Koh Tao murder trial reconvenes in Koh Samui

[Rykbanlor]

I remember early on in the proceedings, and this flies in the face of "200 out of 300 cameras weren't working" if true, that it was reported Mon refused access to CCTV footage. Does anyone remember this, or have a link?

[boomerangutang]

Just a mention of 200 of 300 CCTV cameras supposedly not working: Perhaps defense could call one or more people on the island who instal and maintain CCTV cameras there - and ask them whether/why 2/3 of their work is faulty. Thai cop(s) claim to have looked at 'hundreds of hours' of CCTV from that night, and claimed to have found near nothing of significance to the case. Has defense had access to that footage? Can we, the general public see any of it? Since RTP are studiously not doing their jobs (to protect the general public which they're paid to do), then perhaps we, the general public should set up vigilante police forces to do the jobs RTP are incapable of doing. We could hire Israelis or Scandinavians - as they're much better at policing and solving crimes than RTP could ever hope to be.

The camera showing the entrance to AC bar was working that night, because we've seen David entering at 1:30 am. Yet, did the camera break after that moment? Why is there no additional footage after 1:30? What about the only camera (of 300) which seemed to be (at least partially) functioning that night - which showed 'Running Man.' Can defense or us concerned citizens see the rest of that footage, from midnight to 6 am? .....and the heavyset farang and his Asian g.f., what of them? There are thousands of possible leads in this case. If I was a police academy teacher grading the individual police on how well they performed their duties: I wouldn't give them F's, I wouldn't even give them 'incompletes' ....I'd give them 'despicable' and report them to authorities for indictment on criminal charges.

[Shermanator]

I remember early on in the proceedings, and this flies in the face of "200 out of 300 cameras weren't working" if true, that it was reported Mon refused access to CCTV footage. Does anyone remember this, or have a link?

Here's one cockup link reg. the police not doing their job, not checking (on purpose) important CCTV recordings: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/koh-tao-murder-trail/2003156.html

[stephenterry]

If she has tested that wouldn't the results be in the system now and they just need a match.

I don't understand why she is saying inconclusive if she knows the DNA does not match Hannah / David or the B2.

Maybe the defence missed a trick there. What does 'inconclusive' mean? No doubt when it was returned, the RTP said it matches. I think 11 September will be very enlightening after Win completes his testimony and Ms Pornthip takes the stand. I think this will be the day when key DNA evidence is submitted that contests that of the prosecution's assertions.

If, and when, that happens it will be all downhill for the defence, bolstered by the professional crime scene witness, and possibly statements from other UK witnesses. They could probably attain 'reasonable doubt' that the prosecution case has not been proven, in which case a not guilty verdict should be the outcome at this court. Then there will be an appeal...

I agree somewhat. But I even Ms Pontip will likely have limitations on what she can or cannot say. For starters, she probably won't be allowed to mention DNA as it relates to the Headman's family or mafia-like buddies. Also, if she's apprised of whatever was found out about the hair (even if it was 'inconclusive'), she will probably have to keep quiet on that also, as it's now officially been lost.

British forensics, whether official or privately garnered, isn't under such restrictions. Brit officials will probably skirt the issue of H's peoples' DNA but the expert working independently may be able to speak his true thoughts.

That's a basic dynamic running like a thread through this entire case, from 5 am Monday morning Sept 15, 2014 to today, and beyond. The truth is getting trampled, and there are concerted & sustained efforts from several powerful entities to keep truth. from being aired. The near-gag order from the court, and the gag order on Thai news outlets are just two of many proofs. Other proofs: 200 of 300 CCTV cameras purportedly not working in the vicinity of the crime. Mon only asked about whether he was told of the crime early on Monday morning, ...nothing more. The list is long and sad.

Do Thai parents and teachers teach their kids that it's fine to tell lies? If so, that might partly explain why lying is endemic to Thais.

Where I'm coming from is the results of the DNA samples taken from the B2 in court, which I hope will not be a match to Hannah's samples (possibly obtained from the uk.) The defence went to great lengths to ensure chain of custody throughout the process, and the profiles (logically) won't match those presented by the RTP. Should be a turning point in this case.

[Rykbanlor]

Also from BKK post September 30th -

Col. Chaisak said Police had narrowed their search down to males at least 174cm tall.

