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[Jimi007]

4 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

 LOL ?  More like Arghhhh... thanks for making me hunt for  a copy shop  for nothing.

They ask for it when you submit your paperwork. The girl at the front desk just hands you your passport when you hand her your receipt. Another thing you'll need is your phone number. It's not listed anywhere, but it's needed for most anything at Immigration now.

[PhuketSarah]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

To a certain extend, yes, but in real life this whole process is relatively straight forward. You are making your life much more aliddifficult than need be.

 

So far in all threads you have posted about this you have at least 10 people giving you all information, but you keep banging and banging. Your head must hurt by now, needlessly.

Not at all, my point IO can do whatever the heck  they want has not been misproven.

 

I still am unclear on validity period for the bank statement- or if I need it, or if I might need it...  or if    

[PhuketSarah]

1 minute ago, Jimi007 said:

They ask for it when you submit your paperwork. The girl at the front desk just hands you your passport when you hand her your receipt. Another thing you'll need is your phone number. It's not listed anywhere, but it's needed for most anything at Immigration now.

Read the post I am responding to. He was asked for it initially , not at pick up, after he'd gotten  it taken and printed. They did not ask for it  They forgot it was needed 

 

[Jimi007]

15 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

If I'm misguided, it's from the IO own requirement sheet.  And I am reading the advice here, about the  5 or 6 questions I had from the requirement sheet. Now I know I O can ask for any supporting docs they want,  I can be sent on a MFA goose chase while IO  can still can decide  any way they want, and the certified means I scribble on a sheet of paper.

Still not clear on the  bank statement validity period    

You said you don't have the money in the bank, so get an income statement... Why are you worried about it. Or put 800K and have a balance above 800 K in the bank for 3 months before you apply for your extension. This is not your first extension, which from reading your other thread it is not. If you've done it before why all ridiculous questions. The only thing that's changed is the outside photo and the statement you sign saying you understand the terms of your extension. Two years ago they added the residence statement from your land lord. Everything else has been the same for many years.

Edited August 6, 2017 by Jimi007

[PhuketSarah]

So I DO need a letter from the bank and statement ?  Ubon Joe in the visa forum says, not needed with income affidavit..

If so...

 Is there a validity period of 7 days, (not on the req sheet,) and; 

Does 7 day  validity apply to statements, too? 

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

So I DO need a letter from the bank and statement ?  Ubon Joe in the visa forum says, not needed with income affidavit..

If so...

 Is there a validity period of 7 days, (not on the req sheet,) and; 

Does 7 day  validity apply to statements, too? 

See UJ's answer, and many, many similar answers here before.

[madmitch]

Out of the four most recent postings on the Phuket forum, three are on this subject! Add that to PhuketSarah's post on exactly the same subject the visa forum and we're getting into the realms of confusion and overkill.

 

Just seen at least one has been closed. Thank you.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by madmitch

[Jimi007]

1 hour ago, PhuketSarah said:

So I DO need a letter from the bank and statement ?  Ubon Joe in the visa forum says, not needed with income affidavit..

If so...

 Is there a validity period of 7 days, (not on the req sheet,) and; 

Does 7 day  validity apply to statements, too? 

Your questions have been asked and answered more than once! Once again; NO YOU DO NOT NEED A BANK STATEMENT OR LETTER FROM THE BANK IF USING AN INCOME AFFIDAVIT! You only need a copy of the front page of your bank book and the original affidavit from the US Consulate that is good for 6 months from the date of issue! But if you don't want to believe us, up to you, good luck! You may want to bring a copy of your bank statement, which you can print out if you have online banking like I do or bring your updated bank book if they ask for verification of income, but they have never asked me in 11 years for that, but better to have it in your possession than not, just in case. 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Jimi007
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[NamKangMan]

 

I'm surprised the question hasn't been asked: "Where do I get a camera for the photo of the house number?"  

[PhuketSarah]

This was just posted on  the Americans in Phuket  group FB page.  Far more comprehensive and clear  than the requirement  list I was given. 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by PhuketSarah

[phuketjock]

6 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

This was just posted on a FB page.  Far more comprehensive than the requirement  list I was given. 

 

I have posted this on your op in the visa forum and on an op in the Phuket forum why are you 

pretending you have just found it????                

