Blacklisted for overstay. Name change on passport

[anon789561]

1 hour ago, stravers said:

I overstayed 1 year and got a 10 year ban when caught. I had already made up my mind even before my deportation that after 15 years full time in Thai, I wanted a change. Now I'm in Philippines and love it. I feel very welcome. Can still go to Laos for my fill of authentic Thai and Issan foods. I can speak Thai there if I wish. Laos is also very welcoming but the visa on arrival is not free. I don't miss Thai.

sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you don't miss Thailand to me

[jenny2017]

3 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

I put the question back to you in the bigger context, would you be happy to suddenly learn that the person living in the next condo unit is a serious con man,  a mass murderer, a thug who has seriously beaten up many people because he liked violence, a child rapist, but he changed his name and got a new passport but no records are kept, meaning that this person has total freedom to move around, live next door. But he'll never be discovered because there are no records kept of change of identity?

 

Is that scenario OK with you? 

 

 

 

 

The OP overstayed his visa. Can't you read? 

[greenchair]

8 hours ago, sanemax said:

You are saying that if you get Blacklisted from Thailand, all you have to do to get off the Blacklist is too change your name and get a new passport and then you are no longer blacklisted ?

     

Dozens upon dozens of people have done it. 

It's in the papers quite often over the years. 

Immigration knows well about it. Technically, there's nothing illegal about it. The passport is legal, the name is legal, the visa is legal. It's kind of a bit of a conundrum. 

[mstevens]

11 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

They're using facial scanners.

They use cameras - yes - but is this connected to facial scanning software?  Is there any evidence to confirm that?  So while Thai Immigration would have an archive of photos of you from each time you have entered and exited the country, I don't believe that they are operating software that scans your features, links this to various databases and confirms (or otherwise) your identity.

Edited April 17, 2018 by mstevens

[greenchair]

8 hours ago, stravers said:

I overstayed 1 year and got a 10 year ban when caught. I had already made up my mind even before my deportation that after 15 years full time in Thai, I wanted a change. Now I'm in Philippines and love it. I feel very welcome. Can still go to Laos for my fill of authentic Thai and Issan foods. I can speak Thai there if I wish. Laos is also very welcoming but the visa on arrival is not free. I don't miss Thai.

If you are lurking around thai borders to eat and speak thai,odds are that when those 10 years are up you'll be right on back to thailand .??

[anon789561]

5 minutes ago, greenchair said:

If you are lurking around thai borders to eat and speak thai,odds are that when those 10 years are up you'll be right on back to thailand .??

"lurking around thai borders" 555555

[mstevens]

10 hours ago, Keithsbd said:

Appreciate the comments but everyone is moving away from my original question about getting back in if change name. Ive had all the lectures and info about new passport arrival dates, length of overstays and bans etc. Thats happened.  I cant change that.

I don't know if you will get a definitive answer on whether changing your name and returning to Thailand with a new name and passport will work or not.  But what I do imagine is that even if that did work that in time....might be a few years, or more be many more years.....eventually Thai Immigration will have systems in place that will detect the change of name (possibly from biometric data) that show you entered the country within the ban period under a changed name.  And if that does happen then it's certainly not beyond the bounds of possibility that such action could see you blacklisted from ever returning.  And while a ten year ban sounds bad, being blacklisted forever would be much worse.

 

Having a Thai wife in Thailand makes this a very difficult situation for you and I agree with the posters who have said that the best option might be to get your wife to your country.  That way everything would be legal and you would not be forever looking over your shoulder - because if you do return to Thailand with a new name / passport then I imagine that you're going to be looking over your shoulder until at least the ten year period lapses, if not forever - and that sure is no way to live / enjoy life.

[Suradit69]

12 hours ago, Happy enough said:

so that explains it a bit better than your original post

that will be almost impossible to overturn i think

you can try the name change but you know you're running a risk and you've taken risks before and know where you could end up

And if he changes his name how does he explain that to immigration if he wants an extension based on marriage to a Thai woman whose husband apparently is a farang with a different name?

[anon789561]

18 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

And if he changes his name how does he explain that to immigration if he wants an extension based on marriage to a Thai woman whose husband apparently is a farang with a different name?

why you asking me? i already advised him his best option is Laos. shouldn't you be asking him

[Mattd]

Trying to reenter Thailand after being banned from entry using a passport with a different name would be very risky for a number of reasons, upon arrival at the border control point the immigration officer will scan the passport and as the name would be new to the database it would then cross check the nationality against the date of birth and come up with all known males that match, the officer then can check the photos that are stored in the database for those known hits against the person in front of him, so there is a very good chance that it would come out then.

