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Current status of Jungceylon

phuketandsee

By phuketandsee
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Shot Platinum Member

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We use to go there every Sat or Sun and eat at Fuji and maybe see a movie or shop. Family of 4, average day about 5000 Baht. Haven't been there since the "problem"

Dazinoz Gold Member

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Was there last week. The center area between the 2 building closed off but no other info than that sorry.

Pinot Gold Member

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The center area under the big awning is closed down. You must walk around it. Otherwise, most places are open although I don't know about McDonald's.

I see no way to get this fixed anytime soon. It's interesting the way they found out about this...someone anonymously tipped off the authorities. Management had to know about this and were doing nothing.

Quality Thai construction. Nothing is built according to spec's in Thailand. Thinking about buying a condo...?

bearpolar Advanced Member

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The center area under the big awning is closed down. You must walk around it. Otherwise, most places are open although I don't know about McDonald's.

I see no way to get this fixed anytime soon. It's interesting the way they found out about this...someone anonymously tipped off the authorities. Management had to know about this and were doing nothing.

Quality Thai construction. Nothing is built according to spec's in Thailand. Thinking about buying a condo...?

Most condos in bangkok at least are built by large companies that have a good international presence. They bank on building a long-standing legacy for the future generations of little hisos

i wouldnt worry about those large companies.

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SOTIRIOS Platinum Member

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...not reassuring....

...the one difference with many other places is...this is obvious...others less so.....

...also gotta wonder about parking lots filled to 2x capacity as a regular practice....

DrDave Silver Member

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The center outdoor area between the two buildings remains closed.

The basement area with all the shops and food court is also closed, and the entrance from the parking garage has been paneled over so that it looks like it was never there. I noticed furniture from at least one basement massage shop piled up in the parking garage near the motorbike entrance.

It doesn't look like those areas are going to reopen anytime soon.

LivinginKata Star Member

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The center outdoor area between the two buildings remains closed.

The basement area with all the shops and food court is also closed, and the entrance from the parking garage has been paneled over so that it looks like it was never there. I noticed furniture from at least one basement massage shop piled up in the parking garage near the motorbike entrance.

It doesn't look like those areas are going to reopen anytime soon.

So it looks like this big problem is being taken seriously. I guess they hope it was just a bad few batches of concrete on a few pillars. If systematic then it will be demolish Junceylon time ...

GR8fun in LOS Rookie Member

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As stated above the open central area, between the 2 circular buildings has been closed-off since the "small problem" became obvious.

Visitors have to walk along the internal roadway outside the building to travel between the 2 major buildings. The restaurants and shops facing onto the central area are closed but others remain open. The bridge area into Robinsons is open and you can go past the brewery site to access the back road but not the shops nearby.

The Thai shopping area downstairs is almost all open, only those shops close to the entrance from the car-park are closed and access is boarded up.

The car-park is still operating almost normally with access available from most access points including the external one near Robinsons.

However it does pose a number of questions as to how the poor quality workmanship could have been allowed. It almost looks as if inferior quality concrete was used and almost certainly not vibrated when the piers were poured.

Are there any others in the same condition? It seems strange that the problem is only in an isolated area and not in a major load bearing area.

TIT

Shot Platinum Member

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I'm not a structural engineer (although I did play one on TV) but I will guess all the water in the fountain and surrounding areas probably didn't help.

phuketandsee Silver Member

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"Are there any others in the same condition? It seems strange that the problem is only in an isolated area and not in a major load bearing area".

I would assume the problem is almost certainly not isolated and will extend to major load-bearing elements. I highly doubt they have engaged an experienced, well qualified team of engineers to inspect the entire building since this would have meant hiring foreigners and we know how the Thais love to do that. Also so much of the structure is hidden.

Has anyone seen signs of major construction work going on e.g. concrete trucks in the vicinity? At the very least those columns in the early photographs would need to be replaced as patching is unlikely to be an option. Of course I mean a proper option, I'm sure it's an option for the idiots running this place.

Does anyone have contacts with local engineers, architects or contractors to see what the grapevine can tell us?

I am disappointing the Gazette and News aren't pushing on this and it is unfortunate Phuketwan is no longer with us. I think this is a catastrophe in the making and will be severely limiting my visits, if indeed I make any at all. I seriously recommend others do the same.

