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OK, starting to think about a plan for a new U.S. passport.

I know there is a bit of extra work needed if you have a current visa or extension.

While I realize most U.S. expats get their new U.S. passport in Bangkok, I want to ask about another option, getting it back in the U.S. to determine whether that would be feasible (or not!)

So I have technical questions ... maybe someone can advise.

1. Starting with current U.S. passport with an annual retirement extension.

2. Get a reentry permit.

3. Travel to the U.S.

4. Apply for and get a new U.S. passport (assume they mail back the used passport as well).

Question: How long does that take these days?

5. Fly back to Thailand holding both passports.

Question: as the reentry permit is in the OLD passport ... does than mean it would be hard to be allowed to board the airplane (no visa)?

6. Question: On landing card can you write the reentry permit from the OLD passport and will they honor it?

Question: Assuming yes to that, will they stamp in the permission to stay in the OLD passport or the new passport?

Or what? I really don't know.

7. Assuming you're stamped in one of the passports, then

Question: you go to the immigration office where you got the extension to transfer your visa and extension into your new passport, correct?

If this is possible, anyone tried it recently?

If I got this all wrong and even asked the wrong questions, sorry, I tried!

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1 to 3 ok

4. It takes 4 to 6 weeks if you do a mail in application and they do send your old passport back with the new one. Pay $60 for expedited service and you can have it about 10 days. You can get it here at the embassy in about 10 days with no added charges.

6. Yes You will give them both passports and they will stamp you in your new one using the re-entry permit in your old one.

7. Then you go to immigration immigration to have the stamp transferred to the new one. Since you will be using Jomtien they do not ask for a letter from the embassy.

State department passport page: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english.html

In my opinion it would be better to get your passport here. ACS page here: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/passports.html

I did it here last year without a hitch. Planned and did it just before my extension was due. Had email saying it was at the embassy 10 days after I applied.

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Recently I was in the United States and did exactly what you are asking about.

Because I already had a passport, it was quite quick, only about 10 days.

And I had my retirement extension and reentry permit in the old one.

Flew into Bangkok, presented both passports. I had no problem at all. They simply stamped my entry into the new one and used the expiration date of my retirement extension as the amount of time I was allowed to stay.

Then I went to Immigration, filled out one form (request to transfer info from the old to the new). I did this at the same time I renewed my retirement extension. I got my new extension and they transferred the relevant stamps.

It was easy and no problem.

My new passport has my arrival, my new extension and the new re-entry (multiple) permit.

Please PM me if you'd like more information. I'm happy to help.

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1 to 3 ok

4. It takes 4 to 6 weeks if you do a mail in application and they do send your old passport back with the new one. Pay $60 for expedited service and you can have it about 10 days. You can get it here at the embassy in about 10 days with no added charges.

6. Yes You will give them both passports and they will stamp you in your new one using the re-entry permit in your old one.

7. Then you go to immigration immigration to have the stamp transferred to the new one. Since you will be using Jomtien they do not ask for a letter from the embassy.

State department passport page: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english.html

In my opinion it would be better to get your passport here. ACS page here: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/passports.html

I did it here last year without a hitch. Planned and did it just before my extension was due. Had email saying it was at the embassy 10 days after I applied.

" Since you will be using Jomtien they do not ask for a letter from the embassy."

You're undoubtedly right, but they took the letter from me, although I wasn't specifically asked for it. Usually when submitting an application for something if they don't need/want what I've handed them they hand it back to me. Probably if they did want something, they'd accept the official payment receipt for a passport that was issued in the US.

Interestingly, I've gotten my last 3 or 4 passports from US embassies where I was living at the time and they've indicated the passport was issued by the US Dept of State and the city where it was issued, the last two in Lusaka and Dubai. The one I just received only indicates it was issued by the US Dept of State, but nothing about getting it in Bangkok.

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Thanks for the great information.

