Yingluck flayed for dragging her feet

[orchidlady]

How about they give her this last request for additional witnesses but she has to ensure they appear at the given time-no delays having to find the people as they said other witnesses were hard to find or get to cooperate. If she can't do this that witness is removed and no replacement.

[smutcakes]

How about they give her this last request for additional witnesses but she has to ensure they appear at the given time-no delays having to find the people as they said other witnesses were hard to find or get to cooperate. If she can't do this that witness is removed and no replacement.

How about they let the legal process run its course. Perhaps if they dont like it they should of reformed it, something which in my personal opinion is probably over and above things like police reform in terms of necessity and importance.

[sirineou]

Flayed??

That;s a bit drastic isn't it? was it a public flaying? Does anyone have video?

[tbthailand]

in any normal country it would be unethical for the government spokesman to be disparaging the defendant in a court case brought by the government...

[sweatalot]

I don't remember any court case where the criminal was allowed to delay by naming more and more witnesses again and again.

I thought a case goes to court as soon as the prosecutor think they have enough proof.

[metisdead]

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[Stargeezr]

When I read Flayed, I was hoping for a picture of the Stocks and a whip of some kind.

I think the word scolded may have been more appropriate. Just another rich person

trying to get out of doing any time in jail for the wrong that they have done.

Next story please.

[halloween]

in any normal country it would be unethical for the government spokesman to be disparaging the defendant in a court case brought by the government...

In any "normal country" the defendant would never have been in the position to propose clearly unsustainable election policy.

In any "normal country" the defendant would not have been elected PM by MPs being paid to be members of her brother's political party. Nor would she, other crony scum and a raft of criminals have been admitted to parliament on the back of bribed MP 's votes.

In any "normal country" the defendant would have appeared in parliament to defend her policy, and produced clear and accurate records of cost and benefit.

[englishoak]

yea yea, and just as pathetic make believe drama acting from all as any Thai soap, just cant turn the damn thing off.

[Plutojames88]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Plutojames88

[Baerboxer]

Most of what this Sanserm chap says is itter toilet. But on this case i concur with him, but yes i also realize that he should not be saying it.

At the start, think long and hard about who will help you to fight the charges you face and get them on board or on a secondary / back up list.

Calling new people 3 extra times is farcical. If she was really innocent of dereliction of duty she'd simply be able to show written records of appropriate meetings SHE attended steps that were taken due to HER orders, and solutons given by HER that were actioned by her team.

The fact she is hesitant to do any of this raises serious doubts about her ability to fight the charges of dereliction of duty

She is just doing what others would do to, trying to delay it hoping that a change of government would see the charges dropped.

Of course I would have done the same, to save my skin.

But yes she is just dragging her feet and if the courts are serious they will put a stop to it.

If you check that's what she has always done. Dragged things out, avoided answering questions or provided long winded meaningless statements that don't actually say anything. The normal preference is to lie. If that doesn't work for some reason, then drag it out, avoid answering and hope it all dies down and simply goes away. Always maintaining total innocence, to everything ever, and use FB to plead for sympathy. Of course, never mentioning for example that she never even bothered turning up at the meetings she was supposed to chair.

She asked the Ombudsman for more time to answer his questions on the illegal issuing of her brother's replacement passports. She asked for more time on several occasions and then simply ignored it. Changes in Ombudsman and the questions now seem forgotten,

This is not unique and a M.O. adopted by many. In worst case, you have to do a runner like Red Bull Boy; or play for time as in the odd death of the tycoon in the minor car crash and massive share transfer - need the time to work an "acceptable" solution out.

Yingluck though, doesn't seem to have a brilliant legal team. A bit too obvious, not subtle in how they play for time, using the same last minute tactic over and over again. Nor are their statements as to what they believe the law is particularly convincing. Maybe because she really does believe she is above and beyond the law and that this is all pantomime for the masses and won't have any consequences. She may just be wrong.

[Baerboxer]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

You've already decided to keep out of Thailand, so how do you know how popular she is? Your GF tell you?

She had some popularity, seen as new and fresh, but lost a lot as she proved simply a puppet. The cock ups on the rice scheme, tablets for children, flood management, constant trips, constant missing parliament, the constant lies and pretend tears, and the final straw was the audacious attempt to fiddle through a complete whitewash for her criminal brother. She was found out for what she was, simply the Shin pretty and a puppet for her brother.

