British PM May calls for early election on June 8

[JAG]

Who's barber? My barber never said that ( something for the weekend, sir? Was more usual)

Last time my barber asked me that question I was a bit naive, and asked for a lawnmower and 4 liters of Castrol 20/50. I was planning to mow the lawn and do an oil change on my pick up...

[JAG]

I beleive this is JC principle advisor.

 

 

 

I would suggest he describes himself as grungy grey then, given that he doesn't appear to have had a decent wash for a while

 

I know, I know, I'm just an old fascist stereotypes...

 

[BigKahuna]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

I beleive this is JC principle advisor.

 

 

 

Holding up a silly sign would be the most work he's done in 5 years.

[Grouse]

Blair is correct

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/24/tony-blair-fight-tories-june-election-brexit-labour-eu

[citybiker]

Blair is correct

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/24/tony-blair-fight-tories-june-election-brexit-labour-eu

 

The 'no blank cheque' hypocrisy from a Political party (Blair & Brown teamwork) that allowed the UK to be in the current £1.7 trillion debt and rising.

 

Mr Blair, don't let facts get in the way of a good Guardian column rant.

 

 

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[nauseus]

On 4/23/2017 at 8:50 PM, Grouse said:

Well reasoned comments from Blair

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39685678

Just like his reasoning for going into Iraq?

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Blair is correct

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/24/tony-blair-fight-tories-june-election-brexit-labour-eu

Blair should keep out of this as he should have kept of of Iraq.

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, BigKahuna said:

Holding up a silly sign would be the most work he's done in 5 years.

Is that Tony Blair with a wig?

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, citybiker said:

 

The 'no blank cheque' hypocrisy from a Political party (Blair & Brown teamwork) that allowed the UK to be in the current £1.7 trillion debt and rising.

 

Mr Blair, don't let facts get in the way of a good Guardian column rant.

 

 

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I don't think you understand the risk yet....

 

Incidentally, if you look at all the data, we're not so far away from the others.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=teina225&plugin=1

Edited April 25, 2017 by Grouse

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Blair should keep out of this as he should have kept of of Iraq.

He was wrong on Iraq 

 

He is ABSOLUTELY correct on Brexit!

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

He was wrong on Iraq 

 

He is ABSOLUTELY correct on Brexit!

Well, Grouse, you know I have to disagree on Brexit.

Blair has caused enough grief and should stay out.

[citybiker]

I don't think you understand the risk yet....  

Incidentally, if you look at all the data, we're not so far away from the others.

 

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/tgm/table.do?tab=table&init=1&language=en&pcode=teina225&plugin=1

 

 

I specialise in risk, I also fully understand that 'preparation and planning prevents pi$$ poor performance'.

 

Without revisiting this like an old stuck record....The 'possible' greater risk was to remain in a ignorant defiant and EU that blatantly refuses to reform, we've had 40yrs of a unbalanced marriage that on many situations Westminster was over-ruled by Brussel's. Cameron found out the hard way that Brussel's are not interested in reform when it had the opportunity to prove it as Brussel's knew Cameron was also an EU supporter, however May calling an GE was unwise but a reluctant move.

 

Result: Leave, the UK is quite capable & wishes to be a European neighbour but not have the EU political affiliation.

 

 

 

 

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[lungbing]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Is that Tony Blair with a wig?

No, it's his son about to be parachuted into a safe Labour seat.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, citybiker said:

 

I specialise in risk, I also fully understand that 'preparation and planning prevents pi$$ poor performance'.

 

Without revisiting this like an old stuck record....The 'possible' greater risk was to remain in a ignorant defiant and EU that blatantly refuses to reform, we've had 40yrs of a unbalanced marriage that on many situations Westminster was over-ruled by Brussel's. Cameron found out the hard way that Brussel's are not interested in reform when it had the opportunity to prove it as Brussel's knew Cameron was also an EU supporter, however May calling an GE was unwise but a reluctant move.

 

Result: Leave, the UK is quite capable & wishes to be a European neighbour but not have the EU political affiliation.

 

 

 

 

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Ha! Liked by the three Brexiteers!