In the unlikely event that you were allowed in, then the problem of how to stay long term would come up, repeated entries increase the likely hood of getting caught.

As time goes on, the technology is getting better and it will not be that long in the future before Thailand will go to using the e-gates for foreigners, depending on what type of technology they opt for will limit the name change option as well.

The information contained in the biometric chip of a passport depends on the nationality, a British passport chip contains exactly the same information as is in the photo page.

[Mattd]

And it is a person who is banned or blacklisted, not a name!

[anon789561]

29 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Do you believe all OP’s?  Bhudda help you!  He also had to have been in Thailand for awhile to get a 20 year ban and JUST decided to join Thai Visa Forum.Oh my very interesting.  

as the OP pointed out what happened later in the thread and you can actually get the 10 year BL(he didn't get 20) in just over a year if caught. maybe he JUST decided to join Thai Visa because he just got blacklisted and now is asking for assistance. No rules to say you must join TVF if you move to Thailand as far as i am aware

[baansgr]

13 hours ago, Happy enough said:

so he is saying if he joins the foreign legion he can come back to thailand in 5 years instead of 10 as he'll have a new identity after 5 years

I think its a moot point, from recollection they stopped issuing new identities a few years back...although could be corrected on that

[greenchair]

30 minutes ago, Mattd said:

Trying to reenter Thailand after being banned from entry using a passport with a different name would be very risky for a number of reasons, upon arrival at the border control point the immigration officer will scan the passport and as the name would be new to the database it would then cross check the nationality against the date of birth and come up with all known males that match, the officer then can check the photos that are stored in the database for those known hits against the person in front of him, so there is a very good chance that it would come out then.

In the unlikely event that you were allowed in, then the problem of how to stay long term would come up, repeated entries increase the likely hood of getting caught.

As time goes on, the technology is getting better and it will not be that long in the future before Thailand will go to using the e-gates for foreigners, depending on what type of technology they opt for will limit the name change option as well.

The information contained in the biometric chip of a passport depends on the nationality, a British passport chip contains exactly the same information as is in the photo page.

I don't think the officer would have the brains required to do all you are suggesting. When he sees a new name, he will merely make the first entry into the computer of that name. You do realise how many hundreds of thousands of pictures and birth dates are recorded at suvaniphum airport every day don't you? 

You are correct. Everything on the chip is the same as the front page. Nothing more. 

[anon789561]

2 minutes ago, baansgr said:

I think its a moot point, from recollection they stopped issuing new identities a few years back...although could be corrected on that

i was pointing out what the original guy who said that meant as what he believed.i haven't a clue about the frog foreign legion and certainly couldn't suggest joining the bloody foreign legion for this bloke to avoid 5 years BL. i did find it a funny suggestion though

[overherebc]

2 hours ago, mstevens said:

They use cameras - yes - but is this connected to facial scanning software?  Is there any evidence to confirm that?  So while Thai Immigration would have an archive of photos of you from each time you have entered and exited the country, I don't believe that they are operating software that scans your features, links this to various databases and confirms (or otherwise) your identity.

They must do I've seen it in the movies. Only takes 3 seconds.

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[ubonjoe]

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[peterb17]

12 hours ago, sanemax said:

Thats not a very nice thing to say

Why ?

 

The guy screwed up.

 

The only way to live a reasonably stress free life here is to make sure you stick to the rules- simple things like making sure a driving licence, car tax etc. 

 

Then sticking absolutely to immigration requirements, making sure you know all the rules ( TV is excellent at giving advice ) , do not listen to bar stool advice.

 

DO not lose your passport ( invest in a large safe- not expensive )

 

Dont do stupid things such as drink driving. 

 

I think the OP will have to accept the consequences of his actions ( a lot of his story does not quite add up) 

[Tony125]

13 hours ago, Keithsbd said:

I thought this first. A few people said "oh change your name " making it sound easy but probably was a while back but dont think it is nowadays. The answers on here just confirmed my thoughts really that it wasnt easy to change name and get new passport, thought id just see what people thought. 

It has been reported before on this site that a dual national was banned for I think a year and cameback after a few months on a diferent passport. Had no problems getting back in. later he was recognised by people and was reported to immigration.  He was arrested for entering the country illegally and jailed. Reason , they told him  "you" are banned from Thailand not your passport. Makes no difference what passport or name you use  "you" are banned from being in the country.

