UK police brace for trouble as far-right and anti-racist groups protest

[rooster59]

UK police brace for trouble as far-right and anti-racist groups protest

 

Demonstrators gather for a march in support of the Anti-fascist group, in central London, Britain, June 24, 2017. REUTERS/Marko Djurica

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Hundreds of police officers lined the streets of London and Birmingham on Saturday to prevent far-right demonstrators from clashing with rival anti-fascism groups on a day of protest following deadly attacks in Britain.

 

In the country's second biggest city Birmingham, dozens of members of the far-right group Britain First took to the streets waving national flags and chanting "Britain First, Fighting Back".

 

Banners declared it was "Time to fight Islamic Terror".

 

Britain has been rocked by a string of attacks in recent months, with 35 people killed by Islamist assailants in London and Manchester while a man killed one and injured several others when he drove a van into Muslim worshippers leaving a London mosque on Monday.

 

The country has also been rocked by a fire at the vast Grenfell Tower social housing block in west London which killed at least 79 people.

 

Britain First describes itself as a patriotic resistance operating on the frontline in Britain, working to keep "our people" first ahead of "foreigners, asylum seekers or migrants".

 

West Midlands Police, which covers Birmingham, said they understood people had concerns over the march but could do nothing to stop it.

 

"There will be a high-visibility police presence at the scene and we have significant resources on standby should they be required," they said on Twitter.

 

In London, where police are still recovering from three major attacks in three months, officers imposed strict conditions on marches in the capital, dictating when and where people could protest.

 

Officers stood across major streets to prevent the English Defence League from getting near the Unite Against Fascism and United Against Extremism demonstrations.

 

"We have made the decision to impose conditions based on current tensions and concerns, information about the intentions of the organisers of these events and intelligence from previous marches held by similar groups," Superintendent Emma Richards said in a statement.

 

Police in 2013 arrested more than 160 people as trouble broke out between anti-Islamist activists and thousands of counter-demonstrators in an area of east London that was home to one of Britain's largest Muslim communities.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-06-25

[DaveE13]

Not a mention of the peaceful FLA march with between 8 to 10,000 marching. No trouble all London Football fans united against extremists. 

[Scott]

A post making accusations that participants are paid to protest has been removed along with a reply.  

 

Trolling is not permitted.  

[Orton Rd]

Being against Islamic terror and wanting to put your own people first is not ' far right' and why are groups smeared with the far right label anyway? but we never hear of the far left, actually they act more like the Nazi's they claim to be against.

[brewsterbudgen]

Being against Islamic terror and wanting to put your own people first is not ' far right' and why are groups smeared with the far right label anyway? but we never hear of the far left, actually they act more like the Nazi's they claim to be against.

Define "your own people".

[Ace of Pop]

That's easy enough A Black Man is Black , we'll try and work out what a White is,it's easy if your not a Liberall because then it's whatever you want it to be it justify your limp wrist point of views.


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[darksidedog]

I think the single most important fact in the whole argument is being totally misunderstood by many. We are in a time of growing multiculturalism, in pretty much every country around the world, and that is something no man has the power to change. It is just too big and too unstoppable. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. These people are now your neighbours, whether you like it or not. Recognise that, act like a true neighbour and stop trying to create divisions that are ultimately doomed to fail.

[Orton Rd]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Define "your own people".

Those not asylum seekers, illegals off the back of a lorry or Muslims.

[Ace of Pop]

I think the single most important fact in the whole argument is being totally misunderstood by many. We are in a time of growing multiculturalism, in pretty much every country around the world, and that is something no man has the power to change. It is just too big and too unstoppable. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. These people are now your neighbours, whether you like it or not. Recognise that, act like a true neighbour and stop trying to create divisions that are ultimately doomed to fail.

That's a nicely put post , but it's when you hear the nice fully integrated neighbor sounding off against Imegration it's time to think more.Or are they Raceist too .?


