Capital punishment concerns raised over Thai backpackers' murder case

[berybert]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

[boomerangutang]

IMO, while I think Nomsod knows more about what happened that night than has been reported, I don't think he single-handedly committed murder (because he was running away from what others might do to him). A gang 'attack' that turned horrific is a more likely scenario.

My same thought applies to the B2. I think they haven't divulged the full truth (for obvious self-preservation motives). I don't buy that they were drunk on (allegedly) 3 bottles of beer, or don't know who could be the suspects - at the same time I don't think they committed murder, either.

The trial is going to be interesting with some startling revelations, I'm sure.

Most of what you posted is on the mark. However, I doubt anyone who thinks Nomsod was involved, thinks he acted alone. This crime could not have been done solo, no matter who perpetrated it. Many keen observers don't think even the B2 could have done it (partly) because it's physically unreasonable to think that two small men could concurrently overpower a larger man while restraining Hannah (and keeping her from screaming too much?).

I think there's an outside possibility that the B2 came upon the crime scene after the victims were dead, and had sex with the woman's body. Even that is quite implausible, considering her gory state (I purposefully haven't looked at the post-mortem photos, but have heard them described).

This is what I consider important:

The Prosecution

The Defense

The various NGOs that deal with the rights of migrant workers in Thailand.

I do not consider what is written here on this Forum to be important.

please don't let us keep you from more important things. Ok, I'm being snarky, katot kap.

If asked what I thought was most important (in this investigation), I'd have to say: TRUTH and TRUE JUSTICE. In order for that to happen, the parameters of 'Thainess' would have to be re-aligned. Currently, it's customary for Thais to do what's expected. They lie when expected/required to lie. They stay quiet when they know that's what their culture requires them to do. Some of the people connected to the crime (perps, witnesses, investigators, confidantes of the perps, etc) need to break out of that archaic mold, and be brave enough to speak the truth - even if it's culturally awkward or self-endangering to do so.

[jdinasia]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.

Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.

Utter fantasy

[jdinasia]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

To fail to present exculpatory evidence and leave their clients in jail is what you call "professional"?

[rockingrobin]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.

Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.

Utter fantasy

JD

Who do you think is the 3rd Burmese

[seahorse]

Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:

... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...

Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.

If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.

Fanciful speculation indeed!

Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -

mm.jpg

There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.

And here are the three of them on the bike at 23.10 on 14.09.14 -

on bike.jpg

Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.

The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .

That would not be fanciful speculation.

That is what I said "approximate" not "precisely", or "close" or "immediately". That you choose to misinterpret things in favour of a particular scenario is par for the course.

Close to the time of the murders was the testimony of Muang Muang, placing them close the scene of the crime possibly within an hour of the murders.

Actually, this was Muang's testimony:

MAT representative Kyaw Thaung reconfirmed the testimony the legal team had been told. “After finishing the beer and cigarettes, Maung Maung said he told his two friends he was leaving, but they insisted on having more to drink, so he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol and took it to them. That was all around 1am,” he said.

“Maung Maung said he then went to see his girlfriend and did not return until 5am.”

And there is no CCTV placing them in the area of the murders and/or at the 'approximate' time of the murders. Last CCTV at before midnight.

Maung Maung's testimony that he went back to the room and got an extra bottle of alcohol is consistent with the cctv images of him coming and going while wearing a different shirt than he had been wearing earlier in the evening.

[seahorse]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.

Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.

Utter fantasy

JD

Who do you think is the 3rd Burmese

I think it's pretty clear that Maung Maung was the 3rd Burmese lined up to take the rap for this. He did well not to succumb to the pressure put on him by the police.

[JLCrab]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

[boomerangutang]

So, who is the third burmese.

Muang Muang was originally held in custody. Could it be he was going to be railroaded also. But much to the rtp chagrin, came up with a strong alibi. Oops said the officer. We thought there were 3. but now we can only pin it on two.