And then they widened it again???

B2 are not even close to 174cm, they are not even 170cm tall, how did that change???

[Rykbanlor]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

[AleG]

What i don't understand is that The police pathologist who carried out the autopsy said in July that the investigation had set the evidence aside because of the inconclusive test result.

If she has tested that wouldn't the results be in the system now and they just need a match.

I don't understand why she is saying inconclusive if she knows the DNA does not match Hannah / David or the B2.

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/senior_police_officers_give_contradictory_evidence_at_hannah_witheridge_murder_trial_1_4215995?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

"I don't understand why she is saying inconclusive if she knows the DNA does not match Hannah / David or the B2."

If the results of the analysis would had been a match with one of those people then they wouldn't be inconclusive, would they?

[thailandchilli]

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Edited September 3, 2015 by thailandchilli

[AleG]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

"The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man" your fact is not a fact, it's one more of a long list of unwarranted assumptions made by armchair detectives.

Perhaps people should stop derailing a thread about the real court case into their whodunit games, again.

[Darkknight666]

I keep thinking... Motive and intent, motive and intent.... I think it's pretty obvious that this was more than just a rape gone wrong, this was a premeditated attack carried out by someone who had close to zero fear of ever being caught, because that person knew someone would clean up their mess. If the B2 commited this crime why didn't they just drag both bodies and all the clothes out to sea? And flee the island immediately? The island was never "barricaded" until way after the bodies had been reported. Are we to believe that because of their nationality they're completely clueless as to how police and jail work? I don't buy it.

The reason the attack wasn't interrupted is the only one who tried was over powered and killed.. That, coupled with the fact that any possible witness would have seen a horrible crime carried out by someone of a much higher social class and you can get an idea of why all the Burmese who were initially willing to help have now disapeared. The intimidation factor is huge, the most likely witnesses have no influence or social standing in this country.

The only way I'll ever believe the B2 were involved is if they were ordered by someone else to be an accessory. The DNA is gone, nobody will ever know what really happened that night. However, I am a firm believer in karma, and those who killed Hannah and David will get their karma.. You can visit the temple a million times and pile your merit sky high- this stain will never leave their conscience.

[Darkknight666]

Interesting post I found today in another forum:

That the former police head, Panya named them, even had Mon in for questioning quoting the video as evidence , and then was removed from the case the next day.

Mon was DNA sampled and cleared, however I believe Panya made a mistake assuming only the rapists were present, and Mon may well have simply handled the hoe using a cloth and left no DNA whatsoever. The rapists, Nomsod and friends are separate from the murderer(s), Mon and the police buddy IMO

http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2014/09/2...second-updated

(This story was updated to reflect that a suspect [Mon] was detained, not arrested as indicated in a Thai PBS report.)

Nomsod gave a questionable alibi ( doctored still pics from a CCTV ) that then had him exonerated and excused him from DNA testing.

The still from CCTV footage of Nomsod's aparment complex ( not the Univ CCTV as claimed by his lawyer ) used as an alibi was from some time ago as the arrangement of furniture showed. Also a glass door was photo shopped poorly as was the time stamp.

Nomsod's girlfriend , has him missing over that weekend on her facebook posts.

The cousin who offered an alibi Nomsod was in Bangkok with her was actually in Pattaya

Mon was mixing in the crime scene.

And the family and extended members are well known mafia types who are affiliated with Suthep, even as guards at the rallies, hence the chain of protection extends to the very top.

hi -your posts are regurgitating stuff that has been discussed ad infinitum on here. Nevertheless, worth repeating for newbies tuning in.

A late arrival, I was one myself (to posting) and I did the same thing, still do.

Let the fella catch up with a bit of help from the forum eh?

[Rykbanlor]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

"The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man" your fact is not a fact, it's one more of a long list of unwarranted assumptions made by armchair detectives.

Perhaps people should stop derailing a thread about the real court case into their whodunit games, again.

No, it was widely reported, but that answer I expected from you. No I will not cite any sources for you, feel free to accuse me of not backing up my posts with facts, but I have nothing to prove to you, good day!

[smedly]

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ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will not be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it should be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

I agree that Nomsod is not on trial at this court. But your second sentence, whilst being true, won't happen here because it should have already happened.

