May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Flustered]

6 minutes ago, Naam said:

why not going back to Guillaume le Conquérant (also known as William the Conqueror)?

Because that is pre 1215

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

My conclusion some months ago was:

 

 

It hasn't changed!

 

3 hours ago, Flustered said:

If you look at his posting history, you will find that he sometimes comes up with very good points but then destroys his own arguments with irrelevant content.

 

In fairness,  English is obviously not his natural language and I would imagine he is very young and has not had much experience of life so allowances have to be made.

 

I sometimes understand what he is trying to say but his English is so bad that I am not sure.

 

 

I have noticed on a number of occasions that there appears to be a certain nasty strain in the Brexiteer camp which appears to pop up now and again. Whether this is, as Grouse has suggested previously, due to a lack of education resulting in an inability to follow an argument and thereby retreating to personal insult, I am not fully certain. However, lack of comprehension is a problem rather than a badge of honour or even a T-shirt to be worn with pride.

Edited March 19, 2017 by SheungWan

[Flustered]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

 

I have noticed on a number of occasions that there appears to be a certain nasty strain in the Brexiteer camp which appears to pop up now and again. Whether this is due, as Grouse has suggested previously, due to a lack of education resulting in an inability to follow an argument and thereby retreating to personal insult, I am not fully certain. However, lack of comprehension is a problem rather than a badge of honour or even a T-shirt to be worn with pride.

Nothing nasty about what I post, more a case of trying to follow mixed metaphors and grammatically incorrect English from someone who is capable of making sense when they want to.

Regarding this thread, you often make some very good points and then either contradict them or become confusing and intelligible. If you kept to the subject and made clear what it was you were trying to say, more people would see your point of view.

As a compliment, you should be a politician. Your answers are never to the point and always avoid the question. I think Hong Kong has had too much of a confusing influence on you.

[evadgib]

Ever wondered why they don't stick around a little more often for more of what you openly admit is 'argument'?

Edited March 19, 2017 by evadgib

[Khun Han]

23 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

 

I have noticed on a number of occasions that there appears to be a certain nasty strain in the Brexiteer camp which appears to pop up now and again. Whether this is, as Grouse has suggested previously, due to a lack of education resulting in an inability to follow an argument and thereby retreating to personal insult, I am not fully certain. However, lack of comprehension is a problem rather than a badge of honour or even a T-shirt to be worn with pride.

 

Using Grouse as a reference for your concerns is an own goal, and then some. He is on most ThaiVisa  brexiters' ignore lists. And he's not there because of his self-perceived intelligence/superior debate.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, lungbing said:

Quote Grouse  "We and the Americans utterly destroyed German cities, latterly out of spite."

 

I think the people of Coventry and parts of London might have a reply on that point.

Not to mention the people of Rotterdam and Warsaw.

[evadgib]

@Khun Han: Grouse nonetheless understands the RoE and strikes me as a good egg despite being at polar opposites in his views.

Edited March 19, 2017 by evadgib

[Laughing Gravy]

I wonder if those posters who claimed that nobody is out to ensure the UK will be punished or treated harshly will apologize or continue to live in La La land.

 

Coming from the idiot himself.

 

“The UK will need to prepare itself to be treated as a third country,” he said.

Mr Juncker told the newspaper that none of the other 27 remaining countries would ever consider leaving the EU when they see how harshly Britain will be treated in negotiations.

 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/like-or-lump-the-eu-divorce-bill-juncker-tells-may-dc6vhlww8

 

I also keep hearing this word divorce bill. We were not in a marriage it was a friendship.  I hope TM tells him to go and do one.

[rockingrobin]

6 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I wonder if those posters who claimed that nobody is out to ensure the UK will be punished or treated harshly will apologize or continue to live in La La land.

 

Coming from the idiot himself.

 

“The UK will need to prepare itself to be treated as a third country,” he said.

Mr Juncker told the newspaper that none of the other 27 remaining countries would ever consider leaving the EU when they see how harshly Britain will be treated in negotiations.

 

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/like-or-lump-the-eu-divorce-bill-juncker-tells-may-dc6vhlww8

 

I also keep hearing this word divorce bill. We were not in a marriage it was a friendship.  I hope TM tells him to go and do one.

Is this not acceptance of the UK gov. position Brexit means Brexit

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Is this not acceptance of the UK gov. position Brexit means Brexit

And brexit means brexit at any cost.

 

Brexit ministers are demanding that Phillip Hammond provide them with “hundreds more” members of staff after departments have been forced to make cuts. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-phillip-hammond-hundreds-more-staff-government-cuts-a7638711.html

[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

And brexit means brexit at any cost.

 

Brexit ministers are demanding that Phillip Hammond provide them with “hundreds more” members of staff after departments have been forced to make cuts. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-phillip-hammond-hundreds-more-staff-government-cuts-a7638711.html

And so the 'jobs for the boys'/expanding empires ratchets up with brexit as the excuse .

