Largest crime rise in England and Wales for 10 years

[zyphodb]

I was thinking of the rise in theft not sex offences.....

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Dave67 said:

If it is a problem with Immigrants then why are police numbers going down and why do both sides of the fence allow continuous mass immigration. Similar reasons to most countries who keep the economy rolling using cheap labour. Usually, it's the working classes who suffer the consequence of that immigration. There is no reason other than the excuse of austerity why police numbers are going down and wages have been capped at 1%. They are making enough money from allowing Immigration so should be protecting those who suffer from a small minority of immigrants who are breaking the law.

Where has it been stated that the increase in crime is linked to immigration? Is this fact or just the pavlovian response of the Ukippers?

[Dave67]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Where has it been stated that the increase in crime is linked to immigration? Is this fact or just the pavlovian response of the Ukippers?

I said "If" its immigration in a response to many posts on this thread

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Dave67 said:

I said "If" its immigration in a response to many posts on this thread

Yes, this is a well worn path - one Alf Garnet type pops his head up with a couched suggestion of something that, at that point, is utter fantasy and within minutes it is repeated as fact by those who long for it to be true.

 

 

I suspect you are closer to the truth when you mentioned the cuts in policing. 

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by RuamRudy

[ilostmypassword]

 

This is from a Telegraph article published in January 2016.

Violent crime jumps 27 per cent in new figures released by the Office for National Statistics

 "Scotland Yard now has 800 unfilled detective posts, according to latest figures obtained by The Telegraph.

Over the past five years hundreds of experienced murder squad officers have been diverted to other roles, including historic sex abuse inquiries; the disappearance of Madeleine McCann; and phone hacking and payments to public officials. Scotland Yard’s specialist Trident squad, which dealt with gang killings, has also been disbanded."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12112024/Violent-crime-jumps-27-in-new-figures.html

 

Definitely it's the immigrants. Nothing at all to do with austerity.

[Kevbo]

2 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I would have thought it has more to do with benefit sanctions than immigrants, You stop the dole money of people that have nothing? what do you expect them to do? quietly starve to death or die of hypothermia if you do it in the winter??? 

 

While I agree that these sanctions cause hardship for some, how would that account for the rise in sex crimes ?

The less politically correct among us can see who the main perpetrators are, e.g unlicenced cab drivers from Somalia and Pakistan..

[348GTS]

26 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Where has it been stated that the increase in crime is linked to immigration? Is this fact or just the pavlovian response of the Ukippers?

 

I think  that seeing as it was a BBC article, had there been any reference to anything about race or immigration in the study, it would have been "conveniently left out" of the article so as not to "offend" anyone. Just saying....

[Dave67]

3 hours ago, CutiePi said:

Thailand ain't perfect by any stretch but the thought of being mugged or my house burgled doesn't enter my mind...when I'm in any major Western city it's never far from my mind.

If you come from inner city background you'd be accustom to violent crime. We have road rage in UK as in Thailand but in UK it usually doesn't result in violence apart from 1 notorious incident in the 90s.Thailand has many violent road rage incidents. I also find people are more polite where I come from "Thanks, mate" "Sorry mate" because being an <deleted> can get you into real trouble. There are exceptions of course but those people can be dealt with by the law. Thailand, on the other hand, is quite lawless and not many restrictions for being an <deleted> unless it's from another <deleted>.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Dave67

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Kevbo said:

While I agree that these sanctions cause hardship for some, how would that account for the rise in sex crimes ?

The less politically correct among us can see who the main perpetrators are, e.g unlicenced cab drivers from Somalia and Pakistan..

How about the big rise in people getting caught up in online child pornography; teenagers sexting; revenge porn and the general increase in libidinous behaviour in society as a whole, as our media pushes the boundaries of  what previously was considered to be decency on a daily basis? Or is it really all down to those immigrants?

[Dave67]

7 minutes ago, Kevbo said:

While I agree that these sanctions cause hardship for some, how would that account for the rise in sex crimes ?

The less politically correct among us can see who the main perpetrators are, e.g unlicenced cab drivers from Somalia and Pakistan..

That's the place where this lefty drifts to the right a bit, We have our fair share of serial killers, rapists, paedophiles most are loners because it is rightly viewed as unacceptable behavior. But it's the group thing that does me with this issue.

[ddavidovsky]

49 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Where has it been stated that the increase in crime is linked to immigration? Is this fact or just the pavlovian response of the Ukippers?

More like Bayesian inference.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, ddavidovsky said:

More like Bayesian inference.

Does that not require something more tangible than innate prejudice?

[ddavidovsky]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Does that not require something more tangible than innate prejudice?

Prejudice is also Bayesian inference. A perfectly valid scientific method. Ignore the truth in generalisations and you'll miss the point completely.

[Kinnock]

Interesting to suggest a direct link between reduced policing and increased crime.  That suggests people in the UK are natural born criminals just waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime?

 

How about Thailand where there's no effective, functional police force?  It's surprising there's not more crime in Thailand.

[Dave67]

4 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Interesting to suggest a direct link between reduced policing and increased crime.  That suggests people in the UK are natural born criminals just waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime?

 

How about Thailand where there's no effective, functional police force?  It's surprising there's not more crime in Thailand.

Well, obviously a policeman standing nearby will prevent somebody from committing a violent crime. They cannot be everywhere but more policemen would certainly help as the numbers seem to indicate

 

Thai Police are not proper police so their influence doesn't count for much

Edited July 21, 2017 by Dave67

[ilostmypassword]

 

5 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Interesting to suggest a direct link between reduced policing and increased crime.  That suggests people in the UK are natural born criminals just waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime?

 

How about Thailand where there's no effective, functional police force?  It's surprising there's not more crime in Thailand.

"Scotland Yard now has 800 unfilled detective posts, according to latest figures obtained by The Telegraph.

Over the past five years hundreds of experienced murder squad officers have been diverted to other roles, including historic sex abuse inquiries; the disappearance of Madeleine McCann; and phone hacking and payments to public officials. Scotland Yard’s specialist Trident squad, which dealt with gang killings, has also been disbanded."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12112024/Violent-crime-jumps-27-in-new-figures.html

[kannot]

4 hours ago, zyphodb said:

I would have thought it has more to do with benefit sanctions than immigrants, You stop the dole money of people that have nothing? what do you expect them to do? quietly starve to death or die of hypothermia if you do it in the winter??? 

 

could get off their  lazy <deleted> and find  some  work......shock  horror!

[swanny321]

  If you think the 'Age of Austerity' is over; you ain't seen nothing yet!

[jinners]

5 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Is there even the teeniest weeniest possibility that this increase in crime could be related to the recent influx of gentlemen from the African and Middle Eastern continents ? Statistics please !

forget any statistics making reference to ethnicity or arrival dates of perpetrators

 

[jinners]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

 

"Scotland Yard now has 800 unfilled detective posts, according to latest figures obtained by The Telegraph.

Over the past five years hundreds of experienced murder squad officers have been diverted to other roles, including historic sex abuse inquiries; the disappearance of Madeleine McCann; and phone hacking and payments to public officials. Scotland Yard’s specialist Trident squad, which dealt with gang killings, has also been disbanded."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12112024/Violent-crime-jumps-27-in-new-figures.html

yes, very misleading. Methinks there has been a surge of none native entries to the country along with over reporting on how much the cuts have done damage by the left wing BBC and MSM in general. Agreed though that direction to other none essential witch hunt type investigating has left the bread and butter crooks alone to get on with their business.

[Kevbo]

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

How about the big rise in people getting caught up in online child pornography; teenagers sexting; revenge porn and the general increase in libidinous behaviour in society as a whole, as our media pushes the boundaries of  what previously was considered to be decency on a daily basis? Or is it really all down to those immigrants?