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[Orton Rd]

24 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

I think the single most important fact in the whole argument is being totally misunderstood by many. We are in a time of growing multiculturalism, in pretty much every country around the world, and that is something no man has the power to change. It is just too big and too unstoppable. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. These people are now your neighbours, whether you like it or not. Recognise that, act like a true neighbour and stop trying to create divisions that are ultimately doomed to fail.

But it's not working is it, even Angela Merkel admitted that. Many of  these neighbors follow a religion which instructs them not to make friends of the unbeliever and they follow an ideology which is completely incompatible with western values, so they do not integrate and live in their own worlds as separate as they can make it. Diversity is not strength it is a weakness when it comes to millions of Islamic incomers. Pity they cannot be more like Sikhs who are completely the opposite, they keep their own identity and integrate, Muslims do not and cannot. 

Edited June 25, 2017 by Orton Rd

[canuckamuck]

29 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

I think the single most important fact in the whole argument is being totally misunderstood by many. We are in a time of growing multiculturalism, in pretty much every country around the world, and that is something no man has the power to change. It is just too big and too unstoppable. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. These people are now your neighbours, whether you like it or not. Recognise that, act like a true neighbour and stop trying to create divisions that are ultimately doomed to fail.

Yes, people have to realize it's all over, civilization as you knew it is circling the drain. 

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Those not asylum seekers, illegals off the back of a lorry or Muslims.

So its against muslims. Thanks for the clarification.

[Orton Rd]

Not just them, I left my own town when it got to 70 mosques, that is not my idea of multiculturalism, more like cultural colonization and cultural suicide by the host

[darksidedog]

10 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

But it's not working is it, even Angela Merkel admitted that. Many of  these neighbors follow a religion which instructs them not to make friends of the unbeliever and they follow an ideology which is completely incompatible with western values, so they do not integrate and live in their own worlds as separate as they can make it. Diversity is not strength it is a weakness when it comes to millions of Islamic incomers. Pity they cannot be more like Sikhs who are completely the opposite, they keep their own identity and integrate, Muslims do not and cannot. 

My comment wasn't directed at any Nationality or Religious persuasion exclusively, it was directed at everybody. It is not just the Far Right that needs to accept that multi cultural communities are here to stay. All sides, that's Muslims, Christians, white people, brown people, every person regardless of race or creed, really has no long term options other than to make the best of the situation. The expression global village says it all. That is where we are and people need to recognise reality. Too many people complain that they don't get on with their neighbours, but in truth, make no effort to even try. My post was about understanding where we will be in 20, 50 or 100 years, recognising the inevitable and accepting hostility is an exercise in futility.

 

[Ace of Pop]

Let's just hope they Settle in Wenworth ,the ones who let em in never live with them I notice.Stange that..?


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[canuckamuck]

5 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

My comment wasn't directed at any Nationality or Religious persuasion exclusively, it was directed at everybody. It is not just the Far Right that needs to accept that multi cultural communities are here to stay. All sides, that's Muslims, Christians, white people, brown people, every person regardless of race or creed, really has no long term options other than to make the best of the situation. The expression global village says it all. That is where we are and people need to recognise reality. Too many people complain that they don't get on with their neighbours, but in truth, make no effort to even try. My post was about understanding where we will be in 20, 50 or 100 years, recognising the inevitable and accepting hostility is an exercise in futility.

 

This principal for aquariums is metaphoric for any community:

Before getting tempted to add whichever fish catches your fancy into your community tank—spare a thought for that word 'community'!

The fish have to be compatible with each other (read: co-exist peacefully). It is also important to check whether they have the same needs.

[Dave67]

ISIS are Islamic Fascists . Appeasement will fail to subdue them. A Lesson my country has learned before 

[canthai55]

All the different countries - crying about being invaded by asylum seekers, immigrants ...