[Johnyo]

I have spoken to a few supporters of Brexit lately and I have read a few comments on these forums whereby they really are hoping that the European Union implodes. What has it got to do with them? You got what you wanted, so why this need for wishing bad things on the rest? A lot of people have savings, pensions and investments in EUR, so why wish them harm?  So far their wet dream hit the first wall with Holland rejecting a Xenophobe and France will do the same.

[nontabury]

7 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

I have spoken to a few supporters of Brexit lately and I have read a few comments on these forums whereby they really are hoping that the European Union implodes. What has it got to do with them? You got what you wanted, so why this need for wishing bad things on the rest? A lot of people have savings, pensions and investments in EUR, so why wish them harm?  So far their wet dream hit the first wall with Holland rejecting a Xenophobe and France will do the same.

 

Maybe it's something to do with the Beurocrats in Brussels threatening the U.K.

 

As regards Holland, you do realise that the anti-Muslim PPV increased their seats from 15 to seats to 20. While the P.M's VVD party ONLY lost 8 seats,thanks to their strong language with Turkey. Meanwhile the Dutch equivalent of the Labour Party,who are very pro EU, lost 29 of their 38 seats.

 

 

 

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, Johnyo said:

I have spoken to a few supporters of Brexit lately and I have read a few comments on these forums whereby they really are hoping that the European Union implodes. What has it got to do with them? You got what you wanted, so why this need for wishing bad things on the rest? A lot of people have savings, pensions and investments in EUR, so why wish them harm?  So far their wet dream hit the first wall with Holland rejecting a Xenophobe and France will do the same.

This forseen train wreck is inevitable and doesn't need any help.

[Naam]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

This forseen train wreck is inevitable and doesn't need any help.

i find it very strange that this is inevitable because i have not seen of any big shorts of the €UR nor any shorting of south European government bonds. there's a fortune to be made if the EU implodes but obviously the gloom&doomers don't put their money where there mouths are.

 

yawwwnnn...

[Johnyo]

 

Maybe it's something to do with the Beurocrats in Brussels threatening the U.K.

 

As regards Holland, you do realise that the anti-Muslim PPV increased their seats from 15 to seats to 20. While the P.M's VVD party ONLY lost 8 seats,thanks to their strong language with Turkey. Meanwhile the Dutch equivalent of the Labour Party,who are very pro EU, lost 29 of their 38 seats.

 

 

 

 

And what has the bureaucrats got to do with ordinary Europeans and even British expats with investments in EUR? If the EU implodes they will be the ones that feel the pain.

 

Both parties are threatening each other, or have you forgotten May and her Tax haven U.K. It's part of the negotiations.

 

 

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[vogie]

On 19/03/2017 at 11:12 PM, Khun Han said:

 

Using Grouse as a reference for your concerns is an own goal, and then some. He is on most ThaiVisa  brexiters' ignore lists. And he's not there because of his self-perceived intelligence/superior debate.

But in all fairness, without SheungWan the game bird wouldn't get any likes. 

[evadgib]

46 minutes ago, Naam said:

there's a fortune to be made if the EU implodes but obviously the gloom&doomers don't put their money where there mouths are.

The best way to avoid a bear trap is to get off the prairy.

 

The second best is to insert a pause between brain & keyboard allowing time to properly articulate.

 

Edited March 21, 2017 by evadgib

[Grouse]

39 minutes ago, vogie said:

But in all fairness, without SheungWan the game bird wouldn't get any likes. 

I don't give a stuff about likes

 

However, if you check my profile, I seem to receive a few

 

But let's be honest here, people ignore me because they don't have the intellectual horse power to keep up

 

BTW, feel free to use PM to discuss me behind my back ?; maybe as team you can assemble a cogent response?

 

Pip! Pip!

Edited March 21, 2017 by Grouse
Humour

[evadgib]

Others enjoy winding you up 

[Laughing Gravy]

18 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I don't give a stuff about likes

 

However, if you check my profile, I seem to receive a few

 

But let's be honest here, people ignore me because they don't have the intellectual horse power to keep up

Statistically not that many if you look at it as a scientist. If only we all had your intellect and IQ. Regardless I have thick skin too and don't take it too personally. We clearly see things differently. It has nothing to do with horse power.

Edited March 21, 2017 by Laughing Gravy

[Naam]

22 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The best way to avoid a bear trap is to get off the prairy.

 

The second best is to insert a pause between brain & keyboard allowing time to properly articulate.

