowledge of Thailand what is going on here; why the BIB said this, why the BIB said that, why the BIB played for time, why the crime scene was fouled, why the junta said whatever, what the headman's ploy was with his reward and alibis, why foreign social media was criticized etc etc ...yawn...

And we are all supposed to act dumb and soak up this nonsense like uneducated serfs living in a bygone age.

What to do? If the Thai authorities cannot face the truth, should this not be raised to an international rather than a domestic issue?

Although this was a great tragedy for the family, does it really rate as one of the world's great crisis that demands international investigation? What about all the Thais who die annually?

Look mate, its a great tragedy also forThailand. Yes it does rate very very high,and demands a international investigation. Thailand will not slip out of this one

that is guaranteed. The whole world is watching and waiting,mark my words.

[ParadiseLost]

Jesus - can everyone agree that the DNA sampling/processing/analysing was most likely compromised at some point, by someone, and please stop discussing sperm?

Or do you just really get a kick out of saying the word...

The same goes for any other intimate, private details - if it turns you on then just read all the other threads relating to the murders...

[lostinisaan]

Reading through the net makes me believe that the killer(s) will never be found, similar to the plane. Just disappeared.

Great police work, right from the beginning, unbelievable good "forensic experts" and more.

Edited September 27, 2014 by lostinisaan

[Wilsonandson]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

How do you explain that the police only found DNA on the outside of the condom and that this DNA belonged to the victim David Miller?

[lucaswallachia]

Maybe the 'key' witness may have not seen the crime but overheard the perpetrators talking about committing the crime.

[Chutney]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

Think too much.

[tifino]

Blaming the Russians would fit a lot of the missing links, and would be enough to satisfy any weak Thai mindset about the foreigner angle on this witness's angle.

Russia and it's federation (lets say over the entire USSR as it was) have many ethnicities - There are East Asian, West Asian, Mongoloid, Slavic... the list goes on.

Many Russians we openly think of as Mafia - so their tendency towards violence and murder goes hand in hand

[dealthedice]

******

How do you explain that the police only found DNA on the outside of the condom and that this DNA belonged to the victim David Miller?

Source for this one?

[CantSpell]

Really wish some TV moderator made some sort of a time line (special thread maybe) about the different statements that have been made over two weeks:

Its a foreigner

its a Birman

we are closing in on thusday

We will arrest them wedsndsay

Could be a local

Maybe is not a local

Sean had blood on guitar..

Its a foreigner...

Army is registering all alien workers

Alien has landed...

Alien is cleared; he only killed predator...

we start from begiining but have many clues...

less statement, more truth please

[green job]

People by and large don't realize just how far and how low Thais will go to fabricate a story, save face and save their butts.

It's quite obvious to anyone with any day to day knowledge of Thailand what is going on here; why the BIB said this, why the BIB said that, why the BIB played for time, why the crime scene was fouled, why the junta said whatever, what the headman's ploy was with his reward and alibis, why foreign social media was criticized etc etc ...yawn...

And we are all supposed to act dumb and soak up this nonsense like uneducated serfs living in a bygone age.

What to do? If the Thai authorities cannot face the truth, should this not be raised to an international rather than a domestic issue?

Although this was a great tragedy for the family, does it really rate as one of the world's great crisis that demands international investigation? What about all the Thais who die annually?

Look mate, its a great tragedy also forThailand. Yes it does rate very very high,and demands a international investigation. Thailand will not slip out of this one

that is guaranteed. The whole world is watching and waiting,mark my words.

I would just like to add, Yes we hear about the 13k pounds the Thai police have offered for info on the case......All I can say is once the people of the UK contribute to a fund ( which they will ) they will make things very dificult for anyone involved.

[lucaswallachia]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

How do you explain that the police only found DNA on the outside of the condom and that this DNA belonged to the victim David Miller?

I thought the DNA belonged to Hannah?

[bannork]

People by and large don't realize just how far and how low Thais will go to fabricate a story, save face and save their butts.

It's quite obvious to anyone with any day to day knowledge of Thailand what is going on here; why the BIB said this, why the BIB said that, why the BIB played for time, why the crime scene was fouled, why the junta said whatever, what the headman's ploy was with his reward and alibis, why foreign social media was criticized etc etc ...yawn...

And we are all supposed to act dumb and soak up this nonsense like uneducated serfs living in a bygone age.

What to do? If the Thai authorities cannot face the truth, should this not be raised to an international rather than a domestic issue?

Although this was a great tragedy for the family, does it really rate as one of the world's great crisis that demands international investigation? What about all the Thais who die annually?

Where?

jb1

Thai worry about their own in their own way. Indifference.

We take care of our own in our own way. Compassion.

