Vaping -- Should it be legalized?

[Scott]

There was a recent thread about vaping, which could result in a 10 year prison sentence.   In your opinion, should vaping be legal in Thailand?

 

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[grumbleweed]

If and when the Thai Tobacco Monopoly get their act together and start producing the paraphernalia it'll doubtless become the best thing since sliced bread.

 

In the meantime enjoy our cigarettes

[Samui Bodoh]

Yes, it should be legal.

 

It is an alternative to smoking, and there is absolutely no good reason to ban anything which might lessen the evil effects of smoking tobacco.

 

Further, this is one of those truly idiotic laws that Thailand produces. There is little public knowledge (especially for visitors), HUGE fines and/or penalties, and waaaaaaay too much leeway given to law-enforcement officers to deal with the issue. Essentially, any time a person gets caught vaping, the police will say something along the lines of "it is a 100,000 Baht fine, but give me 2,000 and I will let you go."

 

The only reason that I can see for making vaping illegal is to benefit the tobacco monopoly.

 

And that is a terrible, terrible reason.

[HLover]

Definitely, maybe.

[Davedub]

Just for clarity on the health side of the issue, I'll repost this here: 

 

There are lots of inaccuracies and misconceptions about e-cigarettes and vaping. This UK government blog looks at the most common myths and provides the facts. This represents the latest comprehensive independent e-cigarette review, is authored by leading academics in the tobacco control field and is based on up-to-date international data and peer-reviewed research. Their view is supported by a number of key bodies, including Cancer Research UK, Action on Smoking and Health, the Royal College of Physicians, the British Medical Association and recently, a major US science body, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

 

The evidence is 100% clear - vaping saves lives.

 

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

[tukkytuktuk]

It would be great if they legalized marijuana as well. I'd buy that at the 7/11.

[madmitch]

10 minutes ago, Davedub said:

Just for clarity on the health side of the issue, I'll repost this here: 

 

There are lots of inaccuracies and misconceptions about e-cigarettes and vaping. This UK government blog looks at the most common myths and provides the facts. This represents the latest comprehensive independent e-cigarette review, is authored by leading academics in the tobacco control field and is based on up-to-date international data and peer-reviewed research. Their view is supported by a number of key bodies, including Cancer Research UK, Action on Smoking and Health, the Royal College of Physicians, the British Medical Association and recently, a major US science body, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

 

The evidence is 100% clear - vaping saves lives.

 

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

Maybe, but Somchai at the Thai Ministry of Health says the opposite, so who does the Thai Government believe?

 

The answer is whoever comes up with the person/body/bodies that comes up with the theory that suits them. In this case it's Somchai.

[mikebell]

27 minutes ago, Davedub said:

The evidence is 100% clear - vaping saves lives.

But there's no financial benefit in saving lives so The Cig Monopoly is perpetuated. 

[Juan B Tong]

Vaping is a great way to waste weed while saving your lungs.

[coulson]

If vaping is banned due to undetermined health implications, then cigarettes should also be banned for their known and verified health implications.

[samsensam]

1 hour ago, Davedub said:

Just for clarity on the health side of the issue, I'll repost this here: 

 

There are lots of inaccuracies and misconceptions about e-cigarettes and vaping. This UK government blog looks at the most common myths and provides the facts. This represents the latest comprehensive independent e-cigarette review, is authored by leading academics in the tobacco control field and is based on up-to-date international data and peer-reviewed research. Their view is supported by a number of key bodies, including Cancer Research UK, Action on Smoking and Health, the Royal College of Physicians, the British Medical Association and recently, a major US science body, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

 

The evidence is 100% clear - vaping saves lives.

 

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

 

yea, but that's uk vaping, not thai vaping.

 

farang not understand thailand.

 

[lamecn]

7/11 shops in the Philippines are selling E-cigarettes in packages looking similar to any other cigarette package. Aren't ASEAN about uniformity within the region?

[Ceruhe]

When you feel should feel insulted from a question, or rather, how can people not be ashamed for asking such a question.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, HLover said:

Definitely, maybe.

How sure is the 'definitely?'

[JAG]

I don't smoke (haven't for 20 years) and I don't "cape", so I am not particularly bothered, although I can see no reason for banning it while cigarettes are permitted.

 

My main hope would be that the "protocols" regarding smoking in proximity to others in public places, (when they are observed) apply to camping as well.

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, Davedub said:

Just for clarity on the health side of the issue, I'll repost this here: 

 

There are lots of inaccuracies and misconceptions about e-cigarettes and vaping. This UK government blog looks at the most common myths and provides the facts. This represents the latest comprehensive independent e-cigarette review, is authored by leading academics in the tobacco control field and is based on up-to-date international data and peer-reviewed research. Their view is supported by a number of key bodies, including Cancer Research UK, Action on Smoking and Health, the Royal College of Physicians, the British Medical Association and recently, a major US science body, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

 

The evidence is 100% clear - vaping saves lives.

 

https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/02/20/clearing-up-some-myths-around-e-cigarettes/

What a horrible nonsense. 

Look here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes

[sawadee1947]

The answer is here :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes

[Griffo63]

Keep it banned. Being around people who 'vape' is disgusting. They disperse huge  clouds of (sometimes flavored) vapor with no regard to those around them. Who knows what this vapor is - it's been ingested into their lungs and then released into the air. Are they spreading germs and infections ? Do we know - because they don't care .

[elgenon]

Only for weed.

 

Sounds like the American president wants to mandate a much lower nicotine level in tobacco cigarettes. Guess he wants to drive people to vaping. Wonder why.

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Griffo63 said:

Keep it banned. Being around people who 'vape' is disgusting. They disperse huge  clouds of (sometimes flavored) vapor with no regard to those around them. Who knows what this vapor is - it's been ingested into their lungs and then released into the air. Are they spreading germs and infections ? Do we know - because they don't care .

Yes, I agree with you, especially for some individuals exhaling ingested air should be banned, who knows what kind of germs their lungs have. I mean, judging from the comments, the disease must have spread to the brains already.

[Grumpy Duck]

Sure make it legal. But it place the same pictures showing effects of smoking as with cigarettes. 

It is true vaping doesn’t have the tar of tobacco but it does have addictive nicotine. 

It is my experience that making a substance illegal creates a desire to get it underground, which increases prices creating huge criminal organizations and causes more interest in young people by glamorizing it. 

[Kieran00001]

3 hours ago, lamecn said:

7/11 shops in the Philippines are selling E-cigarettes in packages looking similar to any other cigarette package. Aren't ASEAN about uniformity within the region?

 

The main purposes of ASEAN are to prevent wars and facilitate trade, uniformity of available merchandise, as far as I know, has never been on the cards for this or any other trade union.

[Surasak]

Talk about a nanny state. This is like all the old peoples homes with nanny and grandpa, all rolled into one.

[mommysboy]

Absolutely- this is crazy.

 

We have a substitute which is nearly harmless banned, while killer cigarettes remain openly promoted.

 

 

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, Griffo63 said:

Keep it banned. Being around people who 'vape' is disgusting. They disperse huge  clouds of (sometimes flavored) vapor with no regard to those around them. Who knows what this vapor is - it's been ingested into their lungs and then released into the air. Are they spreading germs and infections ? Do we know - because they don't care .

How do you as a non vaper/smoker find yourself constantly around these people?  Are the clouds huge then?  All of us breathe out large amounts of air that might contain germs.  The content of vape juice is known and is harmless.

[Davedub]

4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

What a horrible nonsense. 

Look here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes

The wikipedia article, whilst quite old, does raise some concerns. Nobody is saying vaping is 100% safe, the point is that it has been proven to be a far safer nicotine delivery system than smoking.

 

Note the bottom line of the wikipedia article: "There is a need to publicise the current best estimate that using EC is around 95% safer than smoking".

[terryofcrete]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

I don't smoke (haven't for 20 years) and I don't "cape", so I am not particularly bothered, although I can see no reason for banning it while cigarettes are permitted.

 

My main hope would be that the "protocols" regarding smoking in proximity to others in public places, (when they are observed) apply to camping as well.

I’m Batman...I “cape” every night ! 

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, Davedub said:

The wikipedia article, whilst quite old, does raise some concerns. Nobody is saying vaping is 100% safe, the point is that it has been proven to be a far safer nicotine delivery system than smoking.

 

Note the bottom line of the wikipedia article: "There is a need to publicise the current best estimate that using EC is around 95% safer than smoking".

I tend to stop trusting information when the word wikipedia is used. 

[sawadee1947]

38 minutes ago, Davedub said:

The wikipedia article, whilst quite old, does raise some concerns. Nobody is saying vaping is 100% safe, the point is that it has been proven to be a far safer nicotine delivery system than smoking.

 

Note the bottom line of the wikipedia article: "There is a need to publicise the current best estimate that using EC is around 95% safer than smoking".

Yeah and to live is 95% better than to die. You are still in kindergarten modus? ?

[sawadee1947]

45 minutes ago, Davedub said:

The wikipedia article, whilst quite old, does raise some concerns. Nobody is saying vaping is 100% safe, the point is that it has been proven to be a far safer nicotine delivery system than smoking.

 

Note the bottom line of the wikipedia article: "There is a need to publicise the current best estimate that using EC is around 95% safer than smoking".

Actually this wiki abstract is not outdated as there are always  updates,  last this month!!!