MM was more savvy than the other two. He had an inkling of his legal rights. The B2 were easy prey for scapegoating, with older men gathered around, fists and teeth clenched. First thing the cops probably said was 'you're illegal, and we can slam you in jail for a long time.' The B2's families rely on the few satang which get sent from their sons each month - because there is zero social security for elders in Burma.

Burmese young men were casually playing sepak takraw on the beach, when police, in their frantic zeal to nab scapegoats, went to round them up. Two were able to run away. Guess who the two were? Yup, so when they were caught, the cops were doubly angry at the young men who didn't heed their calls of 'Don't run! Come back here!' Next day: 'safe-house' with a threatening interpreter who introduced the broken bottle idea. Not an attorney in sight. The rest is scapegoat history.

Utter fantasy

I assume non-fantasy is what the RTP and their supporters put forth. . . . .

>>> Hannah's phone was found at the B's shack

>>> A blunt hoe caused David's stab wounds - all uniform size and clean cuts.

>>> Nomsod is absolutely not in the CCTV taken just after the crime - even tho RTP were sure it was him prior to investigative team leadership adjustment demanded by Bkk.

>>> two small young men overpowered and killed two healthy farang, one of whom was trice the size of either attacker.

[boomerangutang]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.

Decades ago, there was a problem with a leak of a NASA rocket launcher. NASA has a slew of rocket scientists, literally, but they were stumped. The leak was in a difficult-to-access spot. A regular guy, reading in the newspaper about the problem, wrote in a proposed solution (specially injected epoxy). It worked. Just sayin', a person doesn't need to be a professional/salaried insider in order to have an idea which might shed light on the KT investigation.

At least Thai authorities are leaking bits of info (up until November, at least). That's more than any Brit officials are doing. If you look at the big picture, there very possibly may be around a half dozen very dangerous men hanging out at Ko Tao as we speak. Thai officials are a bit concerned, but only as it might affect tourism revenue. Brit officials, by their actions, indicate they don't give a hoot.

[JLCrab]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.

<snip>

From the above: However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. And I, however, wouldn't be surprised, given the defense's limited staff and resources, that defense staff has been told that, even if we might glean a tidbit here and there from the ThaiVisa postings, we don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.

[catsanddogs]

Post 538 AleG said (amongst other things) regarding evidence:

... CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...

Saying there is no evidence is false, plain and simple.

If that evidence constitutes proof is up to the judge to decide, not some people that would rather ignore actual evidence in favour of fanciful speculation.

Fanciful speculation indeed!

Here is Maung Maung in the convenience store at 23.12 on 14.09.14 -

mm.jpg

There is a still of the B2 outside the store which I cannot locate. Could someone post this if they have it so we can see what the time is please.

And here are the three of them on the bike at 23.10 on 14.09.14 -

on bike.jpg

Murder occurred sometime after 3am 15.09.14.

The fact that CCTV may show the suspects walking towards the beach at around 11pm after buying stuff at the store does not equate to evidence that they were 'in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders'. How could anyone with half a brain reach that conclusion? As already pointed out by another poster with brain in tact, the man seen running around in underwear around the time of the murders would fit your statement 'CCTV video placing the suspects in the area of the murders, at the approximate time of the murders is evidence, etc, etc...' .

That would not be fanciful speculation.

That is what I said "approximate" not "precisely", or "close" or "immediately". That you choose to misinterpret things in favour of a particular scenario is par for the course.

Close to the time of the murders was the testimony of Muang Muang, placing them close the scene of the crime possibly within an hour of the murders.

I am not choosing to misinterpret things. What rubbish you talk - par for the course. If the suspects are proved 100% to be guilty of the murders then I would wish to see them punished accordingly.

Approximately: almost, about, around, generally, nearly, close to, relatively, roughly, loosely, just about, more or less,

You need to be more careful with your choice of words as you can see from the above synonyms of 'approximately'.

'Close' to the time of the murders' - MM on CCTV around 1am is not 'possibly within an hour of the murders'. As previously stated, friends of Hannah and David said they were with them until 3am. The actual time of murders has not been released but put at between 3 and 5am.