I am simply stating what should happen not what will happen, my opinion on that is well known and understood I believe, I have corrected my post above as I left out a word and used would instead of should (should have read it before posting, I've had a coffee now

[stephenterry]

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ok so lets be clear about this

Nomsod in not on trial, the defense team are not police or prosecutors so Nomsod, Mon, Shark tooth guy or anyone else for that matter will not be in this court room unless they have direct witness input.

If however someone uncovers undeniable ground breaking provable evidence that implicates them or anyone else then it should be reported to the police and it would be their duty to follow it up and investigate

I agree that Nomsod is not on trial at this court. But your second sentence, whilst being true, won't happen here because it should have already happened.

I am simply stating what should happen not what will happen, my opinion on that is well known and understood I believe, I have corrected my post above as I left out a word and used would instead of should (should have read it before posting, I've had a coffee now

I'm not criticising, or being clever, no offence meant.

Where I am coming from is that's there's little point stating what should happen when it already hasn't. The RTP had numerous leads and evidence that pointed elsewhere but didn't follow it up or dismissed it. I doubt that any new investigation will take place whatever happens now, because this is how it happens here. See Kirsty Jones case, for a good example.

What we could all hope for, after this case has been through the torture allegations examination, is that a sea change of opinion from the very top, re law and order, and justice, takes place.

Edited September 3, 2015 by stephenterry

[Richard Hall]

We all knew they were being tortured into making confessions, when they released statements like the investigation is 75% complete.

Wow, am I the only exception that doesn't.

No, I'm sure there's another 5 or 6 that don't also, but no problem they'll be along soon to give your post a like

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

Edited September 3, 2015 by Richard Hall

[thailandchilli]

We all knew they were being tortured into making confessions, when they released statements like the investigation is 75% complete.

Wow, am I the only exception that doesn't.

No, I'm sure there's another 5 or 6 that don't also, but no problem they'll be along soon to give your post a like

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

The International Commission of Jurists are seriously concerned enough about the testimony of torture to make them after their firsts days observation release their first statement demanding an independent enquiry, so we now have the following:

International Commission of Jurists

The UK Goverment FCO

Amnesty International

Reprieve

and thats just the ones off the top of my head who are demanding an independent enquiry into this. The graphic details of the torture that Zaw Lin testified to were enough to make his distraught mother run out of the court and be physically sick.

You differ in your opinion, well thats your right.

[Richard Hall]

This Trial has really screwed up Thailand's image .. and will continue to do so, whatever the outcome.

I don't entirely agree with you. Anyone who has lived in Thailand for any length of time know what goes on and how justice is seen to be done but not necessarily with the right guilty parties. Solving a crime is more important than getting the real perps for the crime.! Hence the problems. All this trial has done is confirm and bring out into the open what really goes on behind the land of smiles. Money talks I'm afraid but I do agree that many who were not aware of how it works will have there eyes opened. I feel incredibly sad for the parents and family of Hannah and David as if it's not enough to lose your loved ones you then have to witness and read about the disgrace of the RTP prosecutions case and the fragrant lies and covering up of so much information. Justice is not going to be done in this trial but maybe at least the B2 might be found not guilty and freed. That's as much as can be hoped for I feel because they are not going to revisit the crime scene and evidence not submitted etc as it will incriminate the protected! and expose the powers that be that hold the purse strings. Sad but true. However the world and human rights are watching and have so much more information because of this trial so who knows , maybe it will lead to a more professional and honest investigation in the future ! I'm not holding my breath sadly !

Yes, indeed. Many who were not aware of how the judicial system works in Thailand have had their eyes opened. Justice seems to be the least of their considerations.

Excuse me, but the O.J. Simpson case did not involve Thai justice. There was a double murder but no murderer. Case closed. Understanding of justice in the premium world?

[Darkknight666]

452 people reading this thread, 60 are members and the rest are guests. I can't wait for the next round of testimonies, Think there are a lot of people paying attention now... You just wait and see how the defense takes the wind from the sails of the RTP.

[smedly]

If it was up to me I would have every man made structure on that Island bulldozed and removed, all the people removed and return it to nature, there is something very evil there, it is out of control and needs cleansed.

[AleG]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

"The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man" your fact is not a fact, it's one more of a long list of unwarranted assumptions made by armchair detectives.