Remember the Shins attempts to keep power - the "beating the war drums red shirt rallies" the founding of the "democracy defense volunteers" (hahaha) and the attempts to stir up mass support at home and foreign intervention? All failed. Too many people see them now for what they are.

The people won't care less what happens to her, apart from those bought and paid for or who still feel the duty of patronage to that family clan,

[ginjag]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

Where do you get this rubbish from quote " she is popular with the MAJORITY of Thais " ???

To my mind a long time has elapsed since the onset, a deadline should be given for all witnesses /further questions.

Not this soap opera that YOU are condoning. If the prosecution was with a voted in government, WOULD you and others on TVF still defend her ?? if so WHY. look at the evidence--the neglect ?? as defense Minister--PM and chairperson who is being paid to oversee the running of a Thai government.

[smutcakes]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

You've already decided to keep out of Thailand, so how do you know how popular she is? Your GF tell you?

She had some popularity, seen as new and fresh, but lost a lot as she proved simply a puppet. The cock ups on the rice scheme, tablets for children, flood management, constant trips, constant missing parliament, the constant lies and pretend tears, and the final straw was the audacious attempt to fiddle through a complete whitewash for her criminal brother. She was found out for what she was, simply the Shin pretty and a puppet for her brother.

Remember the Shins attempts to keep power - the "beating the war drums red shirt rallies" the founding of the "democracy defense volunteers" (hahaha) and the attempts to stir up mass support at home and foreign intervention? All failed. Too many people see them now for what they are.

The people won't care less what happens to her, apart from those bought and paid for or who still feel the duty of patronage to that family clan,

And what makes you the sage and authority on what 60odd million people are thinking?

[Baerboxer]

How about they give her this last request for additional witnesses but she has to ensure they appear at the given time-no delays having to find the people as they said other witnesses were hard to find or get to cooperate. If she can't do this that witness is removed and no replacement.

How about they let the legal process run its course. Perhaps if they dont like it they should of reformed it, something which in my personal opinion is probably over and above things like police reform in terms of necessity and importance.

The Justice and law System requires massive reform - and that included the branches responsible for enforcement, prosecutions, as well as the court systems.

The constant delaying tactic is something Yingluck and the Shin family political vehicle use over and over again. As do others in a myriad of cases.

But, it is what it is. And no political party, government, elected or otherwise, has shown the least bit interest in really changing it.

Maybe, the ones at the top like it this way? Regardless of which political party or group they currently claim allegiance too.

As for this case, new witnesses should be admitted if they have new evidence. If they don't and can't show why they are being called then they should not be permitted.

[Baerboxer]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

You've already decided to keep out of Thailand, so how do you know how popular she is? Your GF tell you?

She had some popularity, seen as new and fresh, but lost a lot as she proved simply a puppet. The cock ups on the rice scheme, tablets for children, flood management, constant trips, constant missing parliament, the constant lies and pretend tears, and the final straw was the audacious attempt to fiddle through a complete whitewash for her criminal brother. She was found out for what she was, simply the Shin pretty and a puppet for her brother.

Remember the Shins attempts to keep power - the "beating the war drums red shirt rallies" the founding of the "democracy defense volunteers" (hahaha) and the attempts to stir up mass support at home and foreign intervention? All failed. Too many people see them now for what they are.

The people won't care less what happens to her, apart from those bought and paid for or who still feel the duty of patronage to that family clan,

And what makes you the sage and authority on what 60odd million people are thinking?

Nothing - and neither is he or you.

But the red cheer leaders love to pretend they know what the "majority" of Thais think.

Edited January 2, 2016 by Baerboxer

[smutcakes]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

You've already decided to keep out of Thailand, so how do you know how popular she is? Your GF tell you?

She had some popularity, seen as new and fresh, but lost a lot as she proved simply a puppet. The cock ups on the rice scheme, tablets for children, flood management, constant trips, constant missing parliament, the constant lies and pretend tears, and the final straw was the audacious attempt to fiddle through a complete whitewash for her criminal brother. She was found out for what she was, simply the Shin pretty and a puppet for her brother.

