DPM Prawit: there will be no restructuring in police reform

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DPM Prawit: there will be no restructuring in police reform

BANGKOK, 20 January 2016, (NNT) - Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister General Prawit Wongsuwan has stressed there will be no restructuring of the Royal Thai Police force, and indicated that any plans for reform must create public confidence in the police, and maintain the transparency of its operations.

The Defense Minister revealed that the Royal Thai Police (RTP) is establishing a reform committee, which consists of selected officials and residents. General Prawit said the key objectives of reform include improving its investigative skills and cooperation with judges and the community.

He mentioned reforming the agencies under the RTP with a goal of future collaboration in mind, while highlighting that reform would not involve restructuring the police force.

General Prawit reiterated that police reform would also aim at creating greater public confidence in the authority, while maintaining righteous commitment.


-- NNT 2016-01-20

[ldiablo]

No reform of the RTP is a dead giveaway that this government is not serious about dealing with corruption or reforming the country.

We all know the RTP are the best and least corrupt in the world so no need for reforms.

Edited January 20, 2016 by ldiablo

[PumbaBangkok]

Perhaps it's as simple as what the RTP knows about corrupt Army practice going back 30+ years?

[inaktive]

only way i can see them getting anything like a legitimate Police Force working for the People instead their own pockets is fire them all and then start from scratch best with lots of foreigners making sure it doesnt end up like it is now

[mark131v]

Who would have thought it....

The people that took power at gunpoint after telling the Thais it is necessary and to rid society of corruption would then, almost 2 years on, decide not to take the opportunity to try and sort out what is commonly regarded both in Thailand and abroad as a top to bottom disgustingly corrupt organization

Well I never....

Edited January 20, 2016 by mark131v

[Nigeone]

'Maintain the transparency of its actions' !!...there having another laugh surely !

Since when have the RTP had any sort of transparency. And as for improving its investigation skills shouldn't that read devolving some investigation skills ! Oh well today's funny story to dwell over during the course of the day

[Reigntax]

No need for reform, they are already the best money can buy. If you have enough money!

[rasmus5150]

"If it ain't broken, then don't fix it" - ??????????............

[jerojero]

Selected officials and residents. Gotta love it...another BS committee of the self serving elite.

[MZurf]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

[Squeegee]

As always, one can invert what they say and find the truth. You can set your watch by it.

"The Defense Minister revealed that the Royal Thai Police (RTP) is establishing a reform committee"

Therefore, there will be no substantial reforms.

"...which consists of selected officials and residents."

In other words, cronies.

"General Prawit said the key objectives of reform include improving its investigative skills..."

Which means improving their ability to talk their way out of real reform, fairness and transparency.

"...and cooperation with judges and the community."

So 'established' figures may remain 'established'.

"He mentioned reforming the agencies under the RTP with a goal of future collaboration in mind..."

A.K.A. a trough party.

"...while highlighting that reform would not involve restructuring the police force."

Because they are not really reforms at all, beyond a few token low hanging fruit and political and 'economic' rivals.

"General Prawit reiterated that police reform would also aim at creating greater public confidence in the authority..."

Which means business as usual as far as deluding the Thai public is concerned.

"...while maintaining righteous commitment."

Essentially, passionately upholding their snouts to the trough whilst kicking the other pigs to one side. Pure Orwell: some animals are more equal than others.

[iReason]

"General Prawit reiterated that police reform would also aim at creating greater public confidence in the authority, while maintaining righteous commitment."

If there were any before who thought these thugs were going to "reform" anything, you surely must be convinced otherwise now...

[EnglishJohn]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

Maybe you missed it : the Junta are here for political reform and it has been underway for some time now.

Then an election will be held under the new rules which we all hope will give the most free and fair elections Thailand has seen. You know the sort : where non-red shirt politicians campaigning in the North East don't get murdered.

Then, if they are any good, the new government will set new rules to reform all the organisations under them.

Why do you people think Prayuth should fix every single problem in Thailand personally ?.

It's not easy to change a system which has been set up by a dirty bunch of greedy cronies you know.

[mark131v]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

Maybe you missed it : the Junta are here for political reform and it has been underway for some time now.

Then an election will be held under the new rules which we all hope will give the most free and fair elections Thailand has seen. You know the sort : where non-red shirt politicians campaigning in the North East don't get murdered.

Then, if they are any good, the new government will set new rules to reform all the organisations under them.

Why do you people think Prayuth should fix every single problem in Thailand personally ?.

It's not easy to change a system which has been set up by a dirty bunch of greedy cronies you know.

John I have to say you are a sad deluded individual if you believe he is the right man to help Thailand, basically the present holders of the trough has made zero meaningful reforms, what they had done is further divide the country and all so the status quo will remain the same, as for a dirty bunch of greedy cronies, well the less said the better really........

