Bangkok police have doubts over Australian woman's rape claim

[sandemara]

There seem to be contributors on this thread who'd like to return to the days of "Let's hang the bitch for getting raped. That'll teach her a lesson for getting drunk."  The Taliban will never die.

[lostinisaan]

47 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

I'm reminded of a case in Phuket a few years ago.

Three young Aussie fools got into a tussle with the tuk tuk mafia and all received stab wounds, one was quite seriously hurt. While giving their statements at Patong police another tuk tuk driver turned up pointed out a small dent on his vehicle and accused the kids of kicking it.

The police immediately switched their investigation to address the more serious crime of vehicle damage and gave the tourists an ultimatum.  Get on a plane now or spend time in a Thai prison awaiting a court date for their offence.

They went home, the thugs got a free ticket to stab tourists.

 

 

Did a friend of a friend tell you that? Have you got a link? 

[lungnorm]

But officer I am telling you I was GRAPED. No maam you mean RAPED. No officer I was GRAPED there was a whole bunch of them.

[licka]

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

 

   The Police didnt threaten her with a counter claim though . They seem to be saying that they will wait until the investigation is complete before they decide how to proceed 

That is Thai for

Go home now, no more trouble for you

Or us 

Edited December 11, 2016 by licka

[whatproblem]

Unless it's handed to them on a plate with money on top they always have doubts 

[Wake Up]

That is the beauty of an American jury. Exclude from the jury the people on TV who on one extreme believe women lie so no confession no rape, exclude the people that believe getting drunk is a cause of the rape and exclude the people that believe an allegation of rape is definitely rape no evidence needed. 

 

After excluding those people from the jury then let the remaining 12 jury members see the evidence and give a verdict. Not perfect but still the best system we have. 

 

As for police verbally suggesting the woman filing the complaint could be prosecuted for filing a false claim - totally unprofessional and 100 percent wrong. Absolutely no need for that except to discriminate against foreigners and attempt to protect tourism. A calculated aggressive act by the people that are suppose to protect us all. Disgraceful. 

 

When you combine this police attack on the woman (and it is an attack) together with the attack on the BBC, and other anti foreigner messages,   maybe I do not belong here. 

 

After working in China for years and seeing it change with government sponsored anti foreigner messages and censorship, it appears that the Thailand government is modeling the Chinese government.   I hope I am wrong. But if Thailand military government becomes like the Chinese military government I will choose to live elsewhere. Not Thailand bashing as many Thailand people are great souls. Many Chinese are great souls. But history shows that government actions and propaganda can turn great souls into a united anti foreigner group. 

 

Peace and my sympathies to the woman based on the evidence known so far and the treatment she is getting from the men in uniform that are suppose to protect and serve us ------not tourism or tuk tuk mafia. 

 

Hope for the Thailand people and all of us who deserve better from the police and military government. 

 

I love Thailand.  

[Khon Kaen Dave]

Unless they have the guys in custody,its a blind case.Without the perps its going cold.Therefore no perps,no confessions or denials.No other witnesses to the actual offence,It takes two weeks for the DNA testing,a bit strange that one?

No pocket money to be made.

Therefore,no investigation,'cos theres nowhere to go with it.RTB have no idea what to do about this.So,it has to go away.Turn the tables,say "we are not sure about her allegations now".No further coverage.Case dissapears like mist in the morning sun.Police save face.And once again,the pure image of Thailand is saved again.

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, YeahSiam said:

 

Didn't the Thai man who sexually assaulted Hannah Gavois get a 5 year jail sentence?

Any sense that the state was trying to protect Thailand's image/tourist dollar there?

You have an extraordinary habit of seeing conspiracy where there is none, don't you?

 

Five years cut in half after a confession, wasn't it

 

This after being the cause of partially paralysising her, when she tried to escape, then attempting to murder her, after sexually assaulting her broken body.

 

in my mind, that is no sentence at all... no justice either... but rather Thai police/ judicial system ( whoever) protecting Thailand image by being able to say the Man was jailed, nothing more

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Maybe rapists should stop raping. That would be much better. 

 

P.S. This isn't being PC and neither is being against victim blaming. 

 

Your're right of course. But getting so pissed you can't control yourself or your situation isn't a good idea. Regardless of where you are or your age, sex, and general condition.

The World is full of dangerous places. Too much a drug known to incapacitate is stupid especially when in foreign surroundings.

 

Doesn't excuse the criminal be it mugging, assault or rape. But does render the victim to be shown foolish.

