Don’t waste coup – reform country, Yingluck tells junta

[brucec64]

All of her comments are valid. There was a considerable economic cost from the coup (far outweighing rice scheme costs) and no meaningful reform. The economy is a mess, and bombings in the South and Bangkok show that peace and reconciliation have not been achieved.

Apart from submarines and beach chairs, what have they really accomplished?

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[brucec64]

"...because [the coup] has caused huge damage to the economy,"

Really?

The Thailand economy advanced 1.3 percent quarter-on-quarter in the first quarter of 2017, much stronger than an upwardly revised 0.5 percent expansion in the prior quarter and slightly above market estimates of a 1.2 percent growth. It was the fastest quarterly growth since the December quarter 2012, mainly supported by private consumption and exports.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/thailand/gdp-growth

Her "impeachment" -- and an end to her ludicrous populist schemes -- was a blessing for Thailand. Anybody really think Thailand would be better off had she not been removed? (bleeding heart liberals need not respond)

Try going back a few years. Thailand has lost economic growth in all 3 coup years based on pre coup projections. One estimate is that there was a loss of 20 billion dollars, much higher than any rice schema costs, and public confidence is at an all time low.

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[elgordo38]

3 hours ago, 55Jay said:

I get what she's trying to say overall, and she's right, but jeeez.....

Congratulations your one of the few. A lot of brick tossers. 

[yardrunner]

3 hours ago, likewise said:

Her first car policy has put lots of cars on the road without the much needed infrastructure and has put many in debt......not a great move, there were so many other policies she could have done instead of populist ones !

She's talking out of her..... again

and the present government continue with populist policies

[ramrod711]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

"Today we don't see a concrete reform. If there is no reform it would be a waste because [the coup] has caused huge damage to the economy,"

I don't think it can be argued that she isn't an expert on damaging an economy so perhaps they should pay attention. As for concrete reform, she would look really good in concrete overshoes. They could blast her out of a torpedo tube from one of the submarines. That alone would make the purchase worthwhile.

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Yes. Comfortably. Most Thais i speak to have the same sentiments.

That "most" Thais would have voted her out buy still they prevented the election. Hmmm wonder why.

[baboon]

34 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

All of her comments are valid. There was a considerable economic cost from the coup (far outweighing rice scheme costs) and no meaningful reform. The economy is a mess, and bombings in the South and Bangkok show that peace and reconciliation have not been achieved.

Apart from submarines and beach chairs, what have they really accomplished?

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The intangible? 

[ratcatcher]

2 hours ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

You REALLY need to get out more.

 Yes, I probably do, but I was merely commenting on the fact that at 50, she is still an attractive Thai woman. Perhaps not as cute as some of the babes where you hang out.

[AGareth2]

6 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

 Yes, I probably do, but I was merely commenting on the fact that at 50, she is still an attractive Thai woman. Perhaps not as cute as some of the babes where you hang out.

surely he is not in Mae Hong son?

[owl sees all]

If there was a 'fair and open' election, Y Shin's party (whatever they might be called) would sweep to power with 70% plus.

 

The difference is that the military, through their changes and  reforms, would have no intention of letting the government run the country.

 

The military will be an iron fist in a velvet glove for years to come.

[Mickmouse1]

Did she list her grand achievements? 

I wouldn't mind mounting that 1?

[Godang]

4 hours ago, JimGant said:

Really?

Her "impeachment" -- and an end to her ludicrous populist schemes -- was a blessing for Thailand. Anybody really think Thailand would be better off had she not been removed? (bleeding heart liberals need not respond)

Why cannot respond?

[Godang]

1 hour ago, mark01 said:

I do fancy her.... ???

Get in line.

[Reigntax]

1 hour ago, brucec64 said:

All of her comments are valid. There was a considerable economic cost from the coup (far outweighing rice scheme costs) and no meaningful reform. The economy is a mess, and bombings in the South and Bangkok show that peace and reconciliation have not been achieved.

Apart from submarines and beach chairs, what have they really accomplished?

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The lotteries and the Bridge Club? Oh and the mad monk has been quietened!

[Smarter Than You]

5 hours ago, the guest said:

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Missing a couple of minor details old chum, it should read:

 

The elected pot calling the unelected kettle black.

[Smarter Than You]

4 hours ago, worgeordie said:

The coup was all about her and her brother,so I hope it has

not been a waste,as no one has gone to jail yet.

regards worgeordie

The coup was absolutely not about "her and her brother". 

The coup was about whether the government of Thailand is going to serve all Thais or just the rich few.

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, JimGant said:

Really?

Her "impeachment" -- and an end to her ludicrous populist schemes -- was a blessing for Thailand. Anybody really think Thailand would be better off had she not been removed? (bleeding heart liberals need not respond)

 

Totally agree Jim, But she wasn't removed by any coup. She dissolved parliament and became the caretaker PM. She was then removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power before the coup. The Shins PR team and sadly lazy journalists must think being removed by a coup sounds better as it represents her a a victim rather than a wrong doer.

 

The only things that was massively increasing under the Shins was, surprise surprise, their family fortune. 

 

If anybody thinks Thailand would have been better off under a Thaksin owned PTP once they got their hands on that 2.2 trillion baht loan they're living in cuckoo land.

[Smarter Than You]

5 hours ago, JimGant said:

Really?

Her "impeachment" -- and an end to her ludicrous populist schemes -- was a blessing for Thailand. Anybody really think Thailand would be better off had she not been removed? (bleeding heart liberals need not respond)

You are 100% correct, the Thais now have submarines.