[WhizBang]

DPM Prawit: there will be no restructuring in police reform

So, in other words, NOTHING will change. Any and all police 'reforms' will be nothing but window dressing.

There must be some heavy hitters involved to be able to control what gets reformed and what does not. Of course, the elephant in the room is that too many people have dirt on too many other people. No one wants to be the first to blink.

[DrTuner]

The first thing the Junta should have done was to fire every single police in the country, Georgia style. But meh, lost chance, nothing else after that matters as there's zero enforcement of anything.

[Squeegee]

I no longer believe John even believes it. It's about something else with him, I'm sure.

[MZurf]

I no longer believe John even believes it. It's about something else with him, I'm sure.

I'd have you know that EJ's wife runs a noodle stall in Bangkok, and a few years ago one of the yellow leaders almost ate there. They have been staunch supporters ever since!

[phoenixdoglover]

I was waiting for this shoe to drop.

The is a "Chicago style" analogy that may be appropriate.

The West Side and the East Side have come to an amicable agreement.

[brucec64]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

Maybe you missed it : the Junta are here for political reform and it has been underway for some time now.

Then an election will be held under the new rules which we all hope will give the most free and fair elections Thailand has seen. You know the sort : where non-red shirt politicians campaigning in the North East don't get murdered.

Then, if they are any good, the new government will set new rules to reform all the organisations under them.

Why do you people think Prayuth should fix every single problem in Thailand personally ?.

It's not easy to change a system which has been set up by a dirty bunch of greedy cronies you know.

denial [dĕ-ni´al]

in psychiatry, a defense mechanism in which the existence of unpleasant internal or external realities is denied and kept out of conscious awareness. By keeping the stressors out of consciousness, they are prevented from causing anxiety

[Srikcir]

I thought one area for reform was the separation of Immigration from the RTP to improve its specialization and efficiency. Obviously, Immigration operates under a unique set of laws that deal only with foreigners and frequently involve matters of the Foreign Ministry. In fact moving immigration to the Foreign Ministry might make better sense than continuing it in the RTP.

[poohy]

Well you cant improve on Excellence! can you?

[BigBadGeordie]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

Maybe you missed it : the Junta are here for political reform and it has been underway for some time now.

Then an election will be held under the new rules which we all hope will give the most free and fair elections Thailand has seen. You know the sort : where non-red shirt politicians campaigning in the North East don't get murdered.

Then, if they are any good, the new government will set new rules to reform all the organisations under them.

Why do you people think Prayuth should fix every single problem in Thailand personally ?.

It's not easy to change a system which has been set up by a dirty bunch of greedy cronies you know.

There are an estimated 700,000 people in Britain with dementia, most with Alzheimer’s disease, of whom more than half suffer symptoms of agitation, aggression, wandering , shouting and other difficult behaviours.

Nice to meet you John.

[poohy]

Maybe you missed it : the Junta are here for political reform and it has been underway for some time now.

Then an election will be held under the new rules which we all hope will give the most free and fair elections Thailand has seen. You know the sort : where non-red shirt politicians campaigning in the North East don't get murdered.

Then, if they are any good, the new government will set new rules to reform all the organisations under them.

Why do you people think Prayuth should fix every single problem in Thailand personally ?.

It's not easy to change a system which has been set up by a dirty bunch of greedy cronies you know.

What utter B*****ck s !

However if you are serious....... Whatever you're on ..........Can i have some

[heybruce]

Perhaps it's as simple as what the RTP knows about corrupt Army practice going back 30+ years?

Exactly right. When the human trafficking scandal first came to light the military tried to pin the whole thing on the RTP and civilian leaders. The RTP came up with evidence on Lt Gen Manas (easy to do, an operation of that scale had to have high level involvement of both the military and police), showing the junta that the RTP wasn't going down alone. The junta has handled the RTP with kid gloves ever since.

Easy to understand why. Prayut was a rising star in the Eastern Tigers when it was "guarding" the Cambodian border, and getting rich off illegal dealings with the Khmer Rouge. That was also an operation that had to have high level military and police involvement. No doubt the RTP know of many skeletons in many important closets.

Edited January 20, 2016 by heybruce

[tomacht8]

DPM Prawit is absolute right, thailand do not need a police reform.

The penalties are clear.
It's all good and easy.
- If you drive without helmet you pay them 200 Baht.
- if you are driving without a driving license you pay them 500 Baht.
- If you drive too fast you pay them700 Baht
- If you drive drunken you pay them 1000 Baht up
- If they catch you with drugs you pay them 50.000 Baht.
- If you drive drunken and kill somebody it will cost you between 100.000 – 2.000.000 Baht.
- If you like to open a small business with counterfeit products on public roads, you can pay monthly.
- If you like to open a bar after 2am closing time, that will cost you also.
- If you push your food card into Khao San Road you can pay by hour.
- If you like to operate a gambling hall, that is big business.
- if you want to employ illegal workers, there are also rates.
- If you have any problems, you must ask how much.