[glutenfreeman]

Can somebody fill me in here exactly on how this CCTV footage in any way negates the very real potential this drunk young woman was corralled from Khao San road and raped against her will by a dodgy, predatory criminal tuk tuk motherphucker.

 

I feel sorry for this girl. The footage shows she was incoherent, alone, and whisked away by some random dude. 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2016 by glutenfreeman

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, Shot said:

From todays story:

 

"And he said that police were still waiting on rape test results and that they would not know for two weeks if the 21 year old woman's claims were correct."

 

From Fridays story:

 

"The victim was confirmed as having been raped at Sirirat Hospital."
 

 

I believe that it's proved she was raped, but not by whom

 

the DNA results are in doubt ( not done) which will be used for exclusion of suspects,  with police not sure about her claims as to who did the deed vs wether or not the deed was done.

[sweatalot]

6 hours ago, LazySlipper said:

Wow... shouldn't they do their investigative work before threatening to file a counter claim against her?

 

Keep the foreigners on a muzzle...

 

Ever heard about initial suspicion? Which might be confirmed or rejected?  Does not say they think she is guilty - only her claim has not been proven yet. It is the duty of the police and the coroner to survey every case in all directions

Edited December 11, 2016 by sweatalot

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, farcanell said:

I believe that it's proved she was raped, but not by whom

 

the DNA results are in doubt ( not done) which will be used for exclusion of suspects,  with police not sure about her claims as to who did the deed vs wether or not the deed was done.

 

That seems to be contradicted by the OP.

 

Thai news sources reported Friday that rape had been confirmed but police now cast doubt on this.

[sweatalot]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That may be true.  But it may also be a time tested ploy to make sure the good name of Thailand (and Thai tourism) isn't besmirched.

 

How many young people on holiday can just call their boss and ask for another 2 weeks off while they investigate whether her sex with some locals was consensual?  Or another few months for the trial and appeals?

 

Even before the veiled threat of arrest, pursuing charges would cost her months of her salary.  Not to mention the $$$ she'd have to spend staying in country.  Add in the uncertainty of arrest should the results come in favorable to Thai tourism (whadda ya figure those odds would be?), and he has pretty much assured this will go away with no black marks against Thai tourism.

 

Edit:  This is one of those rare cases where I'd be glad to kick a few bucks into a GoFundMe campaign to help her defray the costs of following through.  If she were my kid, I'd urge her to come home instead, though.  Nothing will undo the trauma. And sadly, the risk of personal harm and the costs of staying in country far outweigh any personal benefit from staying around to see it through.

 

How can so many posters be sure that she is telling the truth?

And did anyone waste any thought about the possibility that an innocent tuk tuk driver (yes, I think they are existing, too) could go to prison and lose his and his family's livelihood because of a lying bitch? (I'm not saying she is lying - but where is the proof?) 

Some idiots here seem to believe women are always telling the truth and innocent and men are alway evil and guilty. You are traitors of your gender. Think about that. Women may be evil or not. Men, too.

Edited December 11, 2016 by sweatalot

[Old Croc]

1 hour ago, lostinisaan said:

 

Did a friend of a friend tell you that? Have you got a link? 

I actually use my own sense of recall when I make a statement like this. I don't rely on a friend of a friend to tell me what to say, whatever the system may be in deepest Isaan. And I don't tell lies on Thaivisa, unlike many others.

I could find links in the local news services about this, but have no inclination to look on your behalf. 

Edited December 11, 2016 by Old Croc

[sweatalot]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Instead of waiving visa fees (what's 30 million visitors X the visa fees?), perhaps they should take that money and fund compensation and assistance for victims.  Legal and medical.

 

Instead of appealing to tourists who want to save $30, they could increase the appeal to tourists who don't mind spending more, but do want to get home safely.

 

But do you know without a shade of doubt who is the victim in this case?

[starchild5]

Who is the guy with her...He seems to be kissing her as well..and with his looks, height, hair length, he sure is not a Thai or Tuk Tuk driver..?

 

Why no one is talking about that guy on CCTV...? he sure looks like a farang...

 

 

 

 

[sweatalot]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I like your dreamworld. Unfortunately I live in the one where people do rape.

 

I live in a world where people do rape

and where people also lie about being raped

 

[sweatalot]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

The problem with that is the burden, both financial and psychological, that it places on the victim.  She's got to worry about paying for an extended stay, losing time off at work, and the possibility that she'll be the one who ends up in jail when it's all over with.

 

All to protect us and the Thai locals from rapists who will go free if she doesn't pay the price and take the risk.

 

 

Victim?