 

(Not sure if I qualify as a bleeding heart liberal as I do believe that the poor should have access to affordable health care, their children a right to decent education and all Thais a say in the future of their country via the ballot box).

[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, Smarter Than You said:

Missing a couple of minor details old chum, it should read:

 

The elected pot calling the unelected kettle black.

 

How about the elected and removed for an illegal act pot calling the kettle black?

[heybruce]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

How about the elected and removed for an illegal act pot calling the kettle black?

And replaced by coup leaders who's first priority was to give themselves amnesty for their own illegal acts.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Totally agree Jim, But she wasn't removed by any coup. She dissolved parliament and became the caretaker PM. She was then removed by a court for an illegal abuse of power before the coup. The Shins PR team and sadly lazy journalists must think being removed by a coup sounds better as it represents her a a victim rather than a wrong doer.

 

The only things that was massively increasing under the Shins was, surprise surprise, their family fortune. 

 

If anybody thinks Thailand would have been better off under a Thaksin owned PTP once they got their hands on that 2.2 trillion baht loan they're living in cuckoo land.

Yingluck was not removed by the coup, the elected party was removed by the coup, and democratic government along with it.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Smarter Than You said:

You are 100% correct, the Thais now have submarines.

 

(Not sure if I qualify as a bleeding heart liberal as I do believe that the poor should have access to affordable health care, their children a right to decent education and all Thais a say in the future of their country via the ballot box).

 

So do I - but the Shins weren't doing any major reforms. 

 

They threw the odd bone to the poor as one tactic to get votes and supported ballot boxes as long as their candidate won whilst stopping opponents canvassing.

 

 

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So do I - but the Shins weren't doing any major reforms. 

 

They threw the odd bone to the poor as one tactic to get votes and supported ballot boxes as long as their candidate won whilst stopping opponents canvassing.

 

 

You do realize that 'opponents' and all other candidates, can not canvas now, don't you?

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Yingluck was not removed by the coup, the elected party was removed by the coup, and democratic government along with it.

 

An elected government that was in caretaker mode, suffering under mass public protests and incapable or unwilling to do anything about extreme violence and murder being aimed at the protesters and also affecting innocent by-standers.

 

And all because someone wanted a whitewash amnesty and to put himself above and beyond the law.

 

Amazing though how many so called journalists do say the Yingluck was removed in a coup. Just like they do her brother without noting he has resigned as PM, resigned as caretaker PM and then seized back the caretaker PM role with no authority, election, anyone but his own approval.

 

 

 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, heybruce said:

You do realize that 'opponents' and all other candidates, can not canvas now, don't you?

 

Yes.

 

[IMA_FARANG]

A nice dream but it will never happen.

There are those in Thailand as well as other countries who benefit from an exploitive Capitalistic system, and they are those who control governments.

And they are not about to give up their control of power.

Even if it kills them and everyone else with them.

Just the ranting of an old man, pay no attention to this post.

 

 

[Smarter Than You]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

How about the elected and removed for an illegal act pot calling the kettle black?

Nice try, how about this - 

 

The elected by a huge majority despite the system being gerrymandered by a previous couple of coups (one military, one judicial) and in spite of this overwhelming popularity she still did the right thing by disbanding parliament and calling for early elections when a minority mob (military + elites + a few southern rubber farmers) took to the streets breaking countless laws causing chaos and death only to be removed as caretaker PM by corrupted courts for nonsense reasons (much like Samak and the cooking show) pot calling the UNELECTED kettle black.

[heybruce]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

An elected government that was in caretaker mode, suffering under mass public protests and incapable or unwilling to do anything about extreme violence and murder being aimed at the protesters and also affecting innocent by-standers.

 

And all because someone wanted a whitewash amnesty and to put himself above and beyond the law.

 

Amazing though how many so called journalists do say the Yingluck was removed in a coup. Just like they do her brother without noting he has resigned as PM, resigned as caretaker PM and then seized back the caretaker PM role with no authority, election, anyone but his own approval.

An elected government that responded with far greater restraint to protests than its predecessor, protests that had little impact on the vast majority of the country, a government that was wisely letting protests die of apathy and attempting to hold elections, and was toppled by a military and elite desperate to prevent elections.

[jcsmith]

4 hours ago, Cuchulainn said:

So she finally admits the country needs reform after her failed, disastrous government?

It needs reform in the sense that the two political parties flood paid protesters into the streets every time and the military then uses that as an excuse for a coup if the reds are in power each and every time. I'm all for peaceful protests. But when people invade government buildings, hospitals, or airports, the police and military need to disperse them. That can't be allowed to happen. But at the same time the military can't be allowed to have a coup every few years and then hold onto power inexplicably for years afterwards. Or where the junta seizes power and then persecutes one side (always the same one) while allowing Suthep to walk away clean after shouting to kidnap the then PM in front of thousands of people, and after bullying and stopping people from voting. 

 

There are plenty of problems that could use reform in Thailand. But where have the juntas improvements been? The only positive is that Bangkok doesn't have the inevitable protesters. Given the last round of protesters were paid, and that the leader of that effort has been given a lot of liberties since the coup that others have not had if you simply follow logic it will paint the picture that we aren't allowed to speak. And this peace in Bangkok what has it cost? A lot of freedom. A lot of deception. Corruption is still there, it's just someone else abusing it, this time behind the barrel of a loaded gun. 

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So do I - but the Shins weren't doing any major reforms. 

 

They threw the odd bone to the poor as one tactic to get votes and supported ballot boxes as long as their candidate won whilst stopping opponents canvassing.

What major reforms do you think the Shins should have done?  Has the military done any of these reforms?  Has the military reformed anything?