SURVEY: Is a military strike against North Korea justified?

[Wilsonandson]

A million people will die if the U.S invades NK.

 

A million people will die if NK nukes Soeul or Tokyo.

[craigt3365]

9 minutes ago, retarius said:

Why can we not have some discussions between the US and NK?

Discussions have been going on with NK for decades with no results.

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Freedom of the press is a rarity in any country - but you stated:

 

"You wouldn't be having this conversation if you lived there."

 

And that is simply false.

Freedom of press isn't a rarity in any country.  Russia ranks 148 out of 180 countries.  Not very good.

 

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

 

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Stifling atmosphere for independent journalists

 

What with draconian laws and website blocking, the pressure on independent media has grown steadily since Vladimir Putin’s return to the Kremlin in 2012. Leading independent news outlets have either been brought under control or throttled out of existence. As TV channels continue to inundate viewers with propaganda, the climate has become increasingly oppressive for those who try to maintain quality journalism or question the new patriotic and neo-conservative.

 

 

[retarius]

I'm quite encouraged by the results. I had somehow formed the impression that many TVers had strong right wing and neocon views and would have favored an invasion right now.

[SpeakeasyThai]

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

A "mentally deranged"  president vs a "little rocket man" dictator who are both just itching to play with their nuke toys best to just put them both in a ring and let them slug it out.

 

Whatever happened to "make love not war" and "give peace a chance" 

It would be great to see these two in the ring but do you really think they would show up? We would see two no shows as they are both loud mouthed cowards who would rather see thousands/millions die instead of shedding a single drop of their own blood.

North Korea has no choice as Kim Ul Fat boy is a dictator who rules with fear over his people. You have to ask the question how on earth did Americans elect this Narcissistic ugly bully with small hands, ridiculous hair cut and abhorrant obtuse attutude?

Edited September 24, 2017 by SpeakeasyThai

[boomerangutang]

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

A "mentally deranged"  president vs a "little rocket man" dictator who are both just itching to play with their nuke toys best to just put them both in a ring and let them slug it out.

Whatever happened to "make love not war" and "give peace a chance" 

'Make Love, not War'   hmmmm, that would be interesting.  Lock Trump and Kim in a padded room, give them nothing but water and some 'spanish fly pills' (aphrodisiacs) and viagra, ....and let them have at it.  After awhile, there might be a couple of sore ass-h*les, but at least they'd be kept away from the red buttons .....and they may also be grinning.

[Sheryl]

I think the poll asks the wrong question.

 

The question is not is it justified - the question is, is it wise? Taking the geography and proximity of allied countries into account.

[RuamRudy]

13 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Freedom of press isn't a rarity in any country.  Russia ranks 148 out of 180 countries.  Not very good.

This is relative rather than absolute - but with the US at number 42, it has a long way to go too. That said, this is deflection - freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a thing in Russia, regardless.

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, pattayadon said:

555...They're ongoing. Where have you been?

No, not really.

 

They're both saying: you stop with provoking us, then we can talk. So no, there are no meaningful talks and have not been for quite some time now.

[stevenl]

19 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Discussions have been going on with NK for decades with no results.

Disagree, there have been no meaningful talks for a long time now. And both sides are to blame for that.

[SpeakeasyThai]

17 minutes ago, retarius said:

I'm quite encouraged by the results. I had somehow formed the impression that many TVers had strong right wing and neocon views and would have favored an invasion right now.

It's the weekend... no interest yet as the footy is on. Wait a few days for the idiot brigade to vent their well informed judgement.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This is relative rather than absolute - but with the US at number 42, it has a long way to go too. That said, this is deflection - freedom of thought and freedom of speech is a thing in Russia, regardless.

Of course this is a deflection, it has nothing to do with the topic nor with the post that was reacted to. Anything to make the USA look good.

[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Disagree, there have been no meaningful talks for a long time now. And both sides are to blame for that.

We'll agree to disagree.  There really have been no meaningful talks with NK ever.  They've never been serious about negotiating to stop their nuclear weapons research.  Never.

 

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course this is a deflection, it has nothing to do with the topic nor with the post that was reacted to. Anything to make the USA look good.

I believe the off topic deflection began with your post:

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China, Russia, Germany, Japan, all very stable. Just USA as a worldleader is not very stable.

Anything to make the US look bad.

[Media1]

Strike now or risk certain attack. His a Mad Man. Casualties are accepted to save millions more.

This rat has already launched on Japan basically.

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

We'll agree to disagree.  There really have been no meaningful talks with NK ever.  They've never been serious about negotiating to stop their nuclear weapons research.  Never.

 

I believe the off topic deflection began with your post:

Anything to make the US look bad.

Yes, we disagree on this, IMO you have a very one sided view.

 

Seems you missed the post I reacted to.

[Roger Harris]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

So who runs the military complex?  A name would be great. LOL.  We'll match it up with a name you provide for the person running the media. LOL  Nice conspiracy theory.

 

Sad commentary when you criticize your own country for trying to do the right thing.  Deal with country that's violated UN resolutions for years. 

 

Nobody wants war.  The world wants a denuclearized Korean peninsula

 

Well said,I agree

[mania]

This is the kind of sensationalized rhetoric that has brought the world to where it stands now.

 

Of course (the US) should not attack/Strike NK

I say US because that is the country I am a citizen of.

 

If he or any other country  attacks the US unprovoked?

Then, turn them to a sheet of glass.

Until then

 

Edited September 24, 2017 by mania

[LannaGuy]

56 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Freedom of press isn't a rarity in any country.  Russia ranks 148 out of 180 countries.  Not very good.

 

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

 

 

Can't you leave you anti-Russian BS for even one thread?  This thread is not about Russia, Freedom of Press or Putin and what you say is unsound and incorrect.      

[kingstonkid]

Talking and appeasing is what got us to this stage.

First Clinton made the mistake f giving him money

Bush tried sanctioning and talking

Obama just felt that if he left it alone it would go away.

 

North Korea never stopped fighting the Korean War.  That unfortunately is a fact.

 

The second fact that seems to have skipped the history lessons is that the reason that NK is strong is that the US and it's great leader Douglas screwed up.  The Korean conflict was initially about the 2 Koreas. and if MacArthur had not been an imperialistic <deleted> would have stayed that way.  Unfortunately he decided to go across the line into China's territory and brought them into it.

 

Since talking to the Kim family/dynasty has failed and he is just getting stronger more effective action must be taken.  Will lives be lost yes,

 

Russia has no dog in this fight, therefore, will stay the hell out of it.  China has a lot involved here but realizes that they are now a world leader and must act like it.  

 

There are a couple of solutions 

 

1. China puts together a team of Koreans to remove the Kim Dynasty (easier said than done)

2.  Kim provokes the UN into taking the same step they did in the 50's.  China man's its borders with all its military might to keep the NK out

The UN then takes it to NK and then cleans up.  The conversion as they call it would not be that difficult.  Think along the lines of the wall in Berlin coming down.  The worst case in this is that Kim hits the button and decides to take everyone with him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[craigt3365]

33 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, we disagree on this, IMO you have a very one sided view.

 

Seems you missed the post I reacted to.

And you have a one sided view also.  I saw the post you reacted to.

[craigt3365]

14 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

Can't you leave you anti-Russian BS for even one thread?  This thread is not about Russia, Freedom of Press or Putin and what you say is unsound and incorrect.      

I didn't start the off topic deflections.

[DavisH]

Kim can loudmouth all he wants knowing there will not be a nuclear strike against his country. China, S.K, Japan and Russia would be affected by any fallout. Isn't Seoul about 50 km from the border?

[Thaidream]

As an American, I am appalled at Trump's speech to the United Nations. The speech was bellicose and unbecoming for a head of State. It served no purpose to attack Kim and simply raised the rhetoric when he could have easily done the opposite. Everyone already knows America has the military power to destroy N Korea but at what price in other deaths and destruction.

 

Then we have Kim and his minion giving a speech that is as bellicose as Trump indicating a possible atmospheric nuclear test in the Pacific which will cause radioactive fallout which may affect some countries- totally irresponsible.  If Kim does this, the US may attack but I am hoping this would convince the Chinese and Russians to support a UN resolution to isolate N korea; a Worldwide Embargo and a United Nations Forces naval blockade of North Korea.

 

What everyone hopes for is a negotiation to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula in which Kim stops his missile program- China guarantees the North and the Us pulls back to Japan from Korea but guarantees the South. Trump needs to shut the hell up because nothing else needs to be said on the American side.

 

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

And you have a one sided view also.  I saw the post you reacted to.

Hmm, so looking at it from both sides and blaming both sides is one sided? You may have seen that post, so why say I was the one who went off topic.  Anyways, this is really off topic and a rhetorical question.

Edited September 24, 2017 by stevenl

[hawker9000]

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Both Trump and Kim skipped class the day their schools taught; 'Let Cool Heads Prevail.'

