Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[Chetzee]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

...........and the link to the newspaper article anouncing his departure is where ?

[JohnThailandJohn]

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

...........and the link to the newspaper article anouncing his departure is where ?

You don't have Google or are incapable of using the search function on this site? As I mentioned it has been shared numerous times on these threads to people who reference the transfer as somehow pointing to a conspiracy to take him off the case only to have these same people come back and pretend it wasn't already showed and pointed out. I am not going to waste my time searching all the stories with his name to find the links but you are welcome to. I did do a quick search on the forum and found this ... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/764608-name-of-new-phuket-police-chief-confirmed/#entry8460005 which can help you with a Google search as it names some of the other numerous transfers that took place and were announced prior.

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

Pornthip? I rather have Ronald McDonald use a Big Mac like she used the GT-200 Bomb and Cadaver Sensor. At least the Big Mac is edible.

Defense has a dna forensic expert as a witness. Just thought I would let you know as I understand the internet sometimes is troublesome when you live under a rock.

Evidently, you didn't read the previous post that I responded to. Wipe your specks or sue the doctor who botched your lasik surgery.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

No I don't think he is saying the first bunch where much better than the 2nd lot.

More a case of at least they seemed to have an idea of who carried out the murders.

and who didn't since it was this team and him specifically who announced clearing Mon because he was in Bangkok...

25 September 2014 .... http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1411635247

But police questioned Warot and established that he was not on the island when the murder took place, Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya Mamen said yesterday. Therefore, he is no longer being treated as a potential suspect, Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya said.

Edit: Interesting too is in this same article under the original commander, it states Sean is not a suspect. So two big people on the theorists list the original top guy on the case didn't think were involved but somehow they want to pretend Panya will back their theories.

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

Read, understand and respond intelligently should be made mandatory in this form.

[HughJass]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

well he was on the island first thing when the murders were discovered or am i seeing things

[AleG]

and who didn't since it was this team and him specifically who announced clearing Mon because he was in Bangkok...

25 September 2014 .... http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1411635247

But police questioned Warot and established that he was not on the island when the murder took place, Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya Mamen said yesterday. Therefore, he is no longer being treated as a potential suspect, Pol.Lt.Gen. Panya said.

Edit: Interesting too is in this same article under the original commander, it states Sean is not a suspect. So two big people on the theorists list the original top guy on the case didn't think were involved but somehow they want to pretend Panya will back their theories.

Then again the same man who, according to Boomerangutang, was in Bangkok with orders to say nothing about the case said this the day before the arrests:

KOH TAO – Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen, acting assistant National Police Chief, is now saying that he is confident that they will be able to issue warrant for the arrest of or arrest the suspects in the September 15 murder of two British tourists on Koh Tao in a few days.

But it makes no difference, the meme of the original investigating team being yanked out to let the "real killers" get away is too good to be discarded just because it doesn't match reality.

[catsanddogs]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

Well I don't know about him being 'something special' but he did seem to be on to something more convincing that the B2 when he was in charge of the investigation. Let's hope he will give us some eye openers when he testifies in court, which he needs to of course.

[catsanddogs]

Incidentally, that article was published at right around the time when Somyot was putting himself in charge of the investigation, while the former chief inspector Panya (who was following evidence) was given a promotion and put in a desk job in Bangkok, and told not to say anything publicly about this case. I think Panya will be called as a defense witness. If so, it should be interesting to see what he says on the witness stand, even if he maintains his gag order.

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

Mon WAS on the island. No only on it, all over it. I think you mean Nomsod was not on the island? We shall see.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Well I don't know about him being 'something special' but he did seem to be on to something more convincing that the B2 when he was in charge of the investigation. Let's hope he will give us some eye openers when he testifies in court, which he needs to of course.

What do you think he was "on to" given he cleared the people most here keep continuing to accuse?

[JohnThailandJohn]

You do realize, since it has been pointed out to you many times, the transfers were announced and published in the news well before the murders took place right? You keep alluding to this as if it was part of some conspiracy and as if the initial investigation was where most of the confusion, false accusations, crime scene handling and all the rest people point to in order to show inept police work occurred.

If I recall the murders took place on the 15th and the transfer was scheduled to happen and did happen on the first. During this two week period police accused many people and found blood on pants that wasn't blood, too many things to list about the crime scene investigation to point to, not checking video of who may have left the isalnd from the pier, announced they had string evidence against probably near a dozen different people including farangs and 6 different Burmese, a plethora of incorrect information released by police, a thai couldn't do it statement and on and on. Point being is that so much that people point to in the police investigation occurred under the first guy you keep wanting to put out there is some sort of person who was taken off the case because he was doing a good job. It was under him that hundreds of DNA samples were gathered, mainly from migrant workers.

out of interest do you have a link to that information being published in the news John ? I guess when you come up with it some of us will have to pipe down .