These two were special, because they really were going to do some good works in this world.

A senseless act that nobody can understand.

What nonsense, every day Thai newspapers have pictures of Thais crying over lost loved ones. today the tragic story of a toddler, not yet 2, run over and killed by the school van reversing.

Have you seen the photos of the farangs whooping it up at Koh Tao on the Monday night, not even 24 hours after the murders? they're having a great time.

[MikePhuket1970]

Reading through the net makes me believe that the killer(s) will never be found, similar to the plane. Just disappeared.

Great police work, right from the beginning, unbelievable good "forensic experts" and more.

Yeah,great cover up work from the RTP.

My advise:

Get DNA samples from the two guys (mon∧ his police mate),which followed Sean

to the 7/11 store and Sean had made the picture of them.

Should be done from institution outside this country(all other not trustworthy).

Now compare to two the semen found on Hannah(hopefully british authorities have also some probe...)

Crime solved,case closed

[Wilsonandson]

I apologize, it was Hannah's DNA not Davids on the outside of the condom. Very sorry this mistake.

[Jeremy50]

Did this "key witness" have night vision googles? I checked the weather report on that date and time and they said it was DARK.

It was dark, and the murder took place between two large rocks. The so-called witness couldn't possibly have seen that the atrocity was being carried out by non-Thai Asians unless he was just a few feet away, close enough to hear them speaking a foreign language. That would have almost made him a participant. And having supposedly witnessed such a horrific scene why didn't he go running up the street screaming for help? Why? Because he was never there.

Either that, or the witness was somewhere close by and saw the suspects coming from the direction where the killings happened. But that would mean the witness didn't see the actual murders take place, thus the headline shouldn't be "foreigner killed British tourists", but rather something like "a new eye-witness saw foreign men near the scene of the murder at XX am in the morning.".

Way or another, if the killer was in fact a foreigner (headline states only "killer", wasn't there supposed to be many, and how about the 2 Asian DNA samples found?), wouldn't you think that the eye-witness would have had guts to come out earlier than in what, 11 or 12 days after the events? He or she could had been a local hero for revealing foreign killer before or at the time when local families were suspected. And I'm sure local families would had been more than glad to provide the witness all protection he/her needed to toast out this foreign killer - assuming of course, that "the foreigner" isn't connected to the mafia itself.

This case is getting more and more confusing day by day. Well... at least the police's statements given to media are.

Or could the 'witness' have been a peeping tom. The rocks would have given him cover to get close up, close enough to see and hear. He didn't come forward for days because he felt ashamed of his nocturnal activities,and didn't want to be exposed. Parks and beaches are a magnet for these types. Sorry, rather contradicts my previous post.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[davidstipek]

Now that they have Information from Key Witness that the Killer was a Foreigner....

Is it not time to open the "Doors" for an outside Police/Investigation Team?? I think so since they just unlocked it!

Those from the Police Force here have released this new information, So they have by admitting it was a Foreigner.... Opened the door for Immigration to be greated at the airport by a Highly Polished Team of Professional DNA Analyst's and Police Co-Workers.... If they are refused access to crime sceen and Samples. They will have an extremely difficult way trying to explain they finger pointing at a population of less than 1% and why they feel it is against the rights of Thai Citizens (and an imbarrassment) to be asked for DNA Sample?

If I was Thai... I would be first in line to prove that it wasn't me... As I would hope other Thai's would do to save Face in their Country and the Face of their Kingdom...

Don't the police know that all they have to do to get DNA and Fingerprint Samples is to offer each a small bottle of water... Then Bag it...?

I thought Thailand was still under Martial Law....

Why and how can a Police Officer make this Statement...

"Pol Maj Gen Suwat, who is one of the best investigators at the MPB, defended the mass collection of DNA samples, saying police were not doing it simply at their own will but would be on persons who were suspected otherwise it could infringe on the rights and freedom of the people which is against the law."

Who has the right to say no to the P.M. at this injunture? (I want a sample of your DNA... No! Can't have it!.... F.Y!... here have a glass of beer and calm down... Thanks! .... F.Y! I got my sample.... Here guys... Bag it!!!)

When His Bosses Boss (The P.M.) Has stated that everyone in a defined radus will have their DNA Tested!

Have we heard of any retractions of any Statements by Maj Gen Suwat??

Edited September 27, 2014 by davidstipek

[cekipa]

Just how many more times will key evidence, suspects, etc be released? Why don't they keep their incompetent mouths shut

Look at the pic. How would you expect him to do that ....

[lostinisaan]

Reading through the net makes me believe that the killer(s) will never be found, similar to the plane. Just disappeared.

Great police work, right from the beginning, unbelievable good "forensic experts" and more.