Remember the Shins attempts to keep power - the "beating the war drums red shirt rallies" the founding of the "democracy defense volunteers" (hahaha) and the attempts to stir up mass support at home and foreign intervention? All failed. Too many people see them now for what they are.

The people won't care less what happens to her, apart from those bought and paid for or who still feel the duty of patronage to that family clan,

And what makes you the sage and authority on what 60odd million people are thinking?

Nothing - and neither is he or you.

But the red cheer leaders love to pretend they know what the "majority" of Thais think.

So why do you write a long post explaining why she lost all her support if you dont know?

[Baerboxer]

It is her right by law to request more witnesses, if you don't allow said witnesses, she has an absolute case for appeal as they would be preventing her from making her case.

Even if it is a delay tactic, it's valid and within the rules of the law. At least until the junta changes the law to do whatever they want the law to do.

Is it her right to keep requesting more witnesses just before the deadlines to string it out?

Can you provide a link please to the relevant Thai law that allows the defense to continually add to the witness list during the process? And also any law that would place the defendant in contempt of court for prevaricating and deliberately wasting the courts time?

Appreciate those links as I'm not a Thai Law expert like you.

[Baerboxer]

And what makes you the sage and authority on what 60odd million people are thinking?

Nothing - and neither is he or you.

But the red cheer leaders love to pretend they know what the "majority" of Thais think.

So why do you write a long post explaining why she lost all her support if you dont know?

Not that it's anything to do with you what I post. But, rather than simply declare she's unpopular or not, as the red cheerleaders do, in their attempt to present it as an undeniable fact, I like to offer some reasons as to why that gloss may be tarnished,

Long post? I guess for you it maybe is.

[ramrod711]

Predictable lack of sympathy here for the poor patsy Yingluck, but she is only doing what every other rich influential Thai has always done - play the Thai legal system in order to avoid any serious consequences. Will she get aw? She could ask her ex-sister-in-law for advice. Or any other member of her family, perhaps. Oh wait....that's what got her into this mess.

She could ask Suthep, he is the all time master .

I suggest that Chalerm is in the running. He says he is only guilty of loving his children too much. Does anyone believe that is all he is guilty of?

[billd766]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

How many Thais and in what regions have you personally spoken to and asked their opinion of Yingluck?

[Si Thea01]

Since when does the government have a say in the judicial process. This just confirms they are running the system for their own agenda because for a justice system to function correctly, it must be beyond any political interference.

S 44

That's why she was charged with dereliction of duty causing damage, under Section 157 of the Criminal Code, and failure to perform her duty as a state official, under the Anti-Corruption Act 1999, to stop corruption in the rice-pledging scheme. Nothing to do with S 44, one way or another. The government, regardless if it's Junta or otherwise, is within it's rights to criticise, as long as it does not interfere with the judicial process, which they have not.

[scorecard]

If they do not allow correct legal defences and on the back of other ""dubious rulings ""such as a recent case involving Burmese and subsequent death sentences , submit a guilty finding , Thailand could explode.

She is very popular with the majority of Thais .

And jailing her would motivate political ignition.

Naah, don't agree with all your points.

[scorecard]

Most of what this Sanserm chap says is itter toilet. But on this case i concur with him, but yes i also realize that he should not be saying it.

At the start, think long and hard about who will help you to fight the charges you face and get them on board or on a secondary / back up list.

Calling new people 3 extra times is farcical. If she was really innocent of dereliction of duty she'd simply be able to show written records of appropriate meetings SHE attended steps that were taken due to HER orders, and solutons given by HER that were actioned by her team.

The fact she is hesitant to do any of this raises serious doubts about her ability to fight the charges of dereliction of duty

She is just doing what others would do to, trying to delay it hoping that a change of government would see the charges dropped.

Of course I would have done the same, to save my skin.

But yes she is just dragging her feet and if the courts are serious they will put a stop to it.

If you check that's what she has always done. Dragged things out, avoided answering questions or provided long winded meaningless statements that don't actually say anything. The normal preference is to lie. If that doesn't work for some reason, then drag it out, avoid answering and hope it all dies down and simply goes away. Always maintaining total innocence, to everything ever, and use FB to plead for sympathy. Of course, never mentioning for example that she never even bothered turning up at the meetings she was supposed to chair.