 

Now they know what it was like for the 'Colonies' these exact same countries invaded in every continent on earth - save Antarctica. Enslaving the people, stealing the resources, setting up 'Governments' where the local people are not allowed to participate. Sound Familiar ?

 

And we all know how that worked out. You Reap what you Sow - or for an Eastern point of view - Karma

[darksidedog]

49 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

This principal for aquariums is metaphoric for any community:

Before getting tempted to add whichever fish catches your fancy into your community tank—spare a thought for that word 'community'!

The fish have to be compatible with each other (read: co-exist peacefully). It is also important to check whether they have the same needs.

Interesting analogy, though Humans are supposed to be smarter than fish. Fish act on base instincts, eat, swim way from danger, reproduce etc.

Those capable of cognitive thought should be capable of working their way through integration problems. The biggest hurdle I see is a failure by ALL sides to understand the inevitability of the future. Many UK Muslims have integrated to society well, while others have not. Many English people have made them feel welcome, while others have not. Those who have not yet accepted each other, or are even ready to try, are the very ones, from both sides, holding back the integration process. Their own rhetoric and failure to recognise they are sustaining the situation, is the problem.

Muslims have to integrate and need to be allowed and welcomed to do so. This will happen. Don't know when, but it will.

 

Edited June 25, 2017 by darksidedog

[Orton Rd]

Mr Murray on Multiculturalism and how it failed

 

 

[goldenbrwn1]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Define "your own people".

British law abiding residents. And also to make sure visiting/working non British law abiding citizens are living here safely. Now go spin that.

Edited June 25, 2017 by goldenbrwn1

[Lemonltr]

Post war the UK had boatloads of people coming from the Caribbean. Now they are very largely integrated and it now is usual to see brown mixed race people everywhere. Look at football teams and even Formula 1. I have seen groups of black, white and mixed race going off together often.

When the Muslims state that they will allow their offspring to date and marry non Muslims and then chose their religion themselves I will believe they want to integrate.

Until then I believe that their refusal is racist and that they are the ones  unwilling to integrate fully.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Lemonltr
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[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Muslims have to integrate and need to be allowed and welcomed to do so. This will happen. Don't know when, but it will.

No it won't !!!  The only ones that are friendly and integrate aren't classed as muslims, probably don't bother with religion like many indigenous people in society.  

[brewsterbudgen]

Those not asylum seekers, illegals off the back of a lorry or Muslims.

What about Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Jews?

[Dave67]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

What about Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Jews?

Anyone can stay as long as they dont incite or carry out terrorist attacks

[rwdrwdrwd]

25 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

Anyone can stay as long as they dont incite or carry out terrorist attacks

Guess we'll be throwing Darren Osbourne out soon then, once he's completed his sentence that is.

Edited June 25, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[brewsterbudgen]

British law abiding residents. And also to make sure visiting/working non British law abiding citizens are living here safely. Now go spin that.

Sounds good to me.

[rwdrwdrwd]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

No it won't !!!  The only ones that are friendly and integrate aren't classed as muslims, probably don't bother with religion like many indigenous people in society.  

 

What rubbish.. plenty of practicing muslims integrate well. They exist across all sections of society and have for decades.

Furthermore, plenty of 'indigenous' people (by which I suspect you mean 'white and not noticeably immigrant') don't integrate well with 'society'.

Edited June 25, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[Kwasaki]

23 minutes ago, rwdrwdrwd said:

 

What rubbish.. plenty of practicing muslims integrate well. They exist across all sections of society and have for decades.

Furthermore, plenty of 'indigenous' people (by which I suspect you mean 'white and not noticeably immigrant') don't integrate well with 'society'.

I don't really believe practicing muslims genuinely integrate and l stick by that.

They wouldn't being following their religion would they. 

[Belzybob]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

What about Hindus, Buddhists, Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Jews?

Buddhists are OK. Just a few of the monks are a problem. In fact its the clergy of all religions that are the real problem.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Belzybob
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