It has been on the Phuket forum since the 1st of April 2017.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by phuketjock

[PhuketSarah]

3 hours ago, madmitch said:

Out of the four most recent postings on the Phuket forum, three are on this subject! Add that to PhuketSarah's post on exactly the same subject the visa forum and we're getting into the realms of confusion and overkill.

 

Just seen at least one has been closed. Thank you.

 

 

The visa forum thread   initially had nothing to do with this topic was asking about  shorter extension options. However, several members from Phuket forum section joined in on the conversation and it has evolved into a discussion of my questions put forth in the now closed thread. 

 Even the visa moderator  Ubon Joe agrees the form I was given is missing an all  important  conjuction-  or  which was a  source of confusion.

Udon Joe  is also of the opinion no statement  or bank letter is needed  for the retirement visa, if an affidavit is used , but posts here contradict that. 

 Can you confirm either way please or that the statement is subject to a 7 day validity as is the letter? 

[Here2008]

1 minute ago, phuketjock said:

I have posted this on your op in the visa forum and on an op in the Phuket forum why are you 

pretending you have just found it????                

 

Probably best if everyone was to cease responding to member 'Sarah'  who seems to thrive on posting repetitive, provocative and inaccurate comment.

[skatewash]

27 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

This was just posted on  the Americans in Phuket  group FB page.  Far more comprehensive and clear  than the requirement  list I was given. 

 

Good information, but does contain one error (typo):  The amount required for bank-only or combination method is 800,000 Baht (not 800.00 Baht).

[PhuketSarah]

1 minute ago, skatewash said:

Good information, but does contain one error (typo):  The amount required for bank-only or combination method is 800,000 Baht (not 800.00 Baht).

Huh oh...careful you'll unleash Ye Ol' Pedantic Curmudgeon who claims elsewhere this is how Thais do it..

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

The visa forum thread   initially had nothing to do with this topic was asking about  shorter extension options. However, several members from Phuket forum section joined in on the conversation and it has evolved into a discussion of my questions put forth in the now closed thread. 

 Even the visa moderator  Ubon Joe agrees the form I was given is missing an all  important  conjuction-  or  which was a  source of confusion.

Udon Joe  is also of the opinion no statement  or bank letter is needed  for the retirement visa, if an affidavit is used , but posts here contradict that. 

 Can you confirm either way please or that the statement is subject to a 7 day validity as is the letter? 

"but posts here contradict that. "

 

Please show these posts, because afaik this has not been contradicted, only confirmed many, many times. Again, you're making things incredibly hard on yourself, and confusing not only yourself but everybody else with unclear, incorrect posts and information.

[nasa123]

35 minutes ago, phuketjock said:

I have posted this on your op in the visa forum and on an op in the Phuket forum why are you 

pretending you have just found it????                

It has been on the Phuket forum since the 1st of April 2017.

 

 

Yes that was me from Nasa123 :) from Phuket, Have a nice day to you all :)

Edited August 7, 2017 by nasa123

[PhuketSarah]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

"but posts here contradict that. "

 

Please show these posts, because afaik this has not been contradicted, only confirmed many, many times. Again, you're making things incredibly hard on yourself, and confusing not only yourself but everybody else with unclear, incorrect posts and information.

Post's read here  here claim a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension.

The smeared and erred sheet of paper I was given by immigration states a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension no matter the method. 

 

The far more comprehensive and detailed requirement list I just saw on a FB page AND  a similar posting earlier in this thread  states a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension no matter the method. 

 

Ubon Joe in a thread on the visa forum is of the opinion that is not correct  A bank letter IS NOT needed for an extension using an income affidavit. 

 

1 ) Do you disagree with Ubon Joe ?    OR     2 )  Do you agree with  Ubon Joe  

 

 

 

 

[phuketjock]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"but posts here contradict that. "

 

Please show these posts, because afaik this has not been contradicted, only confirmed many, many times. Again, you're making things incredibly hard on yourself, and confusing not only yourself but everybody else with unclear, incorrect posts and information.

I think we will find that the only posts that contradict anything are her own posts but lets see?

 

Just as I thought she is quoting her own posts, hilarious.                              

Edited August 7, 2017 by phuketjock

[PhuketSarah]

5 minutes ago, nasa123 said:

Yes that was me from Nasa123 :) from Phuket, Have a nice day to you all :)

I have that member on ignore. I did see that several days ago  but as it appears to be simply a post from a member ( you )   I thought the info should be double checked especially since the requirement list i was given by IO contradicted a few points ( by omissions and error  it turns out )  Thank you for your courtesy 

[phuketjock]

4 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

Post's read here  here claim a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension.

The smeared and erred sheet of paper I was given by immigration states a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension no matter the method. 

 

The far more comprehensive and detailed requirement list I just saw on a FB page AND  a similar posting earlier in this thread  states a letter from the bank is needed for retirement visa extension no matter the method. 

 

Ubon Joe in a thread on the visa forum is of the opinion that is not correct  A bank letter IS NOT needed for an extension using an income affidavit. 

 

1 ) Do you disagree with Ubon Joe ?    OR     2 )  Do you agree with  Ubon Joe  

 

 

 

 

You are making no sense again.

 the FB page and similar posting you quote quite clearly state that there is no 

requirement for a Bank letter if your are using the income method, only if you

are using the bank deposit of 800,000 Baht do you require bank letters, but

some posters have recommended that you take you bank book along with you

just in case you should be asked to show your living expenses, it is not a

requirement and it is unlikely to be asked for.

Perhaps you require reading glasses??

 

[PhuketSarah]

15 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"but posts here contradict that. "

 

Please show these posts, because afaik this has not been contradicted, only confirmed many, many times. Again, you're making things incredibly hard on yourself, and confusing not only yourself but everybody else with unclear, incorrect posts and information.

I'm asking questions based on a  doc IO gave me, not offering answers to anyone.  I think it's been established the requirement sheet IO gave me is not only erred with the omission of the "OR"  at the end of line 3, but is poorly printed with several words almost illegible. Because of this  I had many questions,  which IO  was too busy watching TV to answer. However now, at this point,  most have been answered by the far less  irritable  folks on the visa section  forums.

 

My last question remains, the validity period  of the bank  statement.  Do you have an answer for that.  Or not? 

  

 

 

[Here2008]

6 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

My last question remains, the validity period  of the bank  statement.  Do you have an answer for that.  Or not? 

  

 

Your question was answered earlier ! 

 

"The bank should provide you with a letter for immigration.  They should know what this is, because they do them all the time.  Get this letter on the same day as you apply for the extension.  You should also update your passbook that day.  You will show both"

 

You should check back on the voluminous thread(s) you have created -- ALL your questions have been answered. 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

I'm asking questions based on a  doc IO gave me, not offering answers to anyone.  I think it's been established the requirement sheet IO gave me is not only erred with the omission of the "OR"  at the end of line 3, but is poorly printed with several words almost illegible. Because of this  I had many questions,  which IO  was too busy watching TV to answer. However now, at this point,  most have been answered by the far less  irritable  folks on the visa section  forums.

 

My last question remains, the validity period  of the bank  statement.  Do you have an answer for that.  Or not? 

  

 

 

Sorry, I'm too busy reading TV now.

[observer90210]

Certain embassies or consulates will not issue a pension letter, if one get's a pension from a private funded institution.

 

Have a few doubts that Thai immigration will accept  the pension affidavit from a private pension foundation??

[PhuketSarah]

34 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"but posts here contradict that. "

 

Please show these posts, because afaik this has not been contradicted, only confirmed many, many times. Again, you're making things incredibly hard on yourself, and confusing not only yourself but everybody else with unclear, incorrect posts and information.

Bottom of page 6  Ubon Joe   The list of required documents are for the all of the options to meet the financial proof. You choose which are the ones for your option is only number 5..

 

[Here2008]

1 minute ago, observer90210 said:

Certain embassies or consulates will not issue a pension letter, if one get's a pension from a private funded institution.

 

 

Which Embassies/Consulates refuse a Letter/Affidavit relating to pension income?  The vast majority of Pension incomes are derived from "private" as opposed to Government sources. 

[PhuketSarah]

26 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

Certain embassies or consulates will not issue a pension letter, if one get's a pension from a private funded institution.

 

Have a few doubts that Thai immigration will accept  the pension affidavit from a private pension foundation??