MediaWatcher Silver Member

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The silence on this, and the "shadow" in the tunnel, is deafening, I have raised both on various forums, with no reply, seems the media aren't interested, or have been warned off.

geisha Platinum Member

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I cant remember who built junk Ceylon. I know there were hold ups because of the tsunami. Any idea which construction firm built it ?

billythehat Silver Member

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"Are there any others in the same condition? It seems strange that the problem is only in an isolated area and not in a major load bearing area".

I would assume the problem is almost certainly not isolated and will extend to major load-bearing elements. I highly doubt they have engaged an experienced, well qualified team of engineers to inspect the entire building since this would have meant hiring foreigners and we know how the Thais love to do that. Also so much of the structure is hidden.

Has anyone seen signs of major construction work going on e.g. concrete trucks in the vicinity? At the very least those columns in the early photographs would need to be replaced as patching is unlikely to be an option. Of course I mean a proper option, I'm sure it's an option for the idiots running this place.

Does anyone have contacts with local engineers, architects or contractors to see what the grapevine can tell us?

I am disappointing the Gazette and News aren't pushing on this and it is unfortunate Phuketwan is no longer with us. I think this is a catastrophe in the making and will be severely limiting my visits, if indeed I make any at all. I seriously recommend others do the same.

Reinforced concrete can fail due to inadequate or insufficient strength, leading to mechanical failure, or due to a decrease in its durability. A few reasons which cause failure may also be due to cracking, moisture and corrosion. The cracking of the concrete is inevitable, cracking allows moisture to penetrate and corrode the reinforcement, however this problem can be controlled to a certain point using appropriate reinforcement, control joints, curing methodology and concrete mix design. The concrete then cracks either under excess loading, or due to internal effects such as early thermal shrinkage when it cures.

Ultimate failure leading to collapse can be caused by crushing of the concrete, when compressive stresses exceed its strength; by yielding or failure of the rebar, when bending or shear stresses exceed the strength of the reinforcement; or by bond failure between the concrete and the rebar.

A concrete failure due to shortage in shear resistance is the most serious type of failure because shear failures are preceded by little, if any, deflections or cracking to give advance warning. This may happen when not providing the correct concrete strength or dimension and not providing the right amount of reinforcement or positioning it properly. In the case of the columns within Jung Ceylon, this may have been a contributing cause to the sudden failure of the structural columns although the column in the photo appeared to have collapsed vertically after suffering both simultaneous shear and axial failures.

Some posters suggested some form of repair but reinstatements of this type of failure are very complicated and costly to the point of not being economic to do. If the failure is found to be localized and attendant structural members about the structural grid are deemed serviceable, partial demolition and rebuild could be one solution.

As to who will pay, answers on a postcard please.

billythehat Silver Member

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What does this look like to you Billy?

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Difficult to comment as most of the main steel cannot be seen and the spacing of the links cannot be verified for compliance although i did notice that the links did not look like high tension steel (no ribs) and possibly less tha 10mm in diameter which would be a very serious cause for concern. Mild steel links should not be specified for main structural elements. The links form the cage to which the main steel is arranged and are an important part in the control of shear stress in both coulmns and beams. Concrete testing will also form an important component of any report concerning this type of structural callapse.

phuketandsee Silver Member

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What does this look like to you Billy?

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Difficult to comment as most of the main steel cannot be seen and the spacing of the links cannot be verified for compliance although i did notice that the links did not look like high tension steel (no ribs) and possibly less tha 10mm in diameter which would be a very serious cause for concern. Mild steel links should not be specified for main structural elements. The links form the cage to which the main steel is arranged and are an important part in the control of shear stress in both coulmns and beams. Concrete testing will also form an important component of any report concerning this type of structural callapse.

But doesn't it look like shear? I'm no expert but it looks like overloading with lateral shear.

MediaWatcher Silver Member

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OMG, 46 years for the bridge, 135 years for the sewer, and a failure, by a mutlinational (Esso), in 1998, to maintain their plant, geez mate, glad you could find something current, hate to think you'd have to go far back, in history.

NamKangMan Diamond Member

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What does this look like to you Billy?

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Difficult to comment as most of the main steel cannot be seen and the spacing of the links cannot be verified for compliance although i did notice that the links did not look like high tension steel (no ribs) and possibly less tha 10mm in diameter which would be a very serious cause for concern. Mild steel links should not be specified for main structural elements. The links form the cage to which the main steel is arranged and are an important part in the control of shear stress in both coulmns and beams. Concrete testing will also form an important component of any report concerning this type of structural callapse.

But doesn't it look like shear? I'm no expert but it looks like overloading with lateral shear.

Compression has caused that pole to burst.

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