rooster59 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 ‘Scrap court time limit on Rolls-Royce bribery case’ By CHANIKARN PHUMHIRAN, NATTHAPAT PHROMKAEW THE NATION Anti-graft academic says evidence is conclusive in allegations against Thai Airways international and PTT. THAI AUTHORITIES should enforce the anti-money laundering law in connection with the UN-sanctioned Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to beat the statute of limitations that protects some people who took bribes in the multi-million-baht Rolls-Royce scandal, an anti-graft academic says. Sangsit Piriyarangsun, an associate professor at Rangsit University, yesterday told a seminar on corruption and national development that Thai authorities already have conclusive documentary evidence on bribery involving UK aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways International (THAI) and PTT, but no action has been taken against the individuals who received the bribes. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30305140 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-01-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 It would be great if the scrapped the statute of limitation on this one.. actually there should be no statute of limitation on ANY corruption case. Unfortunately all politicians (PTP and Democrats) disagree of course. Otherwise it would have been law a long time ago. If the PM means business he would scrap the statute of limitation for all corruption cases, that would make a lot of people uneasy (on both sides of the political spectrum). It would be a great deterrent because now ruling parties can suppress investigations and if they stay in power long enough can starve off any investigations. (that is why a change of government is great even by coup). Now if there is no statute of limitations then the strategy of staying in power and suppressing investigations wont work anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) There's some big names amongst all this...with Thai Airways, military and political heavyweights.....and they would all be trying like hell to persuade the powers that be, to drop this one.....and that dropping it, no doubt, will be the outcome. But, we all live in hope that Thailand can move forward with these cases. Edited January 28, 2017 by ChrisY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Fairly obvious why no action has been taken on this one, there's another step down the corruption ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 only problem for the "swine" is that this is an international corruption case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 I could never understand the statute of limitations on crimes and in particularly on mega crimes that affect the public to a large extent and the culprits just laughing all the way to the bank or retirement village Scott free.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, robblok said: It would be great if the scrapped the statute of limitation on this one.. actually there should be no statute of limitation on ANY corruption case. Unfortunately all politicians (PTP and Democrats) disagree of course. Otherwise it would have been law a long time ago. If the PM means business he would scrap the statute of limitation for all corruption cases, that would make a lot of people uneasy (on both sides of the political spectrum). It would be a great deterrent because now ruling parties can suppress investigations and if they stay in power long enough can starve off any investigations. (that is why a change of government is great even by coup). Now if there is no statute of limitations then the strategy of staying in power and suppressing investigations wont work anymore. His "business" is the same as any previous PMs business. The business of enriching and protecting his allies, family, friends, supporters, sponsors, and consolidating his power. That simple fact seems to have eluded you. Even though the practice is "standard", and plenty of people are more than willing to point it out. Instead of continuously "humping and pumping" your tedious mantra of "a change of government is great even by coup" how about taking a time out and have a quiet little "think" (maybe read some online historical references, or a book?) about what the situation really is, and why it endures from generation to generation. Edited January 28, 2017 by Enoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 These aren't the corrupt officials you're looking for... Waves hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIWIBATCH Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Corruption in Thailand....noooo I cannot believe it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 One name immediately springs to mind, and considering the timing of the bribery payments there is NO chance that he was not involved The new airport must have been a really big money earner ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 NACC Poljeak said (summarizing) that there was no need for Prayut to invoke Article 44 to extend the statute of limitations for those expired bribery cases because that would put the country in a bad light. (Thai news source that cannot be named in TV) So justice avoided is a patriotic duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 A bit similar to the FIFA scandal, when these people do deals internationally, they're likely to be scrutinized by international/external standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Quote "...no action has been taken against the individuals who received the bribes. " Oh I don't know, they might have had to share some of their winnings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DekDaeng Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 16 hours ago, ezzra said: I could never understand the statute of limitations on crimes and in particularly on mega crimes that affect the public to a large extent and the culprits just laughing all the way to the bank or retirement village Scott free.... Yes. Does anyone know the justification for ANY statute of limitations? And anyway, does not a SOL clock begin when knowledge of the crime becomes available / public? i.e., in this case, now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 NACC Poljeak said (summarizing) that there was no need for Prayut to invoke Article 44 to extend the statute of limitations for those expired bribery cases because that would put the country in a bad light. (Thai news source that cannot be named in