It has been shared numerous times on these threads only for people to come back and act as though this was some quick transfer despite it being announced well in advance and despite the fact October is when they typically do transfers. What is the real joke though is people are acting like he was something special when he was the one who cleared Mon and stated he wasn't on the island.

Mon WAS on the island. No only on it, all over it. I think you mean Nomsod was not on the island? We shall see.

Thanks, had the names confused. Bottom line under him they cleared both and the family as well as Sean.

[beammeup]

Read, understand and respond intelligently should be made mandatory in this form.

We'd be down to about 2 or 3 pages then

[SOTIRIOS]

..shall we guess why not....

..and it was reported by witnesses but now conveniently deemed a rumor.....

[Nigeone]

https://twitter.com/Atomicalandy/status/624438232256634880'>

They had the results before the samples were even taken , just like a person of interest.

Am I the only one reading too much into Andys quote from forensic expert that the results were very quick. Does that mean she maybe handled initial aspects and then another dept or persons dealt with comparisons etc and she was surprised how quick those results came back? As in ready in a hour or two? Any one else have a thought on this quoted comment from her.?

[007cableguy]

A question for the Glee club are you happy with the professional way the prosecution is preceding with this case?..........Do you honestly believe that this would have made it to court the way the keystone cops have gone about their investigation?

[JohnThailandJohn]

They had the results before the samples were even taken , just like a person of interest.

Am I the only one reading too much into Andys quote from forensic expert that the results were very quick. Does that mean she maybe handled initial aspects and then another dept or persons dealt with comparisons etc and she was surprised how quick those results came back? As in ready in a hour or two? Any one else have a thought on this quoted comment from her.?

He said a "few hours"

According to him he was referring to the women on the stand who tested the DNA from the two suspects which then was compared and came back as a match. So, I think it clear he was surprised and not the experienced DNA tester whi knows how long a test takes.

There are usually a number of people involved in a Lab but on;y one witness chair.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

Koh Tao murder trial day 6 this morning forensics police lady witness from Bangkok who tested DNA from two accused against cigarettes etc.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

The forensics officer witness explained how surprisingly quick her whole DNA testing process was completed/result available within few hours

[smedly]

as has been stated many times by the smart people on this thread, there are many lies being told - diversions - misdirects - hidden evidence - cctv footage withheld or likely destroyed, and still we have people posting here that think everything is dandy, quite shocking the level of stupidity being displayed

Try and refute this one, the running man cctv footage is claimed by a police witness in court to be one of the accused and yet it is clearly that of a taller man and is very obviously not wearing the wrist bands that the B2 were wearing shown clearly in the so called re-enactment on the beach

Also where are the 2x bouncers "Mons pals" that worked in AC bar and have mysteriously disappeared since the murders ?

Lets see how the DNA retest goes and we will see from there, I have a feeling it will never happen

[Nigeone]

They had the results before the samples were even taken , just like a person of interest.

Am I the only one reading too much into Andys quote from forensic expert that the results were very quick. Does that mean she maybe handled initial aspects and then another dept or persons dealt with comparisons etc and she was surprised how quick those results came back? As in ready in a hour or two? Any one else have a thought on this quoted comment from her.?

He said a "few hours"

According to him he was referring to the women on the stand who tested the DNA from the two suspects which then was compared and came back as a match. So, I think it clear he was surprised and not the experienced DNA tester whi knows how long a test takes.

There are usually a number of people involved in a Lab but on;y one witness chair.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

Koh Tao murder trial day 6 this morning forensics police lady witness from Bangkok who tested DNA from two accused against cigarettes etc.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

The forensics officer witness explained how surprisingly quick her whole DNA testing process was completed/result available within few hours

Well well JTJ, I really thought you weren't speaking to me!. First as far as I can make out it was only one expert ' woman' who testified and as you have put above both quotes involve a woman not a man.

As a further question to put out there ,but particularly to you as I know how you are so quick to comment on the various issues brought up on here, and to do so you must read diligently every post to maintain your position as chief defender of the RTP .

Can you explain why, hence my opening statement, you have still not replied and answered my questions regarding a few examples of flaws in this case. I know you have read them as you are intelligent and quite meticulous in your argument be it selective. I'm not going to repeat my post on here as you have already ridiculed another poster for alleged not being able to google to find something you have claimed but not produced so I will allow you the pleasure of finding my question to you and your ilk and look forward to your response. Don't worry it's only a few pages back although like I said I'm sure you have read it just you can't answer it. If you still haven't come back to me with suitable replies I will repost again for sure because I and many other sane people would like to see what you have to say. The next few days will be fine! And don't worry I won't conviently forget my obligations!