Perhaps people should stop derailing a thread about the real court case into their whodunit games, again.

No, it was widely reported, but that answer I expected from you. No I will not cite any sources for you, feel free to accuse me of not backing up my posts with facts, but I have nothing to prove to you, good day!

Well, I'll do it for you then, this is where that particular nugget of misinformation originated:

"Police have confirmed that Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene and they still did not rule out a possible connection."

Of course the misinformation part comes exclusively from people that took "the CCTV video footage" to mean what they dubbed The "Running Man" footage, the CCTV footage could be from any other number of cameras, at any other time; therefore the verdict of unwarranted assumption, therefore not a "fact".

If you actually have an interest justice you shouldn't be so sloppy about facts, because that's how innocent people end up paying for things they didn't do.

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Edited September 3, 2015 by AleG

[canuckamuck]

If someone owns a business adjacent to a major crime and that person has multiple cctv cameras that would contain, most certainly, evidence that would be instrumental to solving the case. A case which is international in scope and drawing a tremendous amount of attention in a negative way to the country and to the owner of the establishment. How is it possible that warrants are not presented to demand the cctv evidence? And what does it say about the person denying the access to the evidence?

At the very least, you would conclude that something is being hidden. More likely people would conclude something more serious.

[fxe1200]

The Thai police were so close to finalize this case, and then they messed it all up. They again should start from here: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

[AleG]

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

In any case the allegations of torture are neither here or there in respect of whether they are innocent or not. If they were tortured that doesn't change the reality of what happened before it, if the physical evidence proves their guilt then the confessions or "confessions" are largely irrelevant, which I know it's going to rattle some people but it is what the defenders of Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin have been saying all along, isn't it?

I, for one, I'm more interested in finding out the truth about the murders first.

[Rykbanlor]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

"The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man" your fact is not a fact, it's one more of a long list of unwarranted assumptions made by armchair detectives.

Perhaps people should stop derailing a thread about the real court case into their whodunit games, again.

No, it was widely reported, but that answer I expected from you. No I will not cite any sources for you, feel free to accuse me of not backing up my posts with facts, but I have nothing to prove to you, good day!

Well, I'll do it for you then, this is were that particular nugget of misinformation originated:

"Police have confirmed that Montriwat is the man appeared in the CCTV video footage near the scene and they still did not rule out a possible connection."

Of course the misinformation part comes exclusively from people that took that to mean "the CCTV video footage" to mean what they dubbed the "Running Man" footage, the CCTV footage could be from any other number of cameras, at any other time; therefore the verdict of unwarranted assumption, therefore not a "fact".

If you actually have an interest justice you shouldn't be so sloppy about facts, because that's how innocent people end up paying for things they didn't do.

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I wonder which unseen footage they are talking about then, it can't be the footage that Mon refused to allow access to. But I am sure you will manage to come up with an explanation for that too.

And if two innocent people end up taking the fall for something, it won't be down to my being sloppy with facts.

[grumpyoldman]

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

In any case the allegations of torture are neither here or there in respect of whether they are innocent or not. If they were tortured that doesn't change the reality of what happened before it, if the physical evidence proves their guilt then the confessions or "confessions" are largely irrelevant, which I know it's going to rattle some people but it is what the defenders of Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin have been saying all along, isn't it?

I, for one, I'm more interested in finding out the truth about the murders first.

We all would like "the truth about the murders" AleG, but that doesn't come about through torture and dodgy police work now, does it.

It doesn't come about when clearly, certain evidence is being suppressed.

It doesn't come about with juvenile court tactics such as dropping a load of new docs on the judge on the final day.

We all want the truth, but getting there seems to make getting to the top of Everest a walk in the park.

[thailandchilli]

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

In any case the allegations of torture are neither here or there in respect of whether they are innocent or not. If they were tortured that doesn't change the reality of what happened before it, if the physical evidence proves their guilt then the confessions or "confessions" are largely irrelevant, which I know it's going to rattle some people but it is what the defenders of Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin have been saying all along, isn't it?

I, for one, I'm more interested in finding out the truth about the murders first.

Yes the RTP are more interested in getting a conviction first they also consider the tortures to be neither here nor there to get that conviction.

[frank83628]

I remember early on in the proceedings, and this flies in the face of "200 out of 300 cameras weren't working" if true, that it was reported Mon refused access to CCTV footage. Does anyone remember this, or have a link?

