Popular Post Seekingasylum Posted January 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2015 Never read the whole thread but basically the guy was asking for it. He did an said things that got him noticed as a reporter but now is paying the consequences. If he never thought about the consequences then he is an idiot. Successful journalists there know their limits. When I worked for the Thailand Times, we all knew very well what we could and could not do. Evidently, you have no idea of what determines a "successful" journalist. The point of all this is that despite their claims to the contrary, Thailand is not free, is riven with corruption, has a dysfunctional judicial system and fosters an environment in which criminals are rewarded to the detriment of law abiding foreign visitors and residents alike who are unlucky enough to be defrauded, conned, bilked, robbed, beaten and, on occasion, killed. Drummond made it his professional business to expose these crimes which are so often ignored by the mainstream local press and foreign bureaux. Whereas in the course of the past 25 years he has done this without fear of serious intimidation, the stakes are considerably higher now with a multi-million dollar criminal conspiracy currently running from Bangkok that has benefited from the protection of forces no one person in his position could possibly confront. Having the Supreme Court incomprehensibly find against him in a long running case in Pattaya overturning an earlier appeal decision in his favour didn't help either. Frankly, there are now very few investigative journalists, if any, working in Thailand. There are plenty of reporters but that's not the same thing at all. Sign of the times. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seekingasylum Posted January 20, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2015 Making enemies was inevitable in his line of work, exposing farang criminals, particularly in Pattaya, and the Thai police who variously share in their thefts and who also exploit and abuse farang,but the truth of the matter is that the boiler room shysters and their Thai protectors threatened him and his family again. That the Thai dysfunctional judicial system favours these people and have ruled against him in another case concerning the McMafia creeps in Pattaya hasn't helped either. Sad day. One of the good guys and a great man to have on your side when in trouble with the bent Thai police etc. I see at this point 64 TVFers liked this post. I wish there was also a method to post the UNLIKES other than not bothering at all but I would venture the unlikes of this would outweigh the likes 1000 times over.nOpinion or fact? Your opinion is based on what? A little more research might alter your view of the FACTS The facts are that he did not stay with in the confines of facts in his blogs and had many speculative blogs that darkly painted people who legally did not deserve it. Very surprised he got out when he did with skin intact. Very amusing. So, which one of the three stooges are you chums with? Or perhaps your circle of friends also encompasses another of the many shysters, conmen and jerks Drummond has exposed by turning over the rocks under which they conceal themselves. Or perhaps you are one yourself? Do enlighten us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanAunuum Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 he is now living in Huddersfield, Yorkshire U.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seekingasylum Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Err, that'll come as a great surprise to him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanAunuum Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 not really very good 1st hand information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seekingasylum Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Would you like to buy into my Yala time share scheme? I rather think you may be the sort of chap we're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liddelljohn Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 just to show how stupid many expats are by not listening to warning from those who know and then trusting the silken lies of the con men before 2009 i was involved in a local group in thailand ,warning expats and holiday makers about local scammers in Pattaya and phuket mostly,, and the guys behind the massive Pattaya tower world tallest condo scam, they were brits and Aussies and walked off with ober $40m of investors cash and many others especially in Real estate areas and legal companies.. for example one famous local pattaya expat scammer was a motorcycle vendor , he is now in jail in Europe for fraud ,,,anyway our group posted nifo about this guys expolots all over social media giving total details of all his scams ,, we were flamed mercilssly by some people who frankly did not believe our warnings ,, one guy who ordered a triumph Speed 3 lost 800k when it was never delivers another gu i warned went nand belived the scammers promises and lost 1.1m baht on a Ducati that was delivered to him with no Import clearances and so was confiscated quite legally by Thai police . in the end things got too hot for the scammer who fled to UK owing many people in excess of 25m baht,,, years later i met both these guyss who did not heed our warnings and thay were fuming , they both apologised to me for the flaming and insults ,, somnomna the group was disbanded in 2009 after we presented video evidence of a major child prostitution ring involving one of pattayas most illustrious farangs to thai police and interpol,, when european police agencies got involved due to the horrible nature of this peadophile ,, the thai police who had protected him ,, basicly started threatening our video guy who was here on a work permit for a local news company as well as the english owner of that company so we decided to pack it in, some of the perps were picked up in europe and cambodia but the ring leader still resides in pattaya , the child porn ring is no more but he still owns numerous other businesses around town. seemingly for the present invulnerable ,,,,but he is less visible these days . 2 local media stations that gave support to our group on was shut down by the thais and the other which is still active , had to tame its news reports .. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossfinn Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Maybe checkout the real reason: http://casewatchasia.blogspot.sg/2015/01/convicted-journalist-andrew-drummond_17.html Oh dear this does not look good, never realized he had been convicted. Now he has skipped bail I don't suppose he will be able to come back to Thailand. Lovely kids and probably the right thing to do taking them to the UK anyway, every cloud has a silver lining. It's a skill - critical ability or reasoned thought. You need to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff, whatever the media internet or otherwise; it is BTW, a skill that many, many TV members don't seem to have I reckon that's a mirror, not a monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkey dog Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 good riddance! ! ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 good riddance! ! ! Not really. I've been reading his blog site and he seems like a very decent chap. Scratch beneath Thailand's fools gold surface and a lot of it is very seedy and quite evil. At least Andrew tried to raise awareness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 good riddance! ! ! Not really. I've been reading his blog site and he seems like a very decent chap. Scratch beneath Thailand's fools gold surface and a lot of it is very seedy and quite evil. At least Andrew tried to raise awareness. Ain't it just - my wife living in the UK after getting off the phone to her sister asked rhetorically - why is Thailand so bad..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroona Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Never read the whole thread but basically the guy was asking for it. He did an said things that got him noticed as a reporter but now is paying the consequences. If he never thought about the consequences then he is an idiot. Successful journalists there know their limits. When I worked for the Thailand Times, we all knew very well what we could and could not do. Ne'er, once a creep, always a creep, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroona Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Making enemies was inevitable in his line of work, exposing farang criminals, particularly in Pattaya, and the Thai police who variously share in their thefts and who also exploit and abuse farang,but the truth of the matter is that the boiler room shysters and their Thai protectors threatened him and his family again. That the Thai dysfunctional judicial system favours these people and have ruled against him in another case concerning the McMafia creeps in Pattaya hasn't helped either. Sad day. One of the good guys and a great man to have on your side when in trouble with the bent Thai police etc. I see at this point 64 TVFers liked this post. I wish there was also a method to post the UNLIKES other than not bothering at all but I would venture the unlikes of this would outweigh the likes 1000 times over.nOpinion or fact? Your opinion is based on what? A little more research might alter your view of the FACTS The facts are that he did not stay with in the confines of facts in his blogs and had many speculative blogs that darkly painted people who legally did not deserve it. Very surprised he got out when he did with skin intact. A few examples might be handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poweratradio Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Many here who have taken up his banner as a good Samaritan who uncovered the evil and dark side of Thailand fail to allow the nay Sayers of his so called works by insulting deriding them. Myself included but for me as a lawyer who as an officer of the court sworn to uphold justice and the law find that mr.drummond does not deserve the respect of his flag wavers who in their misguided support of him failed to note that article where he maligned others is a violation of the law without culpable proof. I have dealt with many so called journalists who love to operate under the investigative journalist banner without any oversight finding themselves in court to account for their words. I feel that one thing drummond supporters have correct is that drummond is no fool and he knew when the so called getting gone when the getting was good and he is gone. May he stay safe from his countless enemies.. Over and out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stag4 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Reading the Andrew_drummond website certainly opened my eyes to the number of shady Pattaya characters masquerading as upright citizens. Keep up the good work Andrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradavarius37 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitsubishi Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I was hoping the ambulance-chaser would stay in LoS. At least that way we wouldn't be seeing his venomous hacks and brood back in the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Many here who have taken up his banner as a good Samaritan who uncovered the evil and dark side of Thailand fail to allow the nay Sayers of his so called works by insulting deriding them. Myself included but for me as a lawyer who as an officer of the court sworn to uphold justice and the law find that mr.drummond does not deserve the respect of his flag wavers who in their misguided support of him failed to note that article where he maligned others is a violation of the law without culpable proof. I have dealt with many so called journalists who love to operate under the investigative journalist banner without any oversight finding themselves in court to account for their words. I feel that one thing drummond supporters have correct is that drummond is no fool and he knew when the so called getting gone when the getting was good and he is gone. May he stay safe from his countless enemies.. Over and out. Transparent bull shit. sent from phone using bih thumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You know the Asian saying about messing with someone else's rice bowl... AD has ruffled more than a few feathers over the years... There seems to be an entire segment of old timers that have had it with Thailand and are moving on... Things were always better in the "old days" to these guys... I wish them well where ever they go, because the entire world has changed in the last 20 years and the "old days" are long gone in a lot of places... True. I don't recognise my home country now, as compared to 20 years ago. Full of trendies, bad drivers and only care about money and ( commercial ) sport. The days of the "real bloke" seem to be history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroona Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well, Mr Drummond may have left but his blog today is what it always was. Hard hitting and an embarrassment to certain people 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seekingasylum Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Many here who have taken up his banner as a good Samaritan who uncovered the evil and dark side of Thailand fail to allow the nay Sayers of his so called works by insulting deriding them. Myself included but for me as a lawyer who as an officer of the court sworn to uphold justice and the law find that mr.drummond does not deserve the respect of his flag wavers who in their misguided support of him failed to note that article where he maligned others is a violation of the law without culpable proof. I have dealt with many so called journalists who love to operate under the investigative journalist banner without any oversight finding themselves in court to account for their words. I feel that one thing drummond supporters have correct is that drummond is no fool and he knew when the so called getting gone when the getting was good and he is gone. May he stay safe from his countless enemies.. Over and out. If you are a lawyer, I'm Andrew Drummond. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Many here who have taken up his banner ........If you are a lawyer, I'm Andrew Drummond. I am Sparticus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWarbucks Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, Mr Drummond may have left but his blog today is what it always was. Hard hitting and an embarrassment to certain people Not being on the scene himself, how is he going to keep it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailiketoo Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well, Mr Drummond may have left but his blog today is what it always was. Hard hitting and an embarrassment to certain people Not being on the scene himself, how is he going to keep it up? Read Thai Visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Andrew Drummond chose to be a shock Journo with all the risks attached that go with that territory. He was no fool and knew what he was getting into from the very start. Alternatively, he could have chosen not be a rebel Journo as opposed to being a real one. Good riddance to his kangaroo journalism. Now he should be held accountable for his actions and stand by what he professed. Anything else, such as running away from Thailand, would just typify the type of coward he really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 He had a family to care for, and he is not a coward if he protects his family. Unfortunately it is not (yet) internationally agreed where defamation law should be applied for media contents, the country where written, or the country where read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Andrew Drummond chose to be a shock Journo with all the risks attached that go with that territory. He was no fool and knew what he was getting into from the very start. Alternatively, he could have chosen not be a rebel Journo as opposed to being a real one. Good riddance to his kangaroo journalism. Now he should be held accountable for his actions and stand by what he professed. Anything else, such as running away from Thailand, would just typify the type of coward he really was. Now that must be one of the most unpleasant postings that I have ever read on Thaivisa. He knew what he was getting into, yes. He stated quite some time ago that he could no longer afford to send his kids to the school they were going to, he changed schools. Constant hiring of lawyers and paying bail for stupid trumped up reasons made things very difficult for him. He then started to receive threats like 'we know where your kids go to school'. They are now going to school in the UK, which is the right decision for most expats with kids here. Why don't you go visit a taxidermist for a consultation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Sata Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I doubt we have heard the last of Andrew. From the freedom of the UK he can write what he wants about who he wants without fear. As for life in the UK. These days costs are on a par if not less in some cases. He can pick up a nice high end car for around the cost of a couple of air tickets to the UK and earn a hell of a lot more than living in Thailand. He no longer has to worry about a visa or paying the police if stopped and can send his kids to a good school for nothing. I suspect some of the vitriolic comments come from ex pat low life holed up in Pattaya. Gary Glitter is on trial in the UK at the moment and must hate Drummond for,chasing him down in Vietnam. I suspect some of the false lawyers in Thailand must be wondering what next? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MK1 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Andrew Drummond chose to be a shock Journo with all the risks attached that go with that territory. He was no fool and knew what he was getting into from the very start. Alternatively, he could have chosen not be a rebel Journo as opposed to being a real one. Good riddance to his kangaroo journalism. Now he should be held accountable for his actions and stand by what he professed. Anything else, such as running away from Thailand, would just typify the type of coward he really was. Now that must be one of the most unpleasant postings that I have ever read on Thaivisa. He knew what he was getting into, yes. He stated quite some time ago that he could no longer afford to send his kids to the school they were going to, he changed schools. Constant hiring of lawyers and paying bail for stupid trumped up reasons made things very difficult for him. He then started to receive threats like 'we know where your kids go to school'. They are now going to school in the UK, which is the right decision for most expats with kids here. Why don't you go visit a taxidermist for a consultation? Love him or hate him?.I believe everyone has the right as member of Thai Visa to view their opinions irrespective of whether you think that only positive things should be said about that man. In the same way, you have right to be Pro-Drummond for a man who neglected to put the safety of his family first or was he ignorant of that risk? Boo-hoo if he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted January 23, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2015 Andrew Drummond chose to be a shock Journo with all the risks attached that go with that territory. He was no fool and knew what he was getting into from the very start. Alternatively, he could have chosen not be a rebel Journo as opposed to being a real one. Good riddance to his kangaroo journalism. Now he should be held accountable for his actions and stand by what he professed. Anything else, such as running away from Thailand, would just typify the type of coward he really was. Well anyone attempting to be a real journalist in this country would also be deciding to be shocking. Because telling the truth and having journalistic integrity in Thailand is frequently illegal, and usually dangerous. And for all of you belaboring the fact that he didn't get all the facts right. Have any of you ever tried to get all the facts on anything in this country? Truth is just about the hardest thing to find in this country, followed not far behind by logic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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