No not all down to immigrants, although cyber sex crimes are the thin end of the wedge and admittedly unpleasant, and committed by a cross section of the community, the violent rapes committed by the aforementioned are particularly abhorrent, especially if knives are used to intimidate their victims

[ilostmypassword]

One thing this thread provides evidence of is that schools in the UK did a very poor job teaching mathematics. Let's take the 18 percent rise in violent crime. Immigrants account for roughly 13.5 percent of England and Wales'  population. This would mean that in the space of one year they would have had to increase their rate of crime by about 133%. And if you confine the increase in crime to Muslims that would amount to a 1 year increase of roughly 267 percent. That is laughably absurd.

And to the person who posted the comment about Bayesian suppositions. Those suppositions have to past the test of reasonableness. Clearly, in this case, such a supposition does not.

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, baboon said:

While simultaneously slashing police numbers and accuse them of "scaremongering"? But there's the Tories for you.

Oh, and I see the age for state pensions has just been raised to 68. Funny how that wasn't included in their manifesto of a few weeks ago...

 

Indeed.

 

Didn't the strong and stable Mrs. May tell the police they must "do more with less" when she cut their funds as Home Secretary?

 

To be fair, the increased pension age doesn't become effective for many years. And by then it will have increased again several times!

 

As for crime - don't worry Amber the hammer Rudd is on the job. She's going to ban delivery of knives ordered on the internet to private addresses. That'll solve that!

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Interesting to suggest a direct link between reduced policing and increased crime.  That suggests people in the UK are natural born criminals just waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime?

 

How about Thailand where there's no effective, functional police force?  It's surprising there's not more crime in Thailand.

 

Or perhaps it suggests that more crimes are successfully being committed by criminals as the chances off prevention and/or arrest have been diminished.

 

Unl

[Baerboxer]

34 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

One thing this thread provides evidence of is that schools in the UK did a very poor job teaching mathematics. Let's take the 18 percent rise in violent crime. Immigrants account for roughly 13.5 percent of England and Wales'  population. This would mean that in the space of one year they would have had to increase their rate of crime by about 133%. And if you confine the increase in crime to Muslims that would amount to a 1 year increase of roughly 267 percent. That is laughably absurd.

And to the person who posted the comment about Bayesian suppositions. Those suppositions have to past the test of reasonableness. Clearly, in this case, such a supposition does not.

 

Alas yes. I remember once someone stating that a certain local government leader cost the rate payers - x millions per year extra. Someone else quickly worked out how much that would approximate to per rate payer (how local government was funded at the time). Of course it was a nonsense claim.

 

Like blaming all of the crime increase on "immigration". Doesn't stack up mathematically. But as usual, a mixture of political agendas, media agendas, bias, convenience and play on xenophobia fuel reports which fuel people's opinions.

 

There has been a very visible influx of East European, (EU members and others) criminals into the UK. Prostitution, drugs, racketeering, - but little seems to be done about that. They aren't all illegal, nor are they Muslim, nor are they from Africa, the Middle East and they aren't refugees. But somehow it all seems easy to blame the latter.

 

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, jinners said:

forget any statistics making reference to ethnicity or arrival dates of perpetrators

 

'Cause the Police don't publish the stats, but ONS does e.g.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system

 

 

[Thongkorn]

8 hours ago, dundee48 said:

I have racked my brain but can`t think of any reason for this increase.

i can ,, Cut backs, Immigration, and meddling from the EU courts,

[Thongkorn]

8 hours ago, tonray said:

Apparently the only thing I accomplished was showing that some have lost their sense of humour ....

 As posted before, Most Tv posters have to have their sense of Humor extracted, to join  , and  not have a Father,

[tryasimight]

9 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Is there even the teeniest weeniest possibility that this increase in crime could be related to the recent influx of gentlemen from the African and Middle Eastern continents ? Statistics please !

They only mention crime increase in England and Wales.........perhaps the Scots are behind it? Never did trust blokes wearing skirts......hate beach road Pattaya too, thanks for asking.

[CharlieH]

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