It sounds like doing it in the U.S. is definitely a viable option anyway.

I am not needing this for some time yet, but I'm getting there.

Another related question.

Just to confirm my current understanding.

Now. if you go in for an annual extension and your passport is not valid for the entire upcoming year, they only give you an extension up to the date of the expiration of your passport, correct?

In other words, if your passport is valid for nine more months, the extension is only for nine more months, not the full year.

Another question, is there a MINIMUM amount of time that your passport needs to be valid to go in for a truncated annual extension?

For example, if your passport is only valid for four months, will they accept the annual extension application?

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Question: Jingting, is it possible that you're just W-A-Y too much into this visa stuff too much? I mean, come on, my friends think I'm a visa geek, but even I couldn't follow your OP.

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Mine was 4 months and they transferred the visa and extended it the remaining part of the that year to the normal date the day after I picked up the passport at the consulate with letter. At that time I had to travel Plok - CM and then NAN to get it all done, but had no problems with it - that was a few years back. They will transfer anything valid in your old passport to the new one - point out any current unused reentry permit so they don't miss it.

I have found that adding pages and replacing a passport is cheaper and faster if you do it here.

Posted (edited)

Mine was 4 months and they transferred the visa and extended it the remaining part of the that year to the normal date the day after I picked up the passport at the consulate with letter. At that time I had to travel Plok - CM and then NAN to get it all done, but had no problems with it - that was a few years back. They will transfer anything valid in your old passport to the new one - point out any current unused reentry permit so they don't miss it.

I have found that adding pages and replacing a passport is cheaper and faster if you do it here.

Thanks, but I think possibly your answer is not relevant being a few years back.

Or perhaps I am just not following what you said.

Perhaps I've confused issues here, as the OP was about new passport in the U.S. and I adding a totally new question about getting annual extensions on passports that don't have a full year left.

My understanding is that they have changed the policy and when applying for one year extension they will not give you the entire year extension if your current passport is not valid for the entire year ... only the amount of time until the expiration of your passport.

At least I think that's what your post was referring to anyway, and that report is just not recent enough given the change that I understood took place SINCE then.

Sorry if I haven't understood you.

Cheers.

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Question: Jingting, is it possible that you're just W-A-Y too much into this visa stuff too much? I mean, come on, my friends think I'm a visa geek, but even I couldn't follow your OP.

Quite possibly!

Anyway, Ubonjoe and some others happily did understand the question and I think I have the basic answer. Getting a new passport in the U.S. is a feasible option for those on extensions, but of course most people living here will continue to get new passports in Thailand.

Another geeky question, minor confirmation really.

In the scenario in the OP, I assume on the landing card you put the passport number of the new passport and the reentry permit number that is in the old passport.

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Getting it in the US is feasible, the only hitch might be having to go to Bangkok to get the letter to have your stamps transferred. I've gotten my last two in Bangkok since I haven't been back to the US since 1998. The last one took 8 days and had the stamps transferred and did my extension at the same time. The stamps took 1.5 pages.

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One question that has not been answered is the one about extensions with less than a year left on the passport.

Immigration since August of last year will only do an extension up to the date your passport expires. Then after you get a new passport you must go back and get a new extension when the shortened extension ends.

If you are a ways from needing the new passport you can also apply for it at one of the outreach visits instead of going to Bangkok. The next one in Pattaya is in January. See: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/consular_outreach.html

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Recently I was in the United States and did exactly what you are asking about.

Because I already had a passport, it was quite quick, only about 10 days.

I think you paid $60 to get it that quick and did the application at a passport agency.

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Apologies for gatecrashing this thread, but it seems to contain useful info for us Brits on the implications of a trip back home to renew our passports there - which definitely sounds like a far more attractive proposition for us than it does for you Americans in view of the horrendous procedures which our "beloved" Government now expects us to follow to do this locally!

