Thailand1971 Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 (edited) I have had a niche business in Thailand for the past 5 years, everything done legal, even have 4 (real) Thai staff on the payroll so I can have my work permit. In the last few years competition from people on tourists visas and education visas with no work permits have started doing the same type of work as us which has meant I have had to drop my rates to keep my old clients and now it is getting to the stage that I think I have to close my business and maybe have to return to my home country to work, leaving my gf and life behind. I have never been a snitch or grass but these guys are ruining me, I have evidence in the from of their Facebook posts, youtube videos clearly showing they are working but without Non-B visas and work permits. Unfortunately the area that I work in doesn't have the best immigration department, I have heard stories of people in a similar situation to myself report people only to find immigration pay them a visit, get a donantion and drop the name of the person that reported them!! Any suggestions or email addresses that I can send evidence to that will be acted on? Edited November 10, 2016 by Thailand1971 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Call 1111 government line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 Don't believe stories you have heard.Have your staff report them to immigration and police. If you're in the tourist industry also the tourist police can pay them a visit.Sent from my ROBBY using Thaivisa Connect mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted November 10, 2016 Share Posted November 10, 2016 like said before let your girlfriend report them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 A common problem here. Just drive down the highway and see how there are rows of shops all doing the same thing. Pretty much ensures nobody makes a decent living from these businesses. Of course I don't know much about yours, but if anybody seems to be doing any good, it gets copied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) The usual Thai way of handling this is the concerned Thai patriot/citizen letter to the local police/appropriate authorities. Not suggesting GF does this but just telling the forum how the locals handle this (if a foreigner is competition) Edited November 11, 2016 by mokwit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remobb Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 And did you start legally from the beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgroper2 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, remobb said: And did you start legally from the beginning? There are many words that can be used to describe a person like you, but, if i used them, i would be banned. Get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgroper2 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 The issues some people cant work out for themselves never ceases to amaze me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 before turning in the competitors make sure you are squeeky clean , because once you open that door who knows what can happen , and are no Thais also doing this business ? They may want to get you out ????? You have seen all the same stores near each other all over Thailand , how long did you think it would be until you were copied.... And "if" you get rid of the competitors do you really think your customers are going to be happy paying the old higher prices ? Lots of things to think about before you do anything ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Why not start with an anonymous letter to police/immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jspill Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I assume you're not going to tell us what type of business it is, whether or not Thais do it too, and how you're 100% sure these competing foreigners aren't legal. But without that info it's a bit hard to give any more advice other than the obvious one you know already, contact immigration and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 If they are ruining your business and your doing it legally and they are not report them. I would not report people like that if it did not affect me but if direct competitors are ruining your business because they don't have the same cost (your legal) I would do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 What work is ?.seems the bit you left out ,what's you Thai tax bill here?.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I would get the staff to complain on the grounds that these illegal foreigners are putting their real jobs at risk, which they are. That sort of complaint carries far more weight with Thais than what happens to a farang does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) Once (If) you get rid of this batch, they'll be followed by another. Then another. Go ahead and report them. Maybe it'll work. Maybe only for a while. But then you may want to rethink your business plan. Otherwise you'll have to hire a local to do nothing but deal with the illegal competition. Edit: It's interesting to hear about illegal foreign competitors from a Non-Thai perspective. Maybe some TVF folks will have some empathy when the Thais rat out people who are skirting the rules to compete with them. What am I thinking? That would require looking at it from another point of view. Edited November 11, 2016 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandgroper2 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said: What work is ?.seems the bit you left out ,what's you Thai tax bill here?. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect His tax bill is none of your business and has no bearing whatsoever in this matter. Whats your tax bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remobb Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 40 minutes ago, sandgroper2 said: There are many words that can be used to describe a person like you, but, if i used them, i would be banned. Get a life. 1. You have no idea what type of person I am! 2. I asked you a simple question! 3. By your response I wonder what type of person you are! 4. I have a life and happy with it. 5. If you don't want any response, why ask for opinions of others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, maoro2013 said: A common problem here. Just drive down the highway and see how there are rows of shops all doing the same thing. Pretty much ensures nobody makes a decent living from these businesses. Of course I don't know much about yours, but if anybody seems to be doing any good, it gets copied. Not true! Why nobody copies Sizzlers, Pizzacompany or MK-Suki? They always have long qeueu's waiting but they still open stupid restaurants nobody is interested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, fruitman said: Not true! Why nobody copies Sizzlers, Pizzacompany or MK-Suki? They always have long qeueu's waiting but they still open stupid restaurants nobody is interested in. Perhaps because you can count on your fingers and toes the number of Thai families that have the $$$ tens of millions to duplicate their systems, their distribution networks and their advertising campaigns? And those families employ people smart enough to know not to spend their money over-saturating a market. They let other people invest in over-saturating the markets. Like 7/11 franchises... Edited November 11, 2016 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 minute ago, impulse said: Perhaps because you can count on your fingers and toes the number of Thai families that have the $$$ tens of millions to duplicate their systems, their distribution networks and their advertising campaigns? You don't need millions to start a good buffetrestaurant with a salad bar. Or a pizzacompany with an oven and good pizza's. Or a bunch of hotpots to cook your own soup. There are plenty of similar restaurants in BKK but they are no good. Last week i was in Suki....(i forgot), an MK style restaurant with hotpots, conveyer belts and a small buffet but it was no good at all. 6-800 all inclusive. That conveyer-belt idea is not bad but they should put better food on the plates, and all inclusive of course. In Sizzlers you can eat well for 300 a person, Thai even eat 2 days from that. They only open strange japanese-style restaurants in the malls which give small portions of cheap crappy food, an egg is about the best part of the whole meal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirmud63 Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 13 minutes ago, fruitman said: Not true! Why nobody copies Sizzlers, Pizzacompany or MK-Suki? They always have long qeueu's waiting but they still open stupid restaurants nobody is interested in. why? very simple , you carnt match there buying power . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I hate snitches or Grasses, but in this instance I would report them, these illegals are much to blame for the way the Thai government treats us expats, making us jump through so many hoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 26 minutes ago, fruitman said: Not true! Why nobody copies Sizzlers, Pizzacompany or MK-Suki? They always have long qeueu's waiting but they still open stupid restaurants nobody is interested in. They always have long qeueu's waiting but they still open stupid restaurants nobody is interested in. Nobody is interested but they get long queues. Care to re-think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerEastWest Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Have a Thai person report them to the work permit office with photos etc. They will go out and arrest the people if they can catch them in the act... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12DrinkMore Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 14 hours ago, stubuzz said: Call 1111 government line. Yeah, and call the fast response team on 5555. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 23 minutes ago, sirmud63 said: why? very simple , you carnt match there buying power . Sizzlers, Swensson, Burger King, Pizza company (correct me if i'm wrong) ALL belong to the same American businessman. He also started small but understands exactly what customers want. Soon he will buy/build his own malls i guess and he deserves it, i will be his customer for sure. The problem for Thai copycats is they don't know what customers want, they want much for a reasonable price, good service and nice food of good quality. Only the guy from Sizzlers and CP understand that and will soon rule whole thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 His tax bill is none of your business and has no bearing whatsoever in this matter. Whats your tax bill?It's public domain here if you are legalSent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ace of Pop said: It's public domain here if you are legal Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Yea yea.. but even back home people don't show their tax bills to anyone and certainly not on public forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebyrd Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, remobb said: 1. You have no idea what type of person I am! 2. I asked you a simple question! 3. By your response I wonder what type of person you are! 4. I have a life and happy with it. 5. If you don't want any response, why ask for opinions of others? I would offer that your Avatar perhaps gives some members a questionable impression....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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