Why do you want these two Burmese men to be found guilty AleG? Every post you write points to you believing and wishing them to be found guilty of these crimes and choosing to put no importance on other people of interest and alternative suspects, despite the overwhelming feelings of most posters on here to the contrary.

[thailandchilli]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.

<snip>

From the above: However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. And I, however, wouldn't be surprised, given the defense's limited staff and resources, that defense staff has been told that, even if we might glean a tidbit here and there from the ThaiVisa postings, we don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.

Agree to a certain point, the defense just wouldn't have time to sift through 1000's of posts in the hope of finding a golden nugget, nor would they have time to participate in forums but I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is actively subscribed to any active threads and checks them weekly, not only on TV.

EDIT: Actually I would be surprised if the prosecution were not doing the same

[thailandchilli]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

To fail to present exculpatory evidence and leave their clients in jail is what you call "professional"?

An application for bail was refused by the judge because of the flight risk and their nationality, ie not being Thai. This despite the prosecution not opposing bail.

[seahorse]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.

<snip>

From the above: However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. And I, however, wouldn't be surprised, given the defense's limited staff and resources, that defense staff has been told that, even if we might glean a tidbit here and there from the ThaiVisa postings, we don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.

don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.

And that's why there are some posters on here trying to derail and clog up every thread with their crap, or even better, get every thread about this subject shut down.

You know who you are.

[berybert]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

To fail to present exculpatory evidence and leave their clients in jail is what you call "professional"?

Who do you present evidence to before the court case ?

[JLCrab]

Re anyone trying to get this Topic shut down: Not true --I enjoy reading your crap and particularly the extended verbiage of guys like The Boomer and K. Terry. One can only read so much of Underboob selfies and other ThaiVisa Thailand news of the day.

[seahorse]

jd doesn't believe there was a 3rd Burmese. He did once upon a long ago. But since the RTP were unable to find a third goat they along with jd have forgotten about any 3rd Burmese.

This is what happens when you are dealing with single cell creatures. They fail to realize not everyone is a total idiot.

They did have a third goat - Maung Maung. The problem was that he didn't play along.

[jdinasia]

FYI from Twitter:

Mar 15

To: @Atomicalandy Have you been given access to the DNA evidence against them? I don't see you having a case without the ability to defend this.

From: Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy Mar 16

the lawyers have prosecution file now (doesn't mean all evidence, some don't get until trial), including some DNA evidence

But apparently not willing to divulge for those folks on here.

We don't expect defense or prosecution to divulge their plans, data or strategies to us concerned observers. Some of the hundreds of posts herein may influence some thoughts by either defense or prosecution, ...or maybe not. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. Ten thousand minds are better than five.

<snip>

From the above: However, I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping an ear out for what others are saying. And I, however, wouldn't be surprised, given the defense's limited staff and resources, that defense staff has been told that, even if we might glean a tidbit here and there from the ThaiVisa postings, we don't have the time and resources to sift through all that verbiage which does not help us to get to those possible morsels that might.

Agree to a certain point, the defense just wouldn't have time to sift through 1000's of posts in the hope of finding a golden nugget, nor would they have time to participate in forums but I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is actively subscribed to any active threads and checks them weekly, not only on TV.

EDIT: Actually I would be surprised if the prosecution were not doing the same

Yeah.... They are waiting for the golden nugget. Like.... The furniture ( social media BS)... Or the Israeli she was shot......

Or the obsessive's its someone connected to....

[metisdead]

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[jdinasia]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

To fail to present exculpatory evidence and leave their clients in jail is what you call "professional"?

An application for bail was refused by the judge because of the flight risk and their nationality, ie not being Thai. This despite the prosecution not opposing bail.

If the defense had proof they were tested and cleared there would be no trial.

[JLCrab]

My golden nugget (whether for prosecution or defense, your choice): There was a guy on the beach on the other side of the rocks who was there screwing his Thai girlfriend who is an eyewitness to the whole affair but he hasn't come forward publicly because he had told his Thai wife in Bangkok that he was at the time away on a business trip to Singapore.

[thailandchilli]

More background:

Monday 15th. Police had initially detained and questioned three male migrant workers from Burma, but DNA tests and other evidence have ruled them out of the investigation.

