VocalNeal Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 34 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: ANYONE that offroads will tell you that torque is more important than HP Didn't Enzo Ferrari say "HP sells cars, torque wins races"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: they wouldn t be selling grey market raptors if there was no market for them. Ford Philippines sells Ford Expeditions and they are really just f150 station wagons. For its entire production life, the Ford Expedition has been derived from the corresponding generation of the Ford F-150 in production, sharing body and mechanical components. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Expedition I don't think you grasp the situation....Thailand has a huge protected motor industry...The Philippines don't. The local industry is tiny. THAI regulations put 300 % on the price of a vehicle imported into Thailand. As far as I'm aware the Philippines don't have the same level of duties. They also have hosted the US military for decades which.means that both US military and servicemen have been shipping US vehicles there duty free for decades. There is also a concomitant trade in servicing those vehicles and this means a residues of US vehicles and cheap imports the years. You are comparing apples and Lemons....you'd do better to look at Laos which has no motor industry and note the relatively wide range of vehicles on their roads. Edited February 11, 2018 by Airbagwill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: I don't think you grasp the situation....Thailand has a huget protected motor industry...The Philippines don't. It puts 3000 % to import such vehicles into Thailand. As far as I'm aware the Philippines don't have the same level of duties. They also have hosted the US military for decades which.means that both US military and servicemen have been shipping US vehicles there duty free for decades. There is also a concomitant trade in servicing those vehicles and this means a residues of US vehicles and cheap imports the years. You are comparing apples and Lemons....you'd do better to look at Laos which has no motor industry and note the relatively wide range of vehicles on their roads. I'm not sure I like the idea of you thinking about what I grasp. 555 as I grasp it at least twice a day. A poster stated that the f150 had a v8 engine and was too expensive for Thais to buy and too gas hungry. I suggested that other v8's are sold in Thailand as are many expensive vehicles. I further noted Ford sells large v8 engined vehicles in the Philippines despite that country being much poorer. I have been in both countries. I am aware that the Philippines drives on the same side of the road as USA and vehicles can and are imported directly from the USA. I am aware that there was a large military presence in Philippines and the populace speaks english so the manuals do not need to be translated. As you have quoted my posts 4 in a row now, I must start to worry what you are grasping as you post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: I'm not sure I like the idea of you thinking about what I grasp. 555 as I grasp it at least twice a day. A poster stated that the f150 had a v8 engine and was too expensive for Thais to buy and too gas hungry. I suggested that other v8's are sold in Thailand as are many expensive vehicles. I further noted Ford sells large v8 engined vehicles in the Philippines despite that country being much poorer. I have been in both countries. I am aware that the Philippines drives on the same side of the road as USA and vehicles can and are imported directly from the USA. I am aware that there was a large military presence in Philippines and the populace speaks english so the manuals do not need to be translated. As you have quoted my posts 4 in a row now, I must start to worry what you are grasping as you post QED...You really don't geddit. If You think that the side the wheel is on is important, you might want to take a look in a Thai assembly line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, isaanbanhou said: I'm not sure I like the idea of you thinking about what I grasp. 555 as I grasp it at least twice a day. A poster stated that the f150 had a v8 engine and was too expensive for Thais to buy and too gas hungry. I suggested that other v8's are sold in Thailand as are many expensive vehicles. I further noted Ford sells large v8 engined vehicles in the Philippines despite that country being much poorer. I have been in both countries. I am aware that the Philippines drives on the same side of the road as USA and vehicles can and are imported directly from the USA. I am aware that there was a large military presence in Philippines and the populace speaks english so the manuals do not need to be translated. As you have quoted my posts 4 in a row now, I must start to worry what you are grasping as you post QED...You really don't geddit. If You think that the side the wheel is on is important, you might want to take a look in a Thai assembly line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanbanhou Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: QED...You really don't geddit. If You think that the side the wheel is on is important, you might want to take a look in a Thai assembly line. 6 in a row....tough day to be a troll i guess. go back to dreaming about what i am grasping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 9 hours ago, speedtripler said: Is the new eco diesel raptor in the same category as a ferrari or a gt40? No, I'm making a comparison between a Ford and Ferrari, ie Le Mans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Not really, it is built for performance.....I think the idea of twin turbo and 10 speed box make it unsuitable for real long distance overland travel.I'd give up with thinking, if that's what pops into your head.Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said: I'd give up with thinking, if that's what pops into your head. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Bet you cant explain why! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxipeon Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I see the price 1M7, it's a joke? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 hours ago, maxipeon said: I see the price 1M7, it's a joke? This is incorrect (as shown on headlightmag.com). No price has been released. If we are lucky, we will know by the motor show in late March. I guess 17M is possible, but I'm guessing (hoping) it will be lower, as around 1.6M or less. I Ford are pushing to have it still taxed as a pickup, despite it having a rear coil setup. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) From past experiences I'm in the "wouldn't buy a Ford ever again" camp. Just for interest sake Jeremy Clarkson on the latest Grand Tour episode had high praise for the Raptor. I'm just the messenger Edited February 13, 2018 by Daffy D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just imagine buying one in LOS and getting an engine/induction ploblem sorted, especially after the guarantee has departed... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/11/2018 at 2:08 PM, kwak250 said: Wasnt that the v6 version? It was great to watch though Do Ford USA still offer a V8 in the Raptor? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxipeon Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, Daffy D said: From past experiences I'm in the "wouldn't buy a Ford ever again" camp. Just for interest sake Jeremy Clarkson on the latest Grand Tour episode had high praise for the Raptor. I'm just the messenger It was the F150 raptor. Totally not the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 23 hours ago, JaseTheBass said: I'd give up with thinking, if that's what pops into your head. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Plus the tenth gear with a 0.47 to 1 overdrive gear is the real giveaway to highway cruising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 If I had the cash this would be my choice, with that colour... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Be interesting to see road tests. Cadillac ATS, I believe, has to shift into 4th gear just before 60mph so adds something like 0.5 seconds to zero-60mph time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, transam said: If I had the cash this would be my choice, with that colour... Let's see it jump like the raptor in the demo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, speedtripler said: Let's see it jump like the raptor in the demo! Can I drive it........But, the Raptor has a very low first gear, 4.something to 1, your grannies ride will jump with that ratio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBJ Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The same engine from the Ford Transit van, is it not? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 hours ago, transam said: If I had the cash this would be my choice, with that colour... That's more like it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 If I had the cash this would be my choice, with that colour... *shudder*Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwak250 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 12 hours ago, maxipeon said: It was the F150 raptor. Totally not the same. Yes i dont think Clarkson would have enjoyed the little cRaptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, kwak250 said: Yes i dont think Clarkson would have enjoyed the little cRaptor Clarkson has been decommissioned iirc so he probably won't be able to air his views on this one Hes a petrol man anyway so I doubt anyone cares about what he thinks about new diesels anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DILLIGAD Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Clarkson has been decommissioned iirc so he probably won't be able to air his views on this one Hes a petrol man anyway so I doubt anyone cares about what he thinks about new diesels anywayTrue, plus they (diesels) are being taxed ‘out of the market’ in UK soon. [emoji636] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daffy D Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 9 hours ago, JaseTheBass said: *shudder* With excitement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxipeon Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 he liked the Tesla too so everything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 15 hours ago, Daffy D said: That's more like it I also want a tin of their polish... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwak250 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 8 hours ago, speedtripler said: Clarkson has been decommissioned iirc so he probably won't be able to air his views on this one Hes a petrol man anyway so I doubt anyone cares about what he thinks about new diesels anyway Vthats true enough and he did say he hates pick-ups but loved the F150 and it was very good viewing first episode that i enjoyed since Top gear ended with the 3 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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