Testosterone, steroids, etc.

[poanoi]

3 hours ago, ncc1701d said:

I was thinking the same thing, but having a hard on is one thing and wanting to use it - that’s libido 

ah, ok. steer clear from religious freaks and you should be fine

[mokwit]

10 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

Other than a minor skin condition, I save suffered no side effects from my home made Viagra, Anavar, and Test E implant.

 

I thought at first glance this was a TV evangelist caught en flagrante by undercover investigators.

Edited June 22, 2018 by mokwit

[robblok]

17 hours ago, Justfine said:

I thought you were American. 

NO 100% Dutch, not sure why you thought I was an American. 

[robblok]

14 hours ago, tropo said:

We are really discussing TRT here, so high dosing is not really the topic. Roid rage from high dosing is VERY common but on TRT levels it shouldn't be an issue.

 

I have never taken a recreational drug in my life - not a single one, and I'm also Dutch, but maybe that doesn't count because I wasn't born there LOL. Trust me on this - Australians are as much into it as any Western nationality.

Yes I don't think it should be an issue on TRT doses. You have more experience than me with roid rage as I have never experienced it myself or in a gym. BUT i worked out much of my time alone and not close to huge bodybuilders so I can't be 100% sure. But if its such a big thing why are there almost no gym fights (that is where all the users would be).

 

As for recreational drugs, I am sure you drink alcohol, classified as harddrug ?. Anyway not saying all Dutch people use drugs because that certainly is not true. But during my youth it was  quite common, weed, xtc, mushrooms never got really hooked to anything neither did my friends. 

[robblok]

14 hours ago, ncc1701d said:

I was thinking the same thing, but having a hard on is one thing and wanting to use it - that’s libido 

Yes viagra does nothing for libido, but they say TRT helps libido (never had libido problems). 

[Justfine]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

NO 100% Dutch, not sure why you thought I was an American. 

Bad guess

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, Justfine said:

Bad guess

Could be worse.. you could have thought i was either Belgian or German ?  (friendly rivalry between the Netherlands and those countries)

[robblok]

14 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

Other than a minor skin condition, I save suffered no side effects from my home made Viagra, Anavar, and Test E implant.

 

Looking at your body the anavar and Test E are not working.. but given how the ladies smile the viagra is working... or not and they are happy it did not work 555554

[Justfine]

10 minutes ago, robblok said:

Could be worse.. you could have thought i was either Belgian or German ?  (friendly rivalry between the Netherlands and those countries)

Enjoying the world cup?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Justfine said:

Enjoying the world cup?

Netherlands are not playing as far as I know, I am not really a soccer fan.. seen too much of it when i was young (forced as brother and dad loved it). So i kinda got an aversion against it. I would watch Holland vs Germany.. or Holland vs Belgium.. but that would be it. 

[Justfine]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Netherlands are not playing as far as I know, I am not really a soccer fan.. seen too much of it when i was young (forced as brother and dad loved it). So i kinda got an aversion against it. I would watch Holland vs Germany.. or Holland vs Belgium.. but that would be it. 

Yes they missed out. Looks good on news with highlights but whole games are boring.

[tropo]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes I don't think it should be an issue on TRT doses. You have more experience than me with roid rage as I have never experienced it myself or in a gym. BUT i worked out much of my time alone and not close to huge bodybuilders so I can't be 100% sure. But if its such a big thing why are there almost no gym fights (that is where all the users would be).

 

As for recreational drugs, I am sure you drink alcohol, classified as harddrug ?. Anyway not saying all Dutch people use drugs because that certainly is not true. But during my youth it was  quite common, weed, xtc, mushrooms never got really hooked to anything neither did my friends. 

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I have never had experience with roid rage. I noticed a slight elevation in aggression, which was minor, but noticeable. It was subtle, so it's quite possible you had it too but didn't notice at the time. It wasn't about experiencing it in the gym, but around town when people bugged me - like idiots on the road when out riding. They annoy me on any day, but they annoyed me a bit more than usual. It was quite controllable and not "rage".

 

I don't drink alcohol other than a very occasional glass of red wine. My comment was merely to suggest that drug use is no worse in The Netherlands than most Western countries. It's not about being Dutch.