 

US right-wingers (by electing Trump) are already responsible for much added suffering (ww and nationally), ...yet they could also be unwitting parties to an unwarranted (and world's first) nuke war.

 

In the bigger picture, the Korean problems stem from over-population, as do the problems with mass migrations to Europe and the US, Rohinga problems, Middle East, etc etc, ad nauseum

 

 

Absolute, total rocking BS.  Boy statesman appeased and enabled this psychopath for 8 years, and THAT'S who we have to thank for this.   The situation actually NEEDS somebody showing some backbone to this guy, thought it might very well be too late.   If it is, thank boy statesman, not Trump.

 

As for the saner picture, and in contrast to the rest of the world (like everything else about the hermit kingdom...)  I DON'T really think N. Korea's problem is "over population".  LOL   No, fatboy with his starvation program and death camps does a pretty good job of keeping a tyrannical lid on that I'd have to say.  Imposition of deliberate food shortages in order to divert resources for illegal nuclear development + an outsized military, and "over-population", are NOT the same thing.  That's just sympathizer propaganda.  And not even very good propaganda.  If it weren't for his paranoid obsessions with the military and nuclear weapons, his people could be as well fed as just about any on the planet, as evidenced by his not-so-militant neighbor just to the south.

 

It's amazing how even a psycho homicidal maniac like fatboy finds defenders here on TV.  Just amazing.   You'd think it'd be at least a little humiliating, if not over-the-top bloodthirsty, to take such co-despotic positions. 

 

  

 

 

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

As an American, I am appalled at Trump's speech to the United Nations. The speech was bellicose and unbecoming for a head of State. It served no purpose to attack Kim and simply raised the rhetoric when he could have easily done the opposite. Everyone already knows America has the military power to destroy N Korea but at what price in other deaths and destruction.

 

Then we have Kim and his minion giving a speech that is as bellicose as Trump indicating a possible atmospheric nuclear test in the Pacific which will cause radioactive fallout which may affect some countries- totally irresponsible.  If Kim does this, the US may attack but I am hoping this would convince the Chinese and Russians to support a UN resolution to isolate N korea; a Worldwide Embargo and a United Nations Forces naval blockade of North Korea.

 

What everyone hopes for is a negotiation to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula in which Kim stops his missile program- China guarantees the North and the Us pulls back to Japan from Korea but guarantees the South. Trump needs to shut the hell up because nothing else needs to be said on the American side.

 

I'd pretty much guarantee if Kim stopped his nuclear weapons program, got rid of the thousands of weapons aimed at Seoul, and stopped incursions into SK, the US would seriously consider removing troops.

 

Trump is an absolute disgrace and is only making things worse.

[zydeco]

Any war in Korea will leave the north and south in smoking ruins. South Korea will be set back 65 years. The peninsula will become one giant morgue.

[jgarbo]

14 hours ago, Scott said:

Kim Jong Un has stated that he may detonate a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific Ocean.   In your opinion which of the above options best describes your position on military action against North Korea.  

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

 

So far KJU has said nothing more than the Americans have said in the past. Trump of course went further and threatened NK with obliteration (echoing US actions six decades ago). The rogue state here is the US, which fortunately is not run by the orange head fool but by pragmatists, who are letting their sock puppet yap at the UN while they steal Syrian oil.

The UN charade was cheap drama, about all that "august" bunch of layabout is good for.    

[craigt3365]

This is crazy to read:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/22/politics/donald-trump-north-korea-insults-timeline/index.html

 

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All the times President Trump has insulted North Korea

Back in May, President Donald Trump said he would be "honored" to meet with Kim Jong Un "under the right circumstances."

That seemingly positive sentiment toward the North Korean dictator was short-lived. Over the last few months, Trump has repeatedly used very blunt language when discussing the ongoing standoff with the nation

 

No matter what somebody like Trump says, it's not a good reason to bomb and kill innocent civilians.  Hopefully, Kim can rise above that and just ignore the buffoon.

 

As the childhood saying goes....sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Be a better person Kim, don't stoop to that (low) level.

 

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

So far KJU has said nothing more than the Americans have said in the past. Trump of course went further and threatened NK with obliteration (echoing US actions six decades ago). The rogue state here is the US, which fortunately is not run by the orange head fool but by pragmatists, who are letting their sock puppet yap at the UN while they steal Syrian oil.

The UN charade was cheap drama, about all that "august" bunch of layabout is good for.    

The Americans have produced videos of foreign cities being nuked and played them during national celebrations?  Ones showing heads of states in flames?  Really?  Please show me them.

 

Steal Syrian oil?  You're trolling.