Yeah,great cover up work from the RTP.

My advise:

Get DNA samples from the two guys (mon∧ his police mate),which followed Sean

to the 7/11 store and Sean had made the picture of them.

Should be done from institution outside this country(all other not trustworthy).

Now compare to two the semen found on Hannah(hopefully british authorities have also some probe...)

Crime solved,case closed

Get hold of Sean, as he'd lived there for so long and knows what happened and who it did. Blood on his shirt didn't seem to interest anybody here.

Sean would be good in a competition as a "story teller" at our competition tomorrow. Sure impromptu, not memorized......

Edited September 27, 2014 by lostinisaan

[Goshawk]

YA and it was ape on holiday from gibraltar

With the way this farce is twisting & turning . . . if i were a wild macaque living on Koh Tao, i'd be currently strapping coconuts to bamboo then heading sharpish down to the surf. Before they decide to pin it on me & my ilk - 'cos the investigation couldn't possibly get any sillier than this latest OP headline . . could it?

[traviss]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

How do you explain that the police only found DNA on the outside of the condom and that this DNA belonged to the victim David Miller?

I thought the DNA belonged to Hannah?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Investigation-into-Koh-Tao-murders-seriously-flawe-30244163.html

[Wilsonandson]

Reading through the net makes me believe that the killer(s) will never be found, similar to the plane. Just disappeared.

Great police work, right from the beginning, unbelievable good "forensic experts" and more.

Yeah,great cover up work from the RTP.

My advise:

Get DNA samples from the two guys (mon∧ his police mate),which followed Sean

to the 7/11 store and Sean had made the picture of them.

Should be done from institution outside this country(all other not trustworthy).

Now compare to two the semen found on Hannah(hopefully british authorities have also some probe...)

Crime solved,case closed

Get hold of Sean, as he'd lived there for so long and knows what happened and who it did. Blood on his shirt didn't seem to interest anybody here.

Sean would be good in a competition as a "story teller" at our competition tomorrow. Sure impromptu, not memorized......

Give Mike the job of chief crime investigator on ko tao! His viewpoints are what most people believe is what really happened.

[beautifulthailand99]

Blaming the Russians would fit a lot of the missing links, and would be enough to satisfy any weak Thai mindset about the foreigner angle on this witness's angle.

Russia and it's federation (lets say over the entire USSR as it was) have many ethnicities - There are East Asian, West Asian, Mongoloid, Slavic... the list goes on.

Many Russians we openly think of as Mafia - so their tendency towards violence and murder goes hand in hand

Anybody other than that of the village headman's family would do.

[JOC]

People by and large don't realize just how far and how low Thais will go to fabricate a story, save face and save their butts.

It's quite obvious to anyone with any day to day knowledge of Thailand what is going on here; why the BIB said this, why the BIB said that, why the BIB played for time, why the crime scene was fouled, why the junta said whatever, what the headman's ploy was with his reward and alibis, why foreign social media was criticized etc etc ...yawn...

And we are all supposed to act dumb and soak up this nonsense like uneducated serfs living in a bygone age.

What to do? If the Thai authorities cannot face the truth, should this not be raised to an international rather than a domestic issue?

Although this was a great tragedy for the family, does it really rate as one of the world's great crisis that demands international investigation? What about all the Thais who die annually?

Look mate, its a great tragedy also forThailand. Yes it does rate very very high,and demands a international investigation. Thailand will not slip out of this one

that is guaranteed. The whole world is watching and waiting,mark my words.

"the whole world is wacthing"

No my friend, most people have never heard of the case, and even if they had, they couldn't care less.

In a world where 2000+ killed in Gaza is largely ignored, you can't expect any international interest for a couple of backpackers killed on a Thai island. Sad but that is the way it is!

[Neeranam]

If the condom had the deceased DNA on the outside and nothing on the inside, it has to be the hoe that raped him.

[Chutney]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

How do you explain that the police only found DNA on the outside of the condom and that this DNA belonged to the victim David Miller?

It wasn't DMs. It was HWs. There is information which explains why and also why there was no DNA inside the condom. You can find it in one of my posts if you really want to look but I'm not going to go into it all again on here. It's vile and sickening and the constant graphic nature of such details continue to erode the dignity of the victims.

[Wilsonandson]

People by and large don't realize just how far and how low Thais will go to fabricate a story, save face and save their butts.

It's quite obvious to anyone with any day to day knowledge of Thailand what is going on here; why the BIB said this, why the BIB said that, why the BIB played for time, why the crime scene was fouled, why the juînta said whatever, what the headman's ploy was with his reward and alibis, why foreign social media was criticized etc etc ...yawn...

And we are all supposed to act dumb and soak up this nonsense like uneducated serfs living in a bygone age.