I would say that runs dazzling.

The idea that the state collects the fines, and from this income to pay there officers better and
subsequently have a better control over the police force, that is a foreign idea.

[elgordo38]

As always, one can invert what they say and find the truth. You can set your watch by it.

"The Defense Minister revealed that the Royal Thai Police (RTP) is establishing a reform committee"

Therefore, there will be no substantial reforms.

"...which consists of selected officials and residents."

In other words, cronies.

"General Prawit said the key objectives of reform include improving its investigative skills..."

Which means improving their ability to talk their way out of real reform, fairness and transparency.

"...and cooperation with judges and the community."

So 'established' figures may remain 'established'.

"He mentioned reforming the agencies under the RTP with a goal of future collaboration in mind..."

A.K.A. a trough party.

"...while highlighting that reform would not involve restructuring the police force."

Because they are not really reforms at all, beyond a few token low hanging fruit and political and 'economic' rivals.

"General Prawit reiterated that police reform would also aim at creating greater public confidence in the authority..."

Which means business as usual as far as deluding the Thai public is concerned.

"..

.while maintaining righteous commitment."

Essentially, passionately upholding their snouts to the trough whilst kicking the other pigs to one side. Pure Orwell: some animals are more equal than others.

Quote .while maintaining righteous commitment." unquote. Enough said. When they start bandying words about like righteous we know we are in trouble.

[Squeegee]

Of course, the elephant in the room is that too many people have dirt on too many other people.

I definitely think this is the crux of the matter that is holding Thailand back. Perhaps they should have let Yingluck's lot pass the amnesty bill so everyone had a clean slate. After all, that's actually more or less what would have happened, unlike the junta's version of amnesty for themselves only.

Perhaps it's as simple as what the RTP knows about corrupt Army practice going back 30+ years?

Exactly right. When the human trafficking scandal first came to light the military tried to pin the whole thing on the RTP and civilian leaders. The RTP came up with evidence on Lt Gen Manas (easy to do, an operation of that scale had to have high level involvement of both the military and police), showing the junta that the RTP wasn't going down alone. The junta has handled the RTP with kid gloves ever since.

Easy to understand why. Prayut was a rising star in the Eastern Tigers when it was "guarding" the Cambodian border, and getting rich off illegal dealings with the Khmer Rouge. That was also an operation that had to have high level military and police involvement. No doubt the RTP know of many skeletons in many important closets.

It's impossible for the country to move forwards if there's nobody left with clean hands. These quotes above nail the situation. Thailand lacks a Gandhi or Mandela or a.. King.

Now they are all doomed to be stuck with themselves and each other going in ever decreasing circles in the blinding and unfortunate light of the internet age. Gosh how they must hate the internet. But nevermind, this is actually merely a temporary problem because a rather more significant storm is on the horizon that's almost certainly going to whip up the dust like nobody's business.

[BlindMagician]

Of course, the elephant in the room is that too many people have dirt on too many other people.

I definitely think this is the crux of the matter that is holding Thailand back. Perhaps they should have let Yingluck's lot pass the amnesty bill so everyone had a clean slate. After all, that's actually more or less what would have happened, unlike the junta's version of amnesty for themselves only.

Perhaps it's as simple as what the RTP knows about corrupt Army practice going back 30+ years?

Exactly right. When the human trafficking scandal first came to light the military tried to pin the whole thing on the RTP and civilian leaders. The RTP came up with evidence on Lt Gen Manas (easy to do, an operation of that scale had to have high level involvement of both the military and police), showing the junta that the RTP wasn't going down alone. The junta has handled the RTP with kid gloves ever since.

Easy to understand why. Prayut was a rising star in the Eastern Tigers when it was "guarding" the Cambodian border, and getting rich off illegal dealings with the Khmer Rouge. That was also an operation that had to have high level military and police involvement. No doubt the RTP know of many skeletons in many important closets.

It's impossible for the country to move forwards if there's nobody left with clean hands. These quotes above nail the situation. Thailand lacks a Gandhi or Mandela or a.. King.

Now they are all doomed to be stuck with themselves and each other going in ever decreasing circles in the blinding and unfortunate light of the internet age. Gosh how they must hate the internet. But nevermind, this is actually merely a temporary problem because a rather more significant storm is on the horizon that's almost certainly going to whip up the dust like nobody's business.

Stock up on black shirts.

[DaveinAsia]

Well, junta supporters! How about you explain to us how there was no reform under the elected administrations but there is reform now? As I have asked a few times without getting any answer:

What meaningful and positive reforms have taken place under the present junta?

Guess I'll have to wait a while for an answer.

I think the water trucks that spray the plants have all had a new paint job!