She asked the Ombudsman for more time to answer his questions on the illegal issuing of her brother's replacement passports. She asked for more time on several occasions and then simply ignored it. Changes in Ombudsman and the questions now seem forgotten,

This is not unique and a M.O. adopted by many. In worst case, you have to do a runner like Red Bull Boy; or play for time as in the odd death of the tycoon in the minor car crash and massive share transfer - need the time to work an "acceptable" solution out.

Yingluck though, doesn't seem to have a brilliant legal team. A bit too obvious, not subtle in how they play for time, using the same last minute tactic over and over again. Nor are their statements as to what they believe the law is particularly convincing. Maybe because she really does believe she is above and beyond the law and that this is all pantomime for the masses and won't have any consequences. She may just be wrong.

Agree, especially your comment "...Always maintaining total innocence, to everything ever ..."

Actually the puppet talking / cloned /copied from her brothers frequent statement "...I have done nothing wrong...".

[Skywalker69]

Most of what this Sanserm chap says is itter toilet. But on this case i concur with him, but yes i also realize that he should not be saying it.

At the start, think long and hard about who will help you to fight the charges you face and get them on board or on a secondary / back up list.

Calling new people 3 extra times is farcical. If she was really innocent of dereliction of duty she'd simply be able to show written records of appropriate meetings SHE attended steps that were taken due to HER orders, and solutons given by HER that were actioned by her team.

The fact she is hesitant to do any of this raises serious doubts about her ability to fight the charges of dereliction of duty

She is just doing what others would do to, trying to delay it hoping that a change of government would see the charges dropped.

Of course I would have done the same, to save my skin.

But yes she is just dragging her feet and if the courts are serious they will put a stop to it.

If you check that's what she has always done. Dragged things out, avoided answering questions or provided long winded meaningless statements that don't actually say anything. The normal preference is to lie. If that doesn't work for some reason, then drag it out, avoid answering and hope it all dies down and simply goes away. Always maintaining total innocence, to everything ever, and use FB to plead for sympathy. Of course, never mentioning for example that she never even bothered turning up at the meetings she was supposed to chair.

She asked the Ombudsman for more time to answer his questions on the illegal issuing of her brother's replacement passports. She asked for more time on several occasions and then simply ignored it. Changes in Ombudsman and the questions now seem forgotten,

This is not unique and a M.O. adopted by many. In worst case, you have to do a runner like Red Bull Boy; or play for time as in the odd death of the tycoon in the minor car crash and massive share transfer - need the time to work an "acceptable" solution out.

Yingluck though, doesn't seem to have a brilliant legal team. A bit too obvious, not subtle in how they play for time, using the same last minute tactic over and over again. Nor are their statements as to what they believe the law is particularly convincing. Maybe because she really does believe she is above and beyond the law and that this is all pantomime for the masses and won't have any consequences. She may just be wrong.

She also dragged her feet concerning questions about Thaksin's passport.

[rubl]

Well, it would seem that a lot of posters here agree that Ms. Yingluck is dragging her pretty feet. Isn't a working justice system nice

[Prbkk]

Well, it would seem that a lot of posters here agree that Ms. Yingluck is dragging her pretty feet. Isn't a working justice system nice

She is exercising her right to be heard....the fundamental and basic right of every person charged. Be more patient.

[than]

Well, it would seem that a lot of posters here agree that Ms. Yingluck is dragging her pretty feet. Isn't a working justice system nice

She is exercising her right to be heard....the fundamental and basic right of every person charged. Be more patient.

But when her "witness" have nothing do with this case, this move appeared to be an act to delay

[sweatalot]

Well, it would seem that a lot of posters here agree that Ms. Yingluck is dragging her pretty feet. Isn't a working justice system nice

working justice system .... yes in this case but...

If only the justice system would be working in other cases as well (Koh Tao e.g.)

[sweatalot]

Well, it would seem that a lot of posters here agree that Ms. Yingluck is dragging her pretty feet. Isn't a working justice system nice

She is exercising her right to be heard....the fundamental and basic right of every person charged. Be more patient.

How much time should a criminal have to "collect" her witnesses?

I don't understand why there is no deadline

- otherwise the court will never be able to decide