Here's one cockup link reg. the police not doing their job, not checking (on purpose) important CCTV recordings: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/koh-tao-murder-trail/2003156.html

I'm not too sure what the CCTV at the pier is supposed to contain?, KT pier is a large area when the night boats sit all day, the seatran to samui is to the right side of them, the lomprayah that goes to samui and bangkok is on the left but a separate pier some 20m away from the main pier structure..in between are dive boats….so not sure what they would be expecting to see there other than tourists coming and going, certainly no speed boats would rush someone off the island from there, they would just pull up to the beach…if thats what you're implying with your 'on purpose' comment.

[Richard Hall]

Just wondering, if I don't get 5 or 6 likes as predicted am I entitled to torture those out of some people since as all others know this is well established tradition in Thailand, isn't it?

The Kritsuda case of last year comes to mind. The poor girl was tortured by the military regime as all but me knew and there was the global worrying upon she had disappeared for several weeks.

Now, a year has passed and there is nothing left but the silence of the lambs. She has gone lost now obviously forever but no one appears to give a hoot anymore despite all the previous knowledge. This is indeed kind of puzzling. Where has all the knowledge gone?

In any case the allegations of torture are neither here or there in respect of whether they are innocent or not. If they were tortured that doesn't change the reality of what happened before it, if the physical evidence proves their guilt then the confessions or "confessions" are largely irrelevant, which I know it's going to rattle some people but it is what the defenders of Wai Phyo and Zaw Lin have been saying all along, isn't it?

I, for one, I'm more interested in finding out the truth about the murders first.

We all would like "the truth about the murders" AleG, but that doesn't come about through torture and dodgy police work now, does it.

It doesn't come about when clearly, certain evidence is being suppressed.

It doesn't come about with juvenile court tactics such as dropping a load of new docs on the judge on the final day.

We all want the truth, but getting there seems to make getting to the top of Everest a walk in the park.

Me thinks that the parties most interested that the real culprits are held responsible are the families of the victims who as media reported are present and observing the case.

Whatever the outcome will eventually be as long those people do not cry "foul" about it at least I will be satisfied.

For them it must be most disturbing if just scapegoats are sacrificed while the real culprits go free while other people and organisations most likely have just their own personal agenda. Politics. Which may well be just defaming the Thai justice system because of personal grudges.

[mcm991]

The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man is already highly suspicious, because, whoever you may think it was, it most obviously wasn;t him, so why would he claim it was him? Was he trying to protect a couple of strangers?

These are questions the shills just ignore because they can't spin it. Or they will say - bad reporting, lost in translation.

"The fact that Mon claimed to be the running man" your fact is not a fact, it's one more of a long list of unwarranted assumptions made by armchair detectives.

Perhaps people should stop derailing a thread about the real court case into their whodunit games, again.

No, it was widely reported, but that answer I expected from you. No I will not cite any sources for you, feel free to accuse me of not backing up my posts with facts, but I have nothing to prove to you, good day!

....... snip......

If you actually have an interest justice you shouldn't be so sloppy about facts, because that's how innocent people end up paying for things they didn't do.

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Beautiful, AleG. You made me smile.

Now go and look up irony in the dictionary ....... there's a good lad.

[thailandchilli]

I remember early on in the proceedings, and this flies in the face of "200 out of 300 cameras weren't working" if true, that it was reported Mon refused access to CCTV footage. Does anyone remember this, or have a link?

Here's one cockup link reg. the police not doing their job, not checking (on purpose) important CCTV recordings: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/koh-tao-murder-trail/2003156.html

I'm not too sure what the CCTV at the pier is supposed to contain?, KT pier is a large area when the night boats sit all day, the seatran to samui is to the right side of them, the lomprayah that goes to samui and bangkok is on the left but a separate pier some 20m away from the main pier structure..in between are dive boats….so not sure what they would be expecting to see there other than tourists coming and going, certainly no speed boats would rush someone off the island from there, they would just pull up to the beach…if thats what you're implying with your 'on purpose' comment.

Sounds like you should have joined the investigation then, nope we don't need to view that cctv because we're not too sure what it would contain!!!! Well looking would actually reveal if it contained anything or not, its worth a peek no? Double murder and all that.