Royal Thai Police adviser Jarumporn Suramanee said on Wednesday (17th September) that the DNA of 12 people had been tested, including nine samples from Burmese migrant workers and one from Ware.

The tests found none of the DNA matched that collected from semen found in the female victim’s body, he said.

However, the tests found that DNA from a cigarette near the scene matched the semen.

Wouldn't you think it more than probable that the B2 (seen standing in a queue) were initially ruled out?

No, there are hundreds, if not thousands of Burmese workers in Koh Tao.

Furthermore if the two now in custody were part of that initial batch that were cleared, why haven't them or the defense mention it at all?

Strangely enough the defense unlike the police have mentioned very little.

I guess it would be called being professional.

Now if you would be so kind as to make a few more posts about the Burmese being at the crime scene close to the time of the murder whilst at the same time tell us Mon/Non or uncle Bon wasn't despite him being captured on CCTV minutes after the murder. I am sure we can all laugh some more.

To fail to present exculpatory evidence and leave their clients in jail is what you call "professional"?

An application for bail was refused by the judge because of the flight risk and their nationality, ie not being Thai. This despite the prosecution not opposing bail.

If the defense had proof they were tested and cleared there would be no trial.

and, whats that got to do with the post? If, if if if can be applied to every aspect of this case. Unfortunately the DNA evidence is unverified and not up for investigation by anyone

[thailandchilli]

Agree to a certain point, the defense just wouldn't have time to sift through 1000's of posts in the hope of finding a golden nugget, nor would they have time to participate in forums but I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is actively subscribed to any active threads and checks them weekly, not only on TV.

EDIT: Actually I would be surprised if the prosecution were not doing the same

Yeah.... They are waiting for the golden nugget. Like.... The furniture ( social media BS)... Or the Israeli she was shot......

Or the obsessive's its someone connected to....

As you've replied to my post, where in this tread have I mentioned any of the above examples you mentioned?

In a dubious investigation plagued with allegations of corruption, cover ups, evidence planting, witness bribery, unverified DNA testing, suspect intimidation and torture, inconsistencies, contradictions, confusion, none of which have been investigated to determine if they are true or not then I would expect the defense to investigate all avenues until they are discounted, I would also not expect them to publicly mention what those avenues may be.

I think they need all the help they can get to ensure a fair trial for the B2 & I am confused as to why people would want to deny them that or attempt to be little anything the defense does or does not do unless they have some other motive.

[AGareth2]

If the DNA evidence is accepted by the court then the B2 are in difficulty

[boomerangutang]

isn't a Golden Nugget what you get for being McDonald's Employee of the Month?

[thailandchilli]

My golden nugget (whether for prosecution or defense, your choice): There was a guy on the beach on the other side of the rocks who was there screwing his Thai girlfriend who is an eyewitness to the whole affair but he hasn't come forward publicly because he had told his Thai wife in Bangkok that he was at the time away on a business trip to Singapore.

Or the western female who was caught on cctv running away from the crime scene and which the RTP have not released the video

[AGareth2]

My golden nugget (whether for prosecution or defense, your choice): There was a guy on the beach on the other side of the rocks who was there screwing his Thai girlfriend who is an eyewitness to the whole affair but he hasn't come forward publicly because he had told his Thai wife in Bangkok that he was at the time away on a business trip to Singapore.

if this is true

I hope he/she can tell their story

peoples lives are at stake

[JLCrab]

isn't a Golden Nugget what you get for being McDonald's Employee of the Month?

No -- a golden nugget is finding the Chumphon taxi driver who picked up a guy wet off a speedboat early morning 15 SEP 2014 and took him to Bangkok post haste so he wouldn't be late for class.

[stephenterry]

Or the western female who was caught on cctv running away from the crime scene and which the RTP have not released the video

It adds to the mystery. The simplest explanation is that there was a party on that beach at or around 3am with more than one western woman present, including Hannah. When violence flared up, for whatever reason, this woman ran away.

She would have been a good witness.