[Time Traveller]

12 hours ago, saakura said:

Not sure, you could be right on a point of law. But on the visa application form, if he is asked about any previous names, or whether he has ever travelled to  Thailand before under a different name or passport, would you still advise that he should lie?

guess you've never applied for a Thai visa before.

[Old Croc]

9 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

It has been reported before on this site that a dual national was banned for I think a year and cameback after a few months on a diferent passport. Had no problems getting back in. later he was recognised by people and was reported to immigration.  He was arrested for entering the country illegally and jailed. Reason , they told him  "you" are banned from Thailand not your passport. Makes no difference what passport or name you use  "you" are banned from being in the country.

One of the few sensible posts.

You may hoodwink the system and gain entry, but it will always be an illegal entry under the circumstances outlined in the OP.

 

Too many geniuses here seem to think that a name change will make you a different person and all past misdeeds will be revoked. 

[Formaleins]

15 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

They're using facial scanners.

They work amazingly too.....NOT!

The UK Border agency use facial scanners / biometrics for all UK passports these days. I made a mistake sending an old passport photo when I renewed my passport from Thailand a couple of years back (The photo was rejected as being too old - Yes, I sent a 10 year photo with my new application that was already in my 10 year old passport - smart eh?)

Well, I couldn't get my digital photos to be quite the right size so I just stretched them in Photoshop, changed the background colour , printed them and sent them as replacments. Believe me, they look nothing like me, in the photos my head is stretched like an egg, yet they were accepted and worked fine at British Passport Control.

I simply think that the technology isn't there yet to do this facial recognition on a scale as large as an immigration entry point and so when the scanner cannot make the correct decision it probably defaults to having a Real Person check at the immigration checkpoint. As long as you have the same number of heads noses and eyes as you do in your passport and your skin colour is about the same, then as long as the photo is half recognizable, they will pass you through.

 

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, Formaleins said:

They work amazingly too.....NOT!

The UK Border agency use facial scanners / biometrics for all UK passports these days. I made a mistake sending an old passport photo when I renewed my passport from Thailand a couple of years back (The photo was rejected as being too old - Yes, I sent a 10 year photo with my new application that was already in my 10 year old passport - smart eh?)

Well, I couldn't get my digital photos to be quite the right size so I just stretched them in Photoshop, changed the background colour , printed them and sent them as replacments. Believe me, they look nothing like me, in the photos my head is stretched like an egg, yet they were accepted and worked fine at British Passport Control.

I simply think that the technology isn't there yet to do this facial recognition on a scale as large as an immigration entry point and so when the scanner cannot make the correct decision it probably defaults to having a Real Person check at the immigration checkpoint. As long as you have the same number of heads noses and eyes as you do in your passport and your skin colour is about the same, then as long as the photo is half recognizable, they will pass you through.

 

Not really true. We've got such a scanner at our school and you can't fool that damn thing. 

[Sprigger]

What makes you think you can move to Loas, your wife is not Laothian  even more difficult than Thailand to take up permanent residency. Just do the 10yrs and don’t be a cheap Charlie in the future if you can’t afford visa renewals and extensions should you really be here. No sympathy.

[Autonuaq]

16 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Risky since you will have the same nationality and date of birth.

Some countries also record change of name on the chip in passports now.

 Not only risky dum as well because you changed and try to enter by pretending you are someone else.

 

How many time is it that your read they found people and mention the people found are using an alias.

 

They have a name for it when you try do like this as well extra set of laws for that.

 

And photo recognition software picks you out easy as being the same person.

Google will do this Facebook and that is non specialist soft

 

 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Autonuaq

[Fruit Trader]

My wife's Cambodian workers know every trick in the book for sneaking back in after a ban. Name change has worked for many but its also landed a few with jail time because immigration apparently gets real upset when you cheat their system. Border check systems have improved over the years making the name change trick more risky.

[saakura]

1 hour ago, Time Traveller said:

guess you've never applied for a Thai visa before.

You are right. I had been on extension of stay for 20 years and now on PR.

[anon789561]

56 minutes ago, Sprigger said:

What makes you think you can move to Loas, your wife is not Laothian  even more difficult than Thailand to take up permanent residency. Just do the 10yrs and don’t be a cheap Charlie in the future if you can’t afford visa renewals and extensions should you really be here. No sympathy.

how thoroughly helpful

[jenny2017]

16 hours ago, Happy enough said:

so he is saying if he joins the foreign legion he can come back to thailand in 5 years instead of 10 as he'll have a new identity after 5 years

And he'll speak French!!

[jenny2017]

6 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

how thoroughly helpful

Sprigger wrote the post of the century. Helpful like explosive diarrhea in a taxi at rush hour.