What to do? If the Thai authorities cannot face the truth, should this not be raised to an international rather than a domestic issue?

Although this was a great tragedy for the family, does it really rate as one of the world's great crisis that demands international investigation? What about all the Thais who die annually?

Look mate, its a great tragedy also forThailand. Yes it does rate very very high,and demands a international investigation. Thailand will not slip out of this one

that is guaranteed. The whole world is watching and waiting,mark my words.

"the whole world is wacthing"

No my friend, most people have never heard of the case, and even if they had, they couldn't care less.

In a world where 2000+ killed in Gaza is largely ignored, you can't expect any international interest for a couple of backpackers killed on a Thai island. Sad but that is the way it is!

Every major newspaper in Great Britain covered this story. Go visit Richard Barrows website and his coverage of the murders to see the front pages of these newspapers. Never has such an event about Thailand been more published since red shirt protests of 2010.

[traviss]

I just wonder if the investigating police get's their news from China?

British police killed two tourists in Thailand beach .....

Read more on:

http://www.hostingenews.com/news-8857632.html

Wow...At least they are trying. Wonder if they have picked up on the recent events involving the Chinese in Phuket and Pattaya?

Thai police hunt British man after backpackers murdered with hoe and left naked on beach...

a bit better here...http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1593136/naked-bodies-two-murdered-british-tourists-found-thailand-beach

Edited September 27, 2014 by traviss

[greenchair]

My wife read something yesterday that mentioned the Police had a witness to the murder and didn't come forward earlier because he/she was afraid for their life.

A few days back, I began to think about everything I've read since this tragedy occurred and felt that their were 3 people involved in these murders...I remembered they spoke of 3 people playing guitar on the beach and then I remembered that one Farang who I will not name, but I'm sure all of you know who it is, plays guitar on the island. He lives on the island and knows all the local Thai's around the bar area etc... I'm sure he does drugs and from what I've read, loves to drink. Since this whole matter started, he has given conflicting stories to the press. It all began when he said that he was supposed to have met David that evening, but he was too hung over and slept in to making statements that his friend David was killed because he went to Hannah's defense against some locals who were harrassing her at the bar and David walked her back to the hotel when the attack occurred. Then you have the story that a bar girl the evening of the murders saw this Farang full of blood and his story was that he was involved in an accident or a fight...how could that be when he was hung over and in bed asleep? I thought of all this and kept thinking...I really believe this guy is involved, but the semen found was of two Asians...so how does he tie into it? Then I heard about the condom and that was the last piece to my puzzle. The Farang used the condom and the two Thai's did not. It sounds stupid, but when you are on drugs and alcohol you do stupid things and from this Farang's movements...two Thai's threatened to kill him etc... I put it that he is not just a once in a while drug user of Ya ba, but he is an addict and he was having anxiety attacks due to the use of drugs and doing something bad that was eating at him and how was he going to cover it up...too many things going on in his head to think straight. He's already a convicted perv from readings in the UK news, so who knows what else he has done that nobody knows about and had chosen to live his life in a tiny island at such a young age. His stories don't check out, but I do believe his life was threatened by these two Thai's that he took pictures of, but not because they were out to make him a patsy, but because the Farang was unstable and the two Thai guys were afraid that he would eventually open his mouth about what happened or contradict himself even more to the point where the Police would eventually realize that he is a prime suspect and during interrogations, he would rat out the two Thai guys...who are the two that he took pictures of and wanted to silence him to cover their own back sides. Then there's the sympathy notes from all the friends, including David's Farang friend on Koh Tao who seemed to be the best heartfelt note I read from all the friends...this tells me that he has deep issues and was so sympathetic and heartfelt because he did something so terrible.

Anyhow...these are just my thoughts and if I'm wrong in every way, I really hope to GOD that the Authorities don't move on my thoughts as they are just thoughts and I'm not the professional...just a bystander with deep sympathy for what happened to these two young souls and wants justice to the "REAL" animals who brought this tragedy to all of our lives. I just can't help but think and try and piece it together...maybe just to settle my emotions from this gruesome act.

These are just my thoughts...and not professionally so please no CSI jokes etc...I'm just venting out my own thoughts.

Think too much.

You are not the only who been wandering about these things.

He was asleep , but woke up to go and play guitar in the early hours.

And why would these guys go . To thrra

[yougivemebaby]

Now I know why they 'police' don't want any real help (FBI, etc) . A real cop or investigator would see immediately through all this crap and expose the cover ups. They are simply waiting to find someone who they can pin this on. If the real story with real evidence ever gets out there I'm sure this will be a movie.

I hope the backpackers and other tourists take this as a warning to stay out of these areas!