UN: Israeli military killed 44 Palestinians at UN shelters

[ggold]

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

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It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

[Ulysses G.]

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

The sickening thing is that they reject any Jewish source, unless it supports their position, in which case they highlight it.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[ggold]

[ggold]

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

The sickening thing is that they reject any Jewish source, unless it supports their position, in which case they highlight it.

That proves Israeli media are able to examine the situation without bias. That there can be opposing views. I don't see any Arabs putting opposing views forward. not unless they want to be shot by their own brothers! Only after protective edge did any voice of anger come out of the Arab world against Hamas and what they did in Gaza.

[JingerBen]

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

The sickening thing is that they reject any Jewish source, unless it supports their position, in which case they highlight it.

Please, tone down the rhetoric that is becoming fierce and downright mean.

A civil discourse can be maintained while points are challenged.

The topic is about Palestinians - including children - being killed while taking refuge in UN shelters.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with old and unverified accounts of Palestinian children dying in tunnels.

There is absolutely no justification for calling any member posting on this thread a Jew-hater or an anti-Semite.

Such wacky racial obsession negates any valid points you may have and makes you look like paranoid zealots.

[Ulysses G.]

Nice attempt at deflection, but there have numerous hateful, anti-Semitic remarks deleted by moderators on these threads and over a long period of time. There is nothing "paranoid" about pointing out verifiable facts.

Edited May 3, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Nice attempt at deflection, but there have numerous hateful, anti-Semitic remarks deleted by moderators on these threads and over a long period of time. There is nothing "paranoid" about pointing out the truth.

Including links to explicitly racist Neo Nazi websites.

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[Thorgal]

Oh no! A Jewish source! Can't have that! All that Jew stuff is "Zionist" propaganda. Unless it supports Israel demonization that is. Then it's special cause it's Jewish. So confused. Or is it?

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You're reverting to name calling and innuendo .

Do you have credible links to prove that the Palestinian militants are killing their own children?

Even if this is true it doesn't absolve Israel of the charge of inhuman carnage in their military operations.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/report-at-least-160-children-died-digging-hamas-tunnels.php

The author of the paper, Nicolas Pelham accompanied a police patrol in Gaza during December 2011. He reported that “nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies.”

He also found that “at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials.” And, as noted, this was as of the end of 2011. How many more Palestinian children have died digging tunnels for Hamas since then?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/07/31/if-liberal-elites-really-cared-about-gazan-children/

Hamas is responsible not only for the deaths of the children sent to dig tunnels, but also those who could have been healed and educated if the cement from Israel had been used for schools, clinics and housing rather than to create a subterranean military apparatus

Surely it is inhuman to use your own children as human shields and forcing them to dig tunnels.

OP is about Palestinian, non combatant civilians who died in protected UN facilities in Gaza.

It makes no sense to mention the Gazan children who died in the tunnels and/or evaluate forced child labour in times of war. Even so, any justification in terms of body count figures is far out of the context of OP.

There have been similar child warfare involvement during the Jewish Warsaw uprising in WW2 within the organized and stuctural Hashomer Hatzair youth combat groups under inhuman and harsh German occupation of the Jewish communities. Many survivors of them became later Haganah militia in Palestina.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/hashomer.html

Quote from link :

"The years of the Holocaust brought catastrophe to the Jewish people, it also destroyed the core of the Hashomer Hatzair movement in Europe, many of whose members fell in activities against the German forces. Hashomer Hatzair was active in leading resistance in the ghettoes, the forests and the concentration camps. In the Warsaw ghetto, members of the movement were among the organizers of the Jewish Fighting Organization, and a member of Hashomer Hatzair, Mordechai Anilewicz, stood at its head. In Hungary, Lithuania, Slovakia and elsewhere in Nazi-occupied Europe, members of Hashomer Hatzair were to be found in the front ranks of the Jewish and general resistance and in attempts to rescue Jews."

I've provided these historical facts in order to provide (again) healthy comprehension and objective criticism of historical contextual evaluation for all people who died in both camps...and to continue this interesting thread without personal hyperbolic aspirations and historical nonsense...

Edited May 3, 2015 by Thorgal

[Jingthing]

You provided those facts to suggest yet again that modern Israel is equivalent to Nazi Germany.

If the Jews are commiting genocide against the Arabs as the Nazis did to the Jews then the Jews are remarkably incompetent at doing genocide as the Arab population numbers go up and up.

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Edited May 3, 2015 by Jingthing

[simple1]

Nice attempt at deflection, but there have numerous hateful, anti-Semitic remarks deleted by moderators on these threads and over a long period of time. There is nothing "paranoid" about pointing out the truth.

Including links to explicitly racist Neo Nazi websites.

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You may believe the following is off topic, but IMO it's relevant.