[robblok]

Just now, tropo said:

I have never had experience with roid rage. I noticed a slight elevation in aggression, which was minor, but noticeable. It was subtle, so it's quite possible you had it too but didn't notice at the time. It wasn't about experiencing it in the gym, but around town when people bugged me - like idiots on the road when out riding. They annoy me on any day, but they annoyed me a bit more than usual. It was quite controllable and not "rage".

 

I don't drink alcohol other than a very occasional glass of red wine. My comment was merely to suggest that drug use is no worse in The Netherlands than most Western countries. It's not about being Dutch.

I think drug use in the Netherlands is not bad.. I mean we don't have much problems but there is a lot of drug use going on. Far more then people think and that kinda disproves the fact that everyone who uses drugs turns into an addict. But it was relatively safe to use drugs in the Netherlands far before it was that way in other countries. We were (past tense) a leader about weed, now we are surpassed by countries that made it totally legal. In the Netherlands it legal to buy the stuff (or you don't get prosecuted for it) but its still illegal for shops to buy the weed (so no legal suppliers and that is just crazy). We could even let our XTC tablets be tested to see if they were "relatively" safe. (containing MDMA not some poison). So in a way the Netherlands are far more liberal (in the past now the religious people are trying to make it hard again they had a swing vote in the coalition and exploited that like any other party would)

 

Ok maybe i never noticed it, but I don't get angry easy (i mean I do get angry but don't really express it or keep it long in my mind). I don't turn green and start smashing things when angry. I am not too bothered about people on the roads.. though the things you see. Saw a Thai guy on a MC get cut by a car.. Thai guy then started to cut the driver of the car and cursing trying to confront the car driver. I was driving behind the two of them. Nothing much happened... but it shows anger in traffic.

[Destiny1990]

So u guys are doing moderate doses of TRT without many side effects?

So example Nebido injections they say one shot can last 10-12 weeks is it true?

Then would bodybuilders  take such a shot every 4 weeks?

[faraday]

1 hour ago, Destiny1990 said:

So u guys are doing moderate doses of TRT without many side effects?

So example Nebido injections they say one shot can last 10-12 weeks is it true?

Then would bodybuilders  take such a shot every 4 weeks?

Different half - lifes.

 

The Testosterone is suspended in oil, so absorbed at a slower/faster rate.

 

I don't get any side effects from try, but I get regular blood tests.

 

 

 

 

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

Different half - lifes.

 

The Testosterone is suspended in oil, so absorbed at a slower/faster rate.

 

I don't get any side effects from try, but I get regular blood tests.

 

 

 

 

Whats try?

Yes nebido its mixed with Oil probably making skin even more oily.

[faraday]

Trt

No it doesn't make the skin more oily.

[Destiny1990]

2 hours ago, faraday said:

Trt

No it doesn't make the skin more oily.

So what are u taking then?

can u be more specific?

[faraday]

7 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

So what are u taking then?

can u be more specific?

Bayer Testoviron 250mg/1ml every 10 days.

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

Bayer Testoviron 250mg/1ml every 10 days.

Ok thank u and why u prefer that higher frequency over these longer lasting single T injections who last up to 10-12 weeks?

[faraday]

1 minute ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ok thank u and why u prefer that higher frequency over these longer lasting single T injections who last up to 10-12 weeks?

Cost & availability.

 

I'd prefer Nebido though.

 

Dosing so frequently, does get a bit tedious.

[Destiny1990]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

Cost & availability.

 

I'd prefer Nebido though.

 

Dosing so frequently, does get a bit tedious.

Yes my doctor told me that these longer lasting T shots deliver a more stable T level which is to prefer so i was wondering why u prefer another schedule.

Anyway txs for explaining?.

On the other hand my Doctor first choice of  TRT is daily Androgel  and secondly Nebido

[Justfine]

I have no idea about these drugs.

[robblok]

16 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

So u guys are doing moderate doses of TRT without many side effects?

So example Nebido injections they say one shot can last 10-12 weeks is it true?

Then would bodybuilders  take such a shot every 4 weeks?

Yes different half lives, I would say with such long half live the difference of test in the blood would be to great 10-12 weeks.. wow far to long. Bodybuilders inject weekly or more often (depending on the product)

[mokwit]

4 minutