New unedited footage shows British pensioner taking machete swipe at Thai man

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, Si Thea01 said:

I am sure you would be very angry but would you want to put your child through all that trauma and possibly be without a father for a very long time?  I think given the situation you would be a lot more rational than you suggest.

Very true, i can understand the anger, but if one can't control it, better stay at home and relax.

The old man lost it , i just hope he can afford to pay the price.

Anyway, it's not attempted murder , more like handbags.

[Si Thea01]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Very true, i can understand the anger, but if one can't control it, better stay at home and relax.

The old man lost it , i just hope he can afford to pay the price.

Anyway, it's not attempted murder , more like handbags.

I've had my say way back as to my thoughts on this matter so I will not raise them again but I have learnt to be like the three wise monkeys since I started living here full time. I have also learnt that you get idiots who want to make a 2nd, 3rd or even a 4th lane, I just give them a wide berth.

 

However, if they look like they're going to hit me, I give a couple of quick toots of the horn, most stop but if they don't I do and let them go.  I have been involved in a couple of accidents, Thai driver's have rear ended me and when I got out I could see the trepidation on their face when they realised they have hit a farang's car.  

 

It was not until I spoke to them, in Thai, that they relaxed and even more so when I simply said, Mai Pen Rai. And yes, I am an old geezer farang whilst they were in the late 20's, early 30's.  Never called the cops, just the insurance broker, everything was finalised within an hour and absolutely no drama.  But then these guys knew they were at fault and apologised. 

[mauGR1]

Well, i am afraid that we'll see more and more road rage in the next years.

I used to enjoy a ride or a drive some 10 yrs ago, but now there are just too many cars on the road.

Recently i was again enjoying driving at home country, many cars on the road but majority of the drivers adhere to the rules.

I think Thailand should acknowledge that road traffic has become a huge problem, still people buy cars and don't know how to drive safely.

[vukovar77]

On 10/16/2017 at 9:12 AM, catman20 said:

all this deporting shxt its like being at school with you lot., yes they were both wrong and they both should be punished. end of story 

Yes,both should be punished,but "farang" is much more guilty for attempting  murder and should be heavy punished with jail and after that deported.

[Peterw42]

33 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, i am afraid that we'll see more and more road rage in the next years.

I used to enjoy a ride or a drive some 10 yrs ago, but now there are just too many cars on the road.

Recently i was again enjoying driving at home country, many cars on the road but majority of the drivers adhere to the rules.

I think Thailand should acknowledge that road traffic has become a huge problem, still people buy cars and don't know how to drive safely.

I think we will see more road rage purely because there are more camera's to film it. 

Yes, more traffic will always mean more incidents.

[mauGR1]

11 minutes ago, vukovar77 said:

Yes,both should be punished,but "farang" is much more guilty for attempting  murder and should be heavy punished with jail and after that deported.

If the old man is guilty of attempted murder, then we can say the same of the young man.

..From my impartial point of view.

 

[amvet]

43 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

When the Thai coward started the whole altercation using his car he set the whole series of events in motion, so he has to take responsibility for everything that happened subsequently. 

 

I am sure he feels satisfied that he cowardly bashed an old farang that made him lose face, and cares not about the trauma he has caused to the children that witnessed the event.

 

A cowardly savage, that deserves all the ridicule available for his behaviour. 

 

Well done to the auld fella not taking any shit from these lawless ******* and sticking up for himself. Unfortunately he will now face the wrath of the Thais for not being a good foreigner and submitting to Thai 'superiority'.

 

I wonder if the farang had been a 6' 5" fit lad of the same age the Thai would have been so aggressive?

 

Somehow I very much doubt it.

Does a coward face a man with a machete with bare hands?  Somehow I very much doubt it.

[bazza73]

14 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Only a coward hits a 77 year old man in front of kids. 

I agree with you. However, not once in all these posts ( AFAIK ) has anyone pointed out the Thai guy had no way of knowing the guy's age.

Having said that, to me the cowardice lies in the blindside.

[amvet]

25 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Only a coward hits a 77 year old man in front of kids. 

I don't think coward is the right word.  First you have a man attacking another man one of which has a machete and one of which has bare hands.  Then you have a man hitting another man with his fist from his blind side.  The guy defending himself against a machete with his bare hands is not a coward.  The guy hitting a guy from the blind side is a jerk, unfair fighter or ahole or whatever you want to call him but I don't see cowardice coming into play unless he is not a coward for not worrying about the cop arresting him for assault. 

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

You have no idea why the farang did what he did, other than the picture of innocence you are trying to paint. Just as you have no idea as to why the Thai guy did what he did.

 

You can speculate and embelish all you like as to the farangs actions, "ITS your opinion" 

 

I could state that "clearly the farang left home with the intention of attacking a thai person". That would be a wildly speculative statement.

 

There have been statements in other threads by people who are acquainted with the farang, saying he has a quick temper and not surprising to see this guy involved in the incident.

 

There are as many interpretations and speculation as there are posters, most will base there opinions on causation, appropriate reaction, even the laws of physics. Thankfully most will leave out their preconceived notions and speculation.

 

Its very disappointing to see someone base there opinion, embellish the facts and try to influence the opinions of others, based on what appears to be blind prejudice, xenophobia and racism.

 

Yes, its showing

 

 

 

 

The problem is we all have a bias.  But a lot of the posters are basing their judgement on what they saw in all 3 videos. Many newcomers are basing it on a few photos, and mis-reported facts imo.

[mommysboy]

6 minutes ago, amvet said:

I don't think coward is the right word.  First you have a man attacking another man one of which has a machete and one of which has bare hands.  Then you have a man hitting another man with his fist from his blind side.  The guy defending himself against a machete with his bare hands is not a coward.  The guy hitting a guy from the blind side is a jerk, unfair fighter or ahole or whatever you want to call him but I don't see cowardice coming into play unless he is not a coward for not worrying about the cop arresting him for assault. 

In the first video I would say that the Thai is the initiator and aggressor.  You cant just jump in at a point somewhere along the way as if what happened previously doesn't matter.  We honestly don't know what was in the old guy's mind, and the argument that he was in total panic mode needing to protect himself is very plausible.

[Kadilo]

6 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

In the first video I would say that the Thai is the initiator and aggressor.  You cant just jump in at a point somewhere along the way as if what happened previously doesn't matter.  We honestly don't know what was in the old guy's mind, and the argument that he was in total panic mode needing to protect himself is very plausible.

It's plausible if you are looking for an excuse for his inexcusable actions. If you're not he was just out of control and is a generally angry person as has been reported by people that know him. 

[bazza73]

28 minutes ago, amvet said:

I don't think coward is the right word.  First you have a man attacking another man one of which has a machete and one of which has bare hands.  Then you have a man hitting another man with his fist from his blind side.  The guy defending himself against a machete with his bare hands is not a coward.  The guy hitting a guy from the blind side is a jerk, unfair fighter or ahole or whatever you want to call him but I don't see cowardice coming into play unless he is not a coward for not worrying about the cop arresting him for assault. 

The terminology has changed. It used to be called a kinghit,  although there was nothing royal about it.

Now it's called a coward punch, for very good reason. It's the act of a coward.

[HLover]

Come for the beaches and nice weather; stay for the self-imposed attempted murder charge.

 

This latest release of Dumb and Dumber, will be repeated; stay tuned. 

[Kadilo]

15 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The Thai is the initial aggressor, using his vehicle to collide with and then obstruct the auld fella's way.

 

He was looking for confrontation and he got it. 

 

If you can't see that from all three videos then there's no real hope for you. 

Bless you Father

[amvet]

21 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

No, first you have an aggressive 28yo Thai man driving in an aggressive and threatening manner, causing a collision and then preventing the auld fella from driving away.

 

Let's get it right here. 

Clearly no one behind the old fella as he gets out to get the machete (2.44).  He is not being prevented from driving away. Lets get it right here.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2017 by amvet

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, Kadilo said:

It's plausible if you are looking for an excuse for his inexcusable actions. If you're not he was just out of control and is a generally angry person as has been reported by people that know him. 

Yes, that may also be the case.  Or he could be on the verge of dementia.  But obviously you have a bias too and it sounds like you have made up your mind completely just by what is front of your eyes.

 

As an aside, there's a lot to be angry about

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Yes, that may also be the case.  Or he could be on the verge of dementia.  But obviously you have a bias too and it sounds like you have made up your mind completely just by what is front of your eyes.

 

As an aside, there's a lot to be angry about

I'm not sure I would call it a bias although I can see it may seem that way. I honestly believe that the old fellas behavior was appalling and if the two roles were reversed people on here would be looking at the "machete man" doing some serious time.  If he had show any kind  of humility I would have some kind of sympathy for him but from the reports on here he just lied and even the reporter on one suggested that his time spend with him was more than enough. 

 

On a personal note there are enough nutters on the road and this kind of road rage is the type I hope to avoid over here, from all races. Im not condoning the Thais punch, but I can understand why he was so angry. 

 

 

[mommysboy]

14 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

I'm not sure I would call it a bias although I can see it may seem that way. I honestly believe that the old fellas behavior was appalling and if the two roles were reversed people on here would be looking at the "machete man" doing some serious time.  If he had show any kind  of humility I would have some kind of sympathy for him but from the reports on here he just lied and even the reporter on one suggested that his time spend with him was more than enough. 

 

On a personal note there are enough nutters on the road and this kind of road rage is the type I hope to avoid over here, from all races. Im not condoning the Thais punch, but I can understand why he was so angry. 

 

 

Being circumspect, many of us called it 50/50 to begin with- battle of the idiots.  But when it transpired that the old guy was on an attempted murder charge, whereas the Thai was to be charged with assault, some explanations started to get more creative.

 

I just don't think it is attempted murder.

 

Probably had both been charged equally, this thread would not be raging on.

 

 

[greenchair]

He who starts trouble, is the instigator of everything that follows. If he didn't start it, the brit wouldn't have got out the machete, the punch wouldn't have happened. It all is a series of events caused by the Thai. 

Som nam na.

[amvet]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

He who starts trouble, is the instigator of everything that follows. If he didn't start it, the brit wouldn't have got out the machete, the punch wouldn't have happened. It all is a series of events caused by the Thai. 

Som nam na.

Since you made the claim it is incumbent upon you to prove it.  Your above statement has no basis in law in any country in the civilized world. 

[mauGR1]

 

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

He who starts trouble, is the instigator of everything that follows. If he didn't start it, the brit wouldn't have got out the machete, the punch wouldn't have happened. It all is a series of events caused by the Thai. 

Som nam na.

Since you made the claim it is incumbent upon you to prove it.  Your above statement has no basis in law in any country in the civilized world. 

 

Just watch the video.

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, amvet said:

Since you made the claim it is incumbent upon you to prove it.  Your above statement has no basis in law in any country in the civilized world. 

Perhaps you should watch the video again.

[Peterw42]

5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps you should watch the video again.

The video is edited, with a part missing just before the collision. Its not really conclusive.

Before the edit the farang is behind the thai, after the edit the Thai is overtaking the farang. 

[amvet]

27 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps you should watch the video again.

I posted it above after I watched it within the hour in HD.  The old guy had an escape route that he didn't take and he walked to the back of his car where there were no other cars and grabbed a machete and attacked a man in a car in front of him.  A judge is going to see the same thing.  If I was the old guy I'd get out of town.  I don't have a dog in this hunt.  I'm a 70 year old white expat.  If anything I'd be on the old fellas side. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by amvet

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, amvet said:

I posted it above after I watched it within the hour in HD.  The old guy had an escape route that he didn't take and he walked to the back of his car where there were no other cars and grabbed a machete and attacked a man in a car in front of him.  A judge is going to see the same thing.  If I was the old guy I'd get out of town. 

well, my impression is that Mr. Collins tried to get away a couple of times, eventually he lost it and grab the machete.

[amvet]

25 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

The video is edited, with a part missing just before the collision. Its not really conclusive.

Before the edit the farang is behind the thai, after the edit the Thai is overtaking the farang. 

Did the Thai guy go after the old man with a lethal weapon before the edit?  I think that is what the judge will ask. 

 

Anger has little to do with it.  Unless one is afraid for his life I doubt attacking with a machete is justified. 

[amvet]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

well, my impression is that Mr. Collins tried to get away a couple of times, eventually he lost it and grab the machete.

In the video there is a line of cars the old guy in the last one.  Nothing preventing him from backing up turning around and leaving.

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, amvet said:

In the video there is a line of cars the old guy in the last one.  Nothing preventing him from backing up turning around and leaving.

he was going to take his daughter at school

 

[greenchair]

9 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps you should watch the video again.

I think some people on here did not watch this video carefully more than once. I actually see the foreigner making attemps to leave the situation. He finally stops the car and gets that machete pronto. 

But in fact when he goes to threaten the Thai to leave him alone, in fact if looking carefully the Thai gets out the car and attacks him.