There are a number of members who support Israeli policies who in other topics point to or support virulent right wing ideology condemning all Muslims conveniently forgetting the far right, who until fairly recently, were concentrating on racist & anti Semitic issues. The right wing groups are now focusing on an alternative 'other' to gain populist votes in an endeavour to gain power and would no doubt eventually return to their anti Jewish agenda.

[Scott]

Please stay on topic.

[wabothai]

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This conflict has gone on too long.

Israelis are surely intelligent enough to simply extricate themselves from this mess, in this instance killing 44 school girls and being accused of war crimes. I know and you know that the occupation of 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and a blockade of 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza while refusing them all the right to self determination is at the heart of the problem. And it cannot continue indefinitely. The Palestinian population is growing and the problem of absorbing them as equal citizens or reaching a just peace agreement with them to live separately is growing too.

Israeli chutzpah and denial is quite amazing, but something has to give in the end, and I don’t think it is going to be Palestinians volunteering themselves to disappear into a 3^rd wave of ethnic cleansing.

I agree that after all these years of bitterness Israel has serious security concerns, but why not sit down and thrash those problems out instead of a holding pattern of more wars, civilian casualties and lousy PR.

Why doesn’t Israel face up to reality that it can’t carry on in this cavalier fashion running roughshod over human rights forever while the whole world is watching. There will be consequences and maybe not to Israel’s advantage.

Who would Israel sit down to talk peace with. Hamas, or Fatah, the PLO?

Hamas police beat, arrest protesters at Gaza rally Over 400 demonstrators in Shejaiya urge reconstruction of Strip, call for end to intra-Palestinian division

Police in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip beat and arrested protesters on Wednesday at a youth rally in the north of the Palestinian enclave, an AFP correspondent said.

More than 400 demonstrators gathered in Shejaiya, a neighborhood in eastern Gaza City that was razed during a July-August war between the Hamas terrorist group and Israel, urging reconstruction and calling for an end to intra-Palestinian division.

Plainclothes police officers entered the crowd, beating a number of protesters without causing serious injury, the AFP correspondent said.

They then arrested at least seven people, according to witnesses.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-police-beat-arrest-protesters-at-gaza-rally/

It seems Hamas don't like peace demo's even when it is about their own unity! That is the problem is it not? There is no one to talk to because there is not one person who can speak for all the factions. Even Abbas keeps the refugee camps in the west bank as they are. He is not interested in their welfare, only his political status.

This always seems to be a one sided affair Israel is expected to do, when there is no one to do it with. It takes two to tango, the only tango the arabs are interested in is that of violence.

Peace plans have been on the table for negotiations for years...been very close to it already under Ehud Barak and Olmert, until darker anti peace forces intervened. When others see the benefits of peace and prosperity in the West Bank others' hearts and minds will follow too...Gazans and Israelis included.

Talk to the PA, then Syria, Lebanon and Hamas when circumstances dictate, just as Israel did piecemeal with Egypt and Jordan. Doesnt have to be all or nothing, sit on hands, all in the too hard basket. What on earth are we paying our politicians for? If you cant deliver, move aside for someone who can.

The OP atrocity should not be allowed to happen in the 21st century in a European style democracy.

Just saying it cant go on forever like this, so lets think towards the future and a just solution rather than getting stuck in the past.

The arabs want all or nothing. I don't think either Hamas, PLO Syria Lebanon are ready to talk with Israel. As you say yourself there were peace efforts. Arafat and now Abbas were/are both not willing to agree to peace. They had their chance they did not take it.

As I said it takes two to talk so where are the arabs that want to talk peace?

Oh, they want peace all right, they just don't want to agree to ridiculous conditions. They want equal rights across the border.

[Ulysses G.]

Oh, they want peace all right, they just don't want to agree to ridiculous conditions.

"Ridiculous conditions" like living in peace with Israel. The Palestinians should have thought about that before starting a bunch of wars and LOSING them.

[Jai Dee]

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[Ulysses G.]

The Palestinians started the violence in the first place.

The Palestinians refused an offer for their own state and declared war on Israel.

The Palestinians agreed that the establishment of any Palestinian state can only be determined through direct negotiations between Israel and the PNA in the Oslo accords. They are trying to ignore their commitment.

Egypt and Jordan indeed traded land for peace and everyone knows that both sides stuck to the bargain. They were not participants in the Oslo Accords. There were 3 separate deals with different provisions.

Egypt and Jordan traded indeed land for peace after 1973 Yum Kippor war.

Now you've got it. Stop with the silly attempts at distraction.

Edited May 4, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

Your statement is not based on real historical facts

My statement IS based on real historical facts. Not sure what history books you are disputing, but they all say the same thing:

"Israel has traded land for peace with both Egypt and Jordan and it has been quite a success."

[Scott]

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/820782-un-israeli-military-killed-44-palestinians-at-un-shelters/page-9#entry9370147