I have no doubt they will not. It must be from an Embassy. It's  simply an income affidavit, the source of income on the  US affidavit  uses no such term as pension. 

Now I remember the IO was insisting I call  the income  a pension. Foolishly, I attempted honesty " No really just an investment fund dividend" 

From the government, right?  " Um, er well...  Not really." 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by PhuketSarah

[observer90210]

1 minute ago, PhuketSarah said:

I have no doubt. It's  simply an income affidavit, the source of income on the  US affidavit  uses no such term as pension. 

Now I remember the IO was insisting I call  the income  a pension. Foolishly, I attempted honesty " No really just an investment fund dividend" 

From the government, right?  " Um, er well...  Not really." 

 

ok thanks then that is good news. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[skatewash]

23 minutes ago, PhuketSarah said:

The visa forum thread   initially had nothing to do with this topic was asking about  shorter extension options. However, several members from Phuket forum section joined in on the conversation and it has evolved into a discussion of my questions put forth in the now closed thread. 

 Even the visa moderator  Ubon Joe agrees the form I was given is missing an all  important  conjuction-  or  which was a  source of confusion.

Udon Joe  is also of the opinion no statement  or bank letter is needed  for the retirement visa, if an affidavit is used , but posts here contradict that. 

 Can you confirm either way please or that the statement is subject to a 7 day validity as is the letter? 

If you are relying on any bank deposit to meet the requirements then it is my understanding that you need both the bank letter and a bank statement, each issued by the bank containing the appropriate signatures and stamps.  That is, you need them if you are using the bank-only method or the combination method.

If you are relying simply on having >= 65,000 Baht income (certified by your Embassy letter) then you do not need to have either the bank letter or a bank statement.

 

However, it is within the purview of the immigration officer to ask questions about how you support yourself while living in Thailand.  For that reason, I take a lot of documentation with me when I go for my retirement extension.  These things seem obvious to me but maybe not everyone sees it the same way.  I take with me:

 

Bank book and ATM card of the savings account I use to satisfy the 800,000 Baht requirement.  This bank account is a Mee Tae Dai savings account at Krungsri (which I recommend for this purpose).  This account shows very little activity.

Bank book and ATM card of the savings account I maintain at Bangkok Bank.  This bank book shows FET (the Bangkok Bank code for Foreign Exchange Transactions) of money coming into Thailand.  It also shows weekly or so withdrawals using the ATM card.  This shows the money I live on and the FET entries show that this money comes from outside Thailand.

 

My chanote and Tabian bahn (blue) for my condo.

My house registration Tabian bahn (yellow) to show where I live.

 

A hand-drawn map to my condo.  (I heard this was a requirement at some immigration offices.)

Pictures of me standing in front of my condo development.  This is in addition to the picture of me standing in front of my condo unit (which shows the address number).

 

I bring my current CAT internet bills, and Provincial Electric Authority (PEA) electricity bills that show me receiving mail at my condo unit address.  

None of these extra things are required as far as I know.  I don't show any of them unless I'm asked.  I bring them with me because it's easy to do so and if I were asked to show evidence of how I am supporting myself in Thailand they could very well help me to do so.  I have only rarely had to actually use any of these things, but I feel much better having them with me.  They serve me much better by coming with me to immigration than sitting a home.  

 

One time I was asked to provide copies of my 800,000 Baht bank account (yes, despite having the required certified bank letter and bank statement).  I smiled and pulled out the copies I had out of my backpack, signed them in front of the officer and handed them over.  Problem solved.  Another time I was sent to the local copy shop to make copies of something, but I don't at this time remember what it was.  Again, took whatever it was he wanted out of my backpack, went and made copies.  Problem solved.  

I never kick up any sort of a fuss at what I'm asked to provide, even if in some cases it doesn't seem to make any sense.  Especially if it's something I can do easily with what I've brought with me.  The way I look at it is this:  it's my job to make his job of giving me my extension as easy as possible.  If this means doing something extra (not specifically required) to give him a warm fuzzy feeling that I'm not illegally working in Thailand, I do it.  My retirement extensions tend to be very quick and actually pleasant.  I know I'm lucky in this respect, and that sometimes things go wrong that are completely out of your control.  But I also believe that to a certain extent you make your own luck ;-)