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Apologies for gatecrashing this thread, but it seems to contain useful info for us Brits on the implications of a trip back home to renew our passports there - which definitely sounds like a far more attractive proposition for us than it does for you Americans in view of the horrendous procedures which our "beloved" Government now expects us to follow to do this locally!

If I was from the UK going there to get a passport would be an attractive option other than the extra cost.

The horrendous waiting time to get it with no certainty of how long it will take is the big problem. Even getting the appointment to apply is a problem.

I have seen a lot of complaints about having to go to Bangkok but for most of us from the states have to do that. But since I knew with certainty that it would be 2 weeks or less to get it and that I would be able to easily choose the date and time for the appointment to do the application I was able buy my tickets 4 months in advance for the 2 trips to get it.

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Thanks again for the help. This issue is new to me so it makes my brain hurt a bit.

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Just had my passport renewed at Chiang Mai went in on Thursday they put all of the relavant information into computer gave me back the old passport. I paid 110 dollars for new passport also requested extra pages at no additional cost. One week later received email your new passport is ready for pickup. I had a few things to do went in a week later picked up new passport after confirming all info was correct they put holes in the old passport and stamped it cancelled I will go to immigration in the next week or two and have the stamps transferred and then back in Nov. for renewal of extension of stay for retirement.

Jingthing they only gave me an extension for the validity of passport which expires in Dec and that is when my extension of stay expires.

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I once had a very difficult time checking in with UA in Chicago to fly to BKK (via NRT) because I didn't have the old passport that had the original Non-Immigrant O visa which had been extended for several years (retirement) in a new passport. It was very stressful, and based on the exact wording that the CSR (and a supervisor) quoted me from their computer, I could understand their position, though of course I totally disagreed with it. EVENTUALLY, the supervisor relented after I showed her the many entries I had made using the current passport on UA, and she let me check in. I forget the exact wording the computer had, but they did not want to acknowledge an "extension" with re-entry permit to be equivalent to a "visa." Of course, my offering that a "re-entry permit" authorized entering Thailand fell on deaf ears, as well. It was not a *visa* and by gum, they wanted to see a *visa.*

So, from then on, I have always carried the old passport with the original visa and can document the entire chain of extensions to current date with current passport. Of course, never had the problem again, but one never knows...

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I once had a very difficult time checking in with UA in Chicago to fly to BKK (via NRT) because I didn't have the old passport that had the original Non-Immigrant O visa which had been extended for several years (retirement) in a new passport. It was very stressful, and based on the exact wording that the CSR (and a supervisor) quoted me from their computer, I could understand their position, though of course I totally disagreed with it. EVENTUALLY, the supervisor relented after I showed her the many entries I had made using the current passport on UA, and she let me check in. I forget the exact wording the computer had, but they did not want to acknowledge an "extension" with re-entry permit to be equivalent to a "visa." Of course, my offering that a "re-entry permit" authorized entering Thailand fell on deaf ears, as well. It was not a *visa* and by gum, they wanted to see a *visa.*

So, from then on, I have always carried the old passport with the original visa and can document the entire chain of extensions to current date with current passport. Of course, never had the problem again, but one never knows...

I got some similar flak once with my current passport which indeed HAS the original (but old) O visa. This clerk wasn't interested in looking for a visa but seemed to not want to accept the reentry permit. I didn't even think to show her the very old visa. I just put on the confidence face and calmly tried to explain what a reentry permit was. I don't think she really got it but she relented. I have heard similar such stories ... you kind of have to be ready to be challenged even when you shouldn't be.

I can imagine with a new passport from the U.S. that is totally fresh could possibly be greeted with even more resistance. In that case, of course you would need to show the old passport.

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OK, I have another basic question which I think I know the answer to but want confirmation.

When you do get a new passport when your old passport has an existing (old) O visa and an active EXTENSION, I assume when you go into to Thai immigration to move old to new, what happens is they do move the EXTENSION stamp into your new passport, but do NOT move the original VISA stamp into there.