 

Actually, you missed the main risk.  Hard right Cons don't want a deal; they want to crash out.

 

Slash corporation tax to 13%. Drive down Sterling and Reep the FTSE gains

 

Meanwhile, the average UK family gets crushed with reduced services poor infrastructure a more fractured society and even greater inequality.

 

Pass the Bollinger!

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Is that Tony Blair with a wig?

This is the genuine Tony WMD Blair. That some Remoaners put up as a good example of whome to listen to.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2017 by nontabury

[Grouse]

23 minutes ago, nontabury said:

This is the genuine Tony WMD Blair. That some Remoaners put up as a good example of whome to listen to.

 

 

OK, you show me someone who never got anything wrong; and I'll show you a liar.

 

I suspect you forget the monetarist Tories that he unseated including, that bumptious imbecile, Lamont.

 

As a Yorkshireman, I'm surprised at you ?

 

(AND, I note TM is still in thrall to our American cousins)

Edited April 25, 2017 by Grouse

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, Grouse said:

OK, you show me someone who never got anything wrong; and I'll show you a liar.

 

I suspect you forget the monetarist Tories that he unseated including, that bumptious imbecile, Lamont.

 

As a Yorkshireman, I'm surprised at you ?

 

(AND, I note TM is still in thrall to our American cousins)

What a sad attempt at diversion.

[Grouse]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What a sad attempt at diversion.

No, I said I agreed that Blair was wrong on Iraq.

 

That does not make home wrong on everything

 

Fancy a list of strategic military cockups? How long have you got?

[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

No, I said I agreed that Blair was wrong on Iraq.

 

That does not make home wrong on everything

 

Fancy a list of strategic military cockups? How long have you got?

It's not just Iraq. His subsequent career catering to dictators is pretty sleazy.

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

It's not just Iraq. His subsequent career catering to dictators is pretty sleazy.

Yes, I'm inclined to agree; and let's not forget his conversion to Catholicism! But he's not all wrong! Sometimes?

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes, I'm inclined to agree; and let's not forget his conversion to Catholicism! But he's not all wrong! Sometimes?

I'm not saying his argument here is wrong. Just that there are better people to cite.

[jayboy]

On 24/04/2017 at 0:16 PM, CharlieK said:

The only person who thinks Blair is a good politician is Blair. He cared so much for the county he gave Brown the premiership, so he could go make millions on the talk circuit. Any political situation he has been involved with since has been a total failure. 

Quite agree.After all he only made Labour electable after 25 years of incompetence and then won three General Election victories.He only destroyed the Tory heartland and won over the central middle class ground without which no party can win in the UK.

 

What a failure and how fortunate we are now to have the dynamic Corbyn at the helm who is set to eviscerate the Tory scum.

[SheungWan]

There are two points which Tony Blair makes in the referenced article which are important. The first is core which is that the election is about Brexit. One would think that was obvious but actually it is a shot across Jeremy Corbyn's bows. Do not forget that it was Corbyn's behaviour over Brexit at the last election which caused open civil war to break out in Labour Party ranks. Corbyn will attempt more of the evasive same for the forthcoming election so Blair's comment is apposite. The second comment of note from Blair is to recognise that there may be a Tory landslide and what Labour candidates should consider as the core of their campaigning in order to defend the rump of the Party. He is pointing the Labour Party towards where they ought to be after the election. This election is lost. Circle the wagons. A pretty last-ditch defensive position. The Labour Party leadership may have declared that they will not hold another referendum but that doesn't make their problems go away. The LP is asking the country to be the majority party. That means that if they were to win they assume responsibility for the Brexit negotiations. So the question is, what is their strategy for that? Even to ask the question prompts derision and Blair knows they will not and cannot deliver a manifesto on Brexit that convinces. And that is why Blair is pointing towards a defensive crouch for the Labour Party. Launch the lifeboats.

[citybiker]

Ha! Liked by the three Brexiteers!
 
Actually, you missed the main risk.  Hard right Cons don't want a deal; they want to crash out.
 