[Chetzee]

JTJ

so John , i'm guessing you can't find a tv or newspaper link to show that Panya was on his way prior to 15th sept , but if i've got that wrong please flash it up , while i ponder on your mix up Mon & NS !

[smedly]

as has been stated many times by the smart people on this thread, there are many lies being told - diversions - misdirects - hidden evidence - cctv footage withheld or likely destroyed, and still we have people posting here that think everything is dandy, quite shocking the level of stupidity being displayed

Try and refute this one, the running man cctv footage is claimed by a police witness in court to be one of the accused and yet it is clearly that of a taller man and is very obviously not wearing the wrist bands that the B2 were wearing shown clearly in the so called re-enactment on the beach

Also where are the 2x bouncers "Mons pals" that worked in AC bar and have mysteriously disappeared since the murders ?

Lets see how the DNA retest goes and we will see from there, I have a feeling it will never happen

This whole charade should have been filmed from start to finish, it would have made a great training tool for police in the west -

Titled -

########### All the things you must not do when investigating and solving a murder - volume 1 ############

anyone noticed certain people do not reply to my posts because they do not want them repeated all over this thread

[Whyamiandwhatamidoinghere]

Read, understand and respond intelligently should be made mandatory in this form.

We'd be down to about 2 or 3 pages then

Exactly...

[beammeup]

If you arent sure if you have it right or wrong why dont you look it up yourself? Refering to Chetzee above

[JohnThailandJohn]

JTJ

so John , i'm guessing you can't find a tv or newspaper link to show that Panya was on his way prior to 15th sept , but if i've got that wrong please flash it up , while i ponder on your mix up Mon & NS !

As I stated. Google is a tool you are welcome to use. I am not going to hunt down old and obscure news link(s) that have already been shared on this thread numerous times. There is no doubt (ZERO) that the transfer was planned and published before the murders and has been rehashed and shown too many times on these threads. Numerous transfers all around the country were planned and carried out that same day as they typically are in October.

Further it is just sheer ignorance to suggest this original commander is in agreement with anything theorist here are spouting in terms of other being involved. HE cleared the suspects people here keep pointing too including Nom and Mon and the headsman and other family member(s) and it was he who cleared the one in Bangkok based on the fact he was in Bangkok as well as clearing Sean. He was in charge during the crime scene investigation that everyone points to as being bungled and he was the one who right before the arrest stated an arrested was coming in days ... so, it would be reasonable conclusion he was referring to the two defendants since they were on to them before taking them into question. In fact it has been reported they were watching/following them and didn't move until one of them was picked up after leaving the island.

So, what is the point of trying to imply this guy was taken off the case because it has anything to do with the case or somehow he holds some belief these two didn't do it and rather the people HE cleared did????

[Nigeone]

Yes smedly you and I both seem to be having problems getting answers from JTJ and his mates regarding direct questions about

serious flaws in this case. I guess it's easier to answer small grammar or mistaken quotes by posters than direct questions based on facts. It's quite noticeable to most I would think and again calls into question the motivation behind the weak defense of the prosecutions case. I'm a very fair person and I don't think stupid but I'm really finding it hard to understand how obviously intelligent people are actually defending the indefensible . Whoever has done this I'm not sure , but my criticism is based purely on the case as presented up to now not about the innocence or not of the B2. I can of course give a opinion on that!!

[007cableguy]

Jtj what is your opinion on AC bar not allowing the RTP access to it's CCTV?...... Surely they can't have anything to hide?

[JohnThailandJohn]

They had the results before the samples were even taken , just like a person of interest.

Am I the only one reading too much into Andys quote from forensic expert that the results were very quick. Does that mean she maybe handled initial aspects and then another dept or persons dealt with comparisons etc and she was surprised how quick those results came back? As in ready in a hour or two? Any one else have a thought on this quoted comment from her.?

He said a "few hours"

According to him he was referring to the women on the stand who tested the DNA from the two suspects which then was compared and came back as a match. So, I think it clear he was surprised and not the experienced DNA tester whi knows how long a test takes.

There are usually a number of people involved in a Lab but on;y one witness chair.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

Koh Tao murder trial day 6 this morning forensics police lady witness from Bangkok who tested DNA from two accused against cigarettes etc.

Andy Hall ‏@Atomicalandy 15h15 hours ago

The forensics officer witness explained how surprisingly quick her whole DNA testing process was completed/result available within few hours

Well well JTJ, I really thought you weren't speaking to me!. First as far as I can make out it was only one expert ' woman' who testified and as you have put above both quotes involve a woman not a man.

As a further question to put out there ,but particularly to you as I know how you are so quick to comment on the various issues brought up on here, and to do so you must read diligently every post to maintain your position as chief defender of the RTP .