TV) So justice avoided is a patriotic duty.I wonder if it has occurred to him, and his colleagues, so concerned with the countries reputation, that the fact that Rolls Royce, the cable suppliers and no doubt many other major companies regard it as absolutely routine to offer eye-watering bribes in order to do business with Thai state agencies says it all about the countries reputation in this field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Enoon said: His "business" is the same as any previous PMs business. The business of enriching and protecting his allies, family, friends, supporters, sponsors, and consolidating his power. That simple fact seems to have eluded you. Even though the practice is "standard", and plenty of people are more than willing to point it out. Instead of continuously "humping and pumping" your tedious mantra of "a change of government is great even by coup" how about taking a time out and have a quiet little "think" (maybe read some online historical references, or a book?) about what the situation really is, and why it endures from generation to generation. Sorry, i stick to my opinion and its proven by facts. Fact is whoever is in power will stall and oppose any investigations into corruption that they are part of. Fact.. only a goverment of an other color or military government will go after the corruption of others. (again a fact). So the only way for corrupt officials to face any kind of punishment is when a government of their "enemies" is in power. So I also welcome it when PTP is again in power and goes after other corrupt officials. I rather see it an other way but this is the way it works in Thailand.. you can read all the books you want but this is the reality in Thailand. Great example is how YL said there was no corruption in her rice program.. how it did not make any loss.. a government official came forward to oppose her she got bullied and threatened with court cases. Democrats came with rotting rice.. threatened with theft... Later on it was found out that the program did indeed cost money 500billion (not pocket change but was kept off book) and there was corruption (fake GTG deals by her highest ministers). This would NEVER have been prosecuted as long as the PTP was in power. Keep your mantra about democracy.. but when you only use voting as a measure of democracy your wrong.. Its about any more things like transparency and even going after corruption in your own government. So i would not consider them any more democratic then the junta. (only difference they were voted in after that the principles of democracy stopped) Now if the PTP gets in power and goes after misdeeds of the army or democrats I only applaud this.. as you can read in ANY topic on corruption i post in I don't care what color shirt they have if they are corrupt they need to be punished. Unfortunately here the only way for corruption of a government to be exposed is when there is a new government of a different color. Until this problem is solved I keep my mantra. The fact that i want that statute of limitation lifted says enough.. it means I dont want ANY government official of ANY party to be protected by it. Edited January 29, 2017 by robblok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choff56 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 3 hours ago, JAG said: I wonder if it has occurred to him, and his colleagues, so concerned with the countries reputation, that the fact that Rolls Royce, the cable suppliers and no doubt many other major companies regard it as absolutely routine to offer eye-watering bribes in order to do business with Thai state agencies says it all about the countries reputation in this field? Not corruption, just the Thai business elite practicing "their version" of a sufficiency economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedemon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Quote "Thai authorities already have conclusive documentary evidence on bribery involving UK aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce and Thai Airways International (THAI) and PTT, but no action has been taken against the individuals who received the bribes." Presumably the documentary evidence he is talking about is from the UK SFO showing that payments were made from RR to an intermediary. To prove bribery it will also need to be proved that the intermediary shared the proceeds with decision makers at THAI and PTT. Without that this case doesn't have any legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, thedemon said: Presumably the documentary evidence he is talking about is from the UK SFO showing that payments were made from RR to an intermediary. To prove bribery it will also need to be proved that the intermediary shared the proceeds with decision makers at THAI and PTT. Without that this case doesn't have any legs. And since that particular ball is firmly in the Thai court, we can fairly safely assume that the case has already lost its legs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjaak327 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) On 28-1-2017 at 4:10 AM, robblok said: It would be great if the scrapped the statute of limitation on this one.. actually there should be no statute of limitation on ANY corruption case. Unfortunately all politicians (PTP and Democrats) disagree of course. Otherwise it would have been law a long time ago. If the PM means business he would scrap the statute of limitation for all corruption cases, that would make a lot of people uneasy (on both sides of the political spectrum). It would be a great deterrent because now ruling parties can suppress investigations and if they stay in power long enough can starve off any investigations. (that is why a change of government is great even by coup). Now if there is no statute of limitations then the strategy of staying in power and suppressing investigations wont work anymore. The current rulers have nothing to worry about of course, they cannot be dragged to court due to an amnesty. Funny how one group of people need to be curtailed, yet another group of people have carte blanche and are effectively above the law. Edited January 29, 2017 by sjaak327 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) No worries, readers, VIPs, Hi-sos, and other Elites; the scandal is already swept under the rug... Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Edited January 29, 2017 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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