Slash corporation tax to 13%. Drive down Sterling and Reep the FTSE gains
 
Meanwhile, the average UK family gets crushed with reduced services poor infrastructure a more fractured society and even greater inequality.
 
Pass the Bollinger!

If the EU plays hard ball then why shouldn't corporation tax be more competitive?*

Reduced services will continue until improved efficiency, and less monies going to EU coffees for one, other factors shouldn't be eliminated either.

I understand there's an element of hard line Cons but doubt TM will allow them to flex their agenda, sterling will re-adjust just like it did shortly after the result.

*the corporate tax attraction shouldn't be seen as a negative issue & seen more as wealth creators, thus filtering down.

FTSE 100 or 250? As 250 is more UK internally focused & gives more tangible evidence than the other which I'm sure you knew that...




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[Guest]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

There are two points which Tony Blair makes in the referenced article which are important. The first is core which is that the election is about Brexit. One would think that was obvious but actually it is a shot across Jeremy Corbyn's bows. Do not forget that it was Corbyn's behaviour over Brexit at the last election which caused open civil war to break out in Labour Party ranks. Corbyn will attempt more of the evasive same for the forthcoming election so Blair's comment is apposite. The second comment of note from Blair is to recognise that there may be a Tory landslide and what Labour candidates should consider as the core of their campaigning in order to defend the rump of the Party. He is pointing the Labour Party towards where they ought to be after the election. This election is lost. Circle the wagons. A pretty last-ditch defensive position. The Labour Party leadership may have declared that they will not hold another referendum but that doesn't make their problems go away. The LP is asking the country to be the majority party. That means that if they were to win they assume responsibility for the Brexit negotiations. So the question is, what is their strategy for that? Even to ask the question prompts derision and Blair knows they will not and cannot deliver a manifesto on Brexit that convinces. And that is why Blair is pointing towards a defensive crouch for the Labour Party. Launch the lifeboats.

While you have something to say, please learn to use paragraphs.

Nobody is going through what you just wrote.

[citybiker]

No, I said I agreed that Blair was wrong on Iraq.
 
That does not make home wrong on everything
 
Fancy a list of strategic military cockups? How long have you got?

Cameron's military cock up was interfering with Libya without a coherent post conflict action plan, many would suggest another poodle to US.

Thankfully, despite the tragic ME events Syria is not (for now on U.K. radar).

It's early days for TM.


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[Reigntax]

On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 1:05 AM, vogie said:

?

 

A coded message to Putin?

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

While you have something to say, please learn to use paragraphs.

Nobody is going through what you just wrote.

The trouble with election campaigns is that some people have nothing to say but unfortunately they are compelled to say something anyway.

[nontabury]

6 hours ago, oilinki said:

While you have something to say, please learn to use paragraphs.

Nobody is going through what you just wrote.

For once, I'm going to back-up Sheung Wan. It's not all about how you say something, it's what you say.

[Orac]

If the EU plays hard ball then why shouldn't corporation tax be more competitive?*

Reduced services will continue until improved efficiency, and less monies going to EU coffees for one, other factors shouldn't be eliminated either.

I understand there's an element of hard line Cons but doubt TM will allow them to flex their agenda, sterling will re-adjust just like it did shortly after the result.

*the corporate tax attraction shouldn't be seen as a negative issue & seen more as wealth creators, thus filtering down.

FTSE 100 or 250? As 250 is more UK internally focused & gives more tangible evidence than the other which I'm sure you knew that...




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The problem is the trickle down effect does not seem to be working and one of the major contributors to public sentiment in the UK at present seems to be being driven by that increase in inequality. The key beneficiaries of this would be corporations and their shareholders rather than 'the man in the street'.

If the UK can attract substantially more business to the UK using low corporation tax rates despite our dislocation and difficulties of trading with the EU, more so by their restrictions placed on us by being a low cost tax haven next door, then all well and good but the odds are very much against it and it is more likely that it would be a ploy to try and retain business we already have.

If that were a case then the cut in corp tax would come be paid for straight out of govt revenue - tax currently generates about 45 billion a year or 8 % of govt revenue - so the cut has the potential to cost us more than twice our EU nett contribution and wouldn't look very good on the side of a bus.