Be careful with using this term until you know the truth

[sweatalot]

5 hours ago, DavisH said:

Surely DNA can be determined much faster than 2 weeks. Get those Koh Tao police and investigators on the job. The seem very efficient and finding criminals...

 

First price for sarcasm.

Congratulations.

 

[Travel2003]

7 hours ago, worgeordie said:

2 weeks to confirm if she had been raped or not,surely it should

not take that long,maybe hoping she will leave Thailand and it

will all be forgotten.

regards worgeordie

With 30 000+ rape cases per year in Thailand, it will not take hours.

[farcanell]

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That seems to be contradicted by the OP.

 

Thai news sources reported Friday that rape had been confirmed but police now cast doubt on this.

 

i based my comments on the entire OP,  not one sentence.

 

I believe it amounts to that the police are questioning the the identity of the rapist, and the claim that it was Tuk Tuk drivers....

 

 

[sweatalot]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Far as I know a post "rape" test would only confirm rough sex had taken place, which does not prove a "rape" happened. That would have to be proven in a court of law or by confession.

 

or by typical injuries that could not have been self inflicted.

[farcanell]

23 minutes ago, sweatalot said:

 

How can so many posters be sure that she is telling the truth?

And did anyone waste any thought about the possibility that an innocent tuk tuk driver (yes, I think they are existing, too) could go to prison and lose his and his family's livelihood because of a lying bitch? (I'm not saying she is lying - but where is the proof?) 

Some idiots here seem to believe women are always telling the truth and innocent and men are alway evil and guilty. You are traitors of your gender. Think about that. Women may be evil or not. Men, too.

 

Medical proffessionals determined rape... there is the proof

 

unproven yet, is who did it, and given her state of inebriation, it's fair to cast aspersions on who she said did it.... this will be cleared up once (if) the DNA results are completed.

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, farcanell said:

i based my comments on the entire OP,  not one sentence.

 

I believe it amounts to that the police are questioning the the identity of the rapist, and the claim that it was Tuk Tuk drivers....

 

Recapping from the OP: 

 

BANGKOK:-- Police have now revealed they are as yet uncertain of an Australian woman's claims that she was raped by two tuk-tuk drivers last week

 

And he said that police were still waiting on rape test results and that they would not know for two weeks if the 21 year old woman's claims were correct.

 

 

Thai news sources reported Friday that rape had been confirmed but police now cast doubt on this.

 

Sanit said that 20 tuk-tuk had been identified as cross the bridge at Pin Klao around the relevant time but only five had gone in the further direction where the alleged crime took place. 

 

But charges of false reporting against the Australian tourist have not been ruled out.

 

True, they're looking for 5 tuk-tuk drivers to question.  They haven't concluded yet she was raped.

 

[farcanell]

45 minutes ago, glutenfreeman said:

Can somebody fill me in here exactly on how this CCTV footage in any way negates the very real potential this drunk young woman was corralled from Khao San road and raped against her will by a dodgy, predatory criminal tuk tuk motherphucker.

 

I feel sorry for this girl. The footage shows she was incoherent, alone, and whisked away by some random dude. 

 

 

 

 

I think it's to do with a conflict in time of CCTV footage vs victims account of time, but as she was wasted, her recollection of time could be way off.... and to keep sweaty happy... her recollection of her assaulters could be off, too

[farcanell]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Recapping from the OP: 

 

BANGKOK:-- Police have now revealed they are as yet uncertain of an Australian woman's claims that she was raped by two tuk-tuk drivers last week

 

And he said that police were still waiting on rape test results and that they would not know for two weeks if the 21 year old woman's claims were correct.

 

 

Thai news sources reported Friday that rape had been confirmed but police now cast doubt on this.

 

Sanit said that 20 tuk-tuk had been identified as cross the bridge at Pin Klao around the relevant time but only five had gone in the further direction where the alleged crime took place. 

 

But charges of false reporting against the Australian tourist have not been ruled out.

 

True, they're looking for 5 tuk-tuk drivers to question.  They haven't concluded yet she was raped.

 

 

Medical proffessionals concluded she was raped.... I would take their word over constable plods musings

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Medical proffessionals concluded she was raped.... I would take their word over constable plods musings

 

So would I.  But it's the cops that are charged with solving the alleged crime.  Or not. 

 

Edit:  And they don't seem to be obligated to honor the medical evidence.

Edited December 11, 2016 by impulse

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[mcfish]

The hospital confirming rape doesn't amount to much. You only have to watch a few programs of csi to realise that the medical specialists differ depending on Wether they are for the prosecution or the defence.
Let them finish the investigation, it wouldn't be the first time of a wrongful rape case

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