Can you explain why, hence my opening statement, you have still not replied and answered my questions regarding a few examples of flaws in this case. I know you have read them as you are intelligent and quite meticulous in your argument be it selective. I'm not going to repeat my post on here as you have already ridiculed another poster for alleged not being able to google to find something you have claimed but not produced so I will allow you the pleasure of finding my question to you and your ilk and look forward to your response. Don't worry it's only a few pages back although like I said I'm sure you have read it just you can't answer it. If you still haven't come back to me with suitable replies I will repost again for sure because I and many other sane people would like to see what you have to say. The next few days will be fine! And don't worry I won't conviently forget my obligations!

Once again, you are assuming things without basis. First, I have no idea what the man vs women comments are about since both my post and the one I am responding as well as Andy's only refers to the women's testimony. 2nd, I have no idea who you are and even as I type now, I didn't look at your screen name. Lastly, I am not going back to read or seek out your posts to address some theory you had or try to explain to you reality. If you want to ask me something then go ahead and ask and maybe I will answer if I see it. Despite your assumptions, I have read few posts here. I generally see the ones people have responded to one of my post but sometimes miss those if I get a lot of responses after that I generally just look at the last page of posts and if I see something I feel like responding I will. There are only a couple poster's whose posts I will stop and read because I think they may have something worthwhile to share. Others people I don't recall their names but sometimes know them just based on the thing they are harping about and their writing style.

Okay, I just scrolled up and looked at your screen name and I have no idea who you are. After I post, I will scroll up the page and look at your avatar and maybe that will job my memory but honestly, I don't generally look at who I am responding but just at their post. A few folks I can't help but remember that are vocal to me repeatedly or have a strange avatar but usually I tend to only remember the folks who are not on the theorist bandwagon and make reasonable, interesting or fact based posts. So, everything you assumed is wrong as well as me defending the RTP. Cops are corrupt all over and more so in less developed countries but it doesn't mean the people they arrest or are in jail are not guilty of what they are accused. NOTHING I have seen in this case would explain a reason for a frame up that would take a vast conspiracy to pull off including people outside the police department and including the prosecutors and judges who will see and review the evidence.

[JohnThailandJohn]

Jtj what is your opinion on AC bar not allowing the RTP access to it's CCTV?...... Surely they can't have anything to hide?

You would have to point me to the news stories and the source of such a claim for me to have an opinion. I thought I just read there was no video from the bar but if that is not the case, I would need to see the context around what you are asking me to have an opinion about.

[ffaarraanngg]

Yes smedly you and I both seem to be having problems getting answers from JTJ and his mates regarding direct questions about

serious flaws in this case. I guess it's easier to answer small grammar or mistaken quotes by posters than direct questions based on facts. It's quite noticeable to most I would think and again calls into question the motivation behind the weak defense of the prosecutions case. I'm a very fair person and I don't think stupid but I'm really finding it hard to understand how obviously intelligent people are actually defending the indefensible . Whoever has done this I'm not sure , but my criticism is based purely on the case as presented up to now not about the innocence or not of the B2. I can of course give a opinion on that!!

If these muppets were to be shown CCTV footage of (who actually did the crime) they'd still deny it.

[007cableguy]

[quote name="JohnThailandJohn" post=

NOTHING I have seen in this case would explain a reason for a frame up that would take a vast conspiracy to pull off including people outside the police department and including the prosecutors and judges who will see and review the evidence.

I can't believe you're just written that!...... Have you actually been following this case?...... Your unbelievable!

[JohnThailandJohn]

Yes smedly you and I both seem to be having problems getting answers from JTJ and his mates regarding direct questions aboutserious flaws in this case.

No idea what you want me to speculate about. I simply believe the two are guilty because I believe the DNA from the victim and scene is going to show it matched them and I don't believe a mass conspiracy took place to frame them and I believe the other evidence against them such as them being around the scene at the same time, victim phone outside their house, witness saying they gave the phone to him, their being on video buying the same cigarettes, their original lawyer form the embassy stating they confessed to him, outside police presence, while also saying they were abused by police all just ties it together. If the DNA comes into credible question, then I think the two should walk.

If you want me to answer questions about idiotic conspiracy theories you will have to catch me when I am on the mood for such nonsense. Other things like the crime scene bungling is not going to explain how these two DNA was gathered at the scene or how their semen was in one of the victims. Nor am I going to get into idiotic things about how the headsman family killed them and police are scared of them (same police who publicly said they were involved before clearing them as they did many people early on). IMO this is just stupid nonsense FOR SO MANY REASONS that have been mentioned over and over again these past months but ignored by those determined to believe it and I can only handle responding to it once in a while.