Correct?

Assuming that's true, I suppose when immigration wants a copy of your original visa (as in my experience they want for extension applications, etc.) you copy it from the OLD passport.

Correct?

Do you also need to copy the I.D. page of the old passport to include with copy of the original (old) visa from the old passport?

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They put a stamp in your passport in Thai that they put the info for your original visa in the spaces on the stamp. They also put a stamp equal to entry/permit to stay from that visa entry. When you do an extension you just make a copy of the page that those stamps are on instead of your old visa.

When I got my new passport I was due my extension and went in with everything for the extension and the stamp transfer. Not being sure what they would want I attached copies of my old passport page with my previous extensions, visa stamps and etc ( about 10 pages of A4 paper). They did the stamp transfer first and made a copy of the stamps they had done and trashed all the copies of my old passport attached to my application and handed my old passport back to me.

My old passport is put away now. This year for my extension it was only copies of my new passport that was needed.

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From my understanding, all U.S. passports issued by the Thailand U.S. embassy are automatically the 52 pages - but if you apply in the U.S. - be sure to specify the 52 pages versus the 28 pages - both passports are USD 110 - but if you do any traveling around SE Asia - the prevelance of full pages visas (Laos/Cambodia/Indonesia/China/Myanmar) mean that you quickly use up many pages in a passport.

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From my understanding, all U.S. passports issued by the Thailand U.S. embassy are automatically the 52 pages - but if you apply in the U.S. - be sure to specify the 52 pages versus the 28 pages - both passports are USD 110 - but if you do any traveling around SE Asia - the prevelance of full pages visas (Laos/Cambodia/Indonesia/China/Myanmar) mean that you quickly use up many pages in a passport.

I heard that also about Bangkok issued U.S. passports.

Interestingly when I got my current passport in the U.S. I explicitly requested the larger passport and when it came, it wasn't!w00t.gif

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They put a stamp in your passport in Thai that they put the info for your original visa in the spaces on the stamp. They also put a stamp equal to entry/permit to stay from that visa entry. When you do an extension you just make a copy of the page that those stamps are on instead of your old visa.

When I got my new passport I was due my extension and went in with everything for the extension and the stamp transfer. Not being sure what they would want I attached copies of my old passport page with my previous extensions, visa stamps and etc ( about 10 pages of A4 paper). They did the stamp transfer first and made a copy of the stamps they had done and trashed all the copies of my old passport attached to my application and handed my old passport back to me.

My old passport is put away now. This year for my extension it was only copies of my new passport that was needed.

Thanks.

Great info.

Mystery (in my mind) solved.

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Mine was 4 months and they transferred the visa and extended it the remaining part of the that year to the normal date the day after I picked up the passport at the consulate with letter. At that time I had to travel Plok - CM and then NAN to get it all done, but had no problems with it - that was a few years back. They will transfer anything valid in your old passport to the new one - point out any current unused reentry permit so they don't miss it.

I have found that adding pages and replacing a passport is cheaper and faster if you do it here.

Thanks, but I think possibly your answer is not relevant being a few years back.

Or perhaps I am just not following what you said.

Perhaps I've confused issues here, as the OP was about new passport in the U.S. and I adding a totally new question about getting annual extensions on passports that don't have a full year left.

My understanding is that they have changed the policy and when applying for one year extension they will not give you the entire year extension if your current passport is not valid for the entire year ... only the amount of time until the expiration of your passport.

At least I think that's what your post was referring to anyway, and that report is just not recent enough given the change that I understood took place SINCE then.

Sorry if I haven't understood you.

Cheers.

I may be wrong, but by my understanding, needs to have at least 6 months valid passport to get any yearly extension....

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You are wrong indeed. For an extension the validity does not matter, but you won't get an extension past the date your passport expires. So you would simply get a shorter extension and need to get a new passport and than get a 1 year extension on the new passport.

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