 

a lame way is to divert from the subject with a personal attack when cornered and lacking an answer

[Khun Han]

30 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Others enjoy winding you up 

 

Or: "You reap what you sow"

[pitrevie]

2 hours ago, Johnyo said:

I have spoken to a few supporters of Brexit lately and I have read a few comments on these forums whereby they really are hoping that the European Union implodes. What has it got to do with them? You got what you wanted, so why this need for wishing bad things on the rest? A lot of people have savings, pensions and investments in EUR, so why wish them harm?  So far their wet dream hit the first wall with Holland rejecting a Xenophobe and France will do the same.

Yes that is a sentiment shared by many and really made clear by Kenneth Clarke in  a commendable speech in the Commons recently. Many of us think this is a bad mistake but nevertheless accept the decision and wish our country well. Of course we cannot now expect to enjoy the same deal as we had when we were members of the EU but it is not in the interest of the EU for the UK to implode anymore than it is in the interests of the UK for the EU to collapse or the Euro to collapse. 

[Orac]

Yes that is a sentiment shared by many and really made clear by Kenneth Clarke in  a commendable speech in the Commons recently. Many of us think this is a bad mistake but nevertheless accept the decision and wish our country well. Of course we cannot now expect to enjoy the same deal as we had when we were members of the EU but it is not in the interest of the EU for the UK to implode anymore than it is in the interests of the UK for the EU to collapse or the Euro to collapse. 

Also not to forget there are some small groups who supported Brexit who would quite happily see the destruction of both the UK and the EU though, I would hasten to add, none I have seen posted on TV

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/20/jim-dowson-back-scottish-independence-patriotic-news-agency-far-right?CMP=twt_gu

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, pitrevie said:

Yes that is a sentiment shared by many and really made clear by Kenneth Clarke in  a commendable speech in the Commons recently. Many of us think this is a bad mistake but nevertheless accept the decision and wish our country well. Of course we cannot now expect to enjoy the same deal as we had when we were members of the EU but it is not in the interest of the EU for the UK to implode anymore than it is in the interests of the UK for the EU to collapse or the Euro to collapse. 

Exactly, but a collapsing EU/Euro is the brexiteers last line of defense.

People will get to know what the word austerity really means when the brexit bill becomes due for payment. Time to face reality, one crisis after another.

 

"Care firms have cancelled contracts with 95 UK councils, saying they cannot deliver services for the amount they are being paid, a BBC Panorama investigation has found."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39321579

 

[Grouse]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Statistically not that many if you look at it as a scientist. If only we all had your intellect and IQ. Regardless I have thick skin too and don't take it too personally. We clearly see things differently. It has nothing to do with horse power.

Statistically, there are likely to be more numpties than intellectuals on here. Did you expect anything different? That is obviously the case in the U.K. and  I don't see Thailand as being a particular magnet for top tier people do you? If people want to lik each other, go right ahead ?

 

I really do not mind being ignored. I come here to learn things and be entertained. I don't miss those who ignore me because their contributions were rather thin anyway. I have noticed a few valued frequent contributors have disappeared from the forum completely. Anybody know if they're OK?

[evadgib]

Roll on 12th August 

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2017 by evadgib

[Flustered]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Exactly, but a collapsing EU/Euro is the brexiteers last line of defense.

People will get to know what the word austerity really means when the brexit bill becomes due for payment. Time to face reality, one crisis after another.

 

"Care firms have cancelled contracts with 95 UK councils, saying they cannot deliver services for the amount they are being paid, a BBC Panorama investigation has found."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39321579

 

A collapsing EU/Euro is the result of a EU being driven into the ground by non elected officials who do not give a damn where the money comes from as long as they can keep their snouts in the trough.

For example... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/781470/European-Union-Eurocrats-axe-debate-EU-parliament-budget

 

Austerity? Why do Bremoaners always harp on about austerity. Any austerity will be because the EU are determined to punish the UK simply for exercising their democratic right and to serve as a warning to any other country wanting to exercise their democratic right....The EU, democracy at work...Yeah Right.

 

Now the crunch. firms cancelling contracts with councils and councils saying they do not have enough money.

One of the biggest reasons is the cost of labour. Now we have a living wage, the wage bill has risen considerably and the amount councils pay these care providers is not enough to cover costs. So why don't councils pay more? Simple, There have been several reports showing that by 2025, many councils will be spending over 50% of their council tax receipts on their pensions. Rather than cut back on these or completely overhaul the schemes, they prefer to cut costs elsewhere such as social care.

 

Pensions paid from tax receipts do not work. With an ever growing number entitled to pensions, more and more tax is required to pay them. The State pension is the classic example, only a matter of time before it implodes.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Roll on 12th August 

 

 

 

Good god! Is that how you would present a pheasant? What's in the tumbler? Coke? Where are the game chips? And the cutlery! Where are you? America? ?

 

Actually, the best way is to rip the breasts off, seal in butter and olive oil and then simmer in a decent red with shallots. Drink with the best claret you can afford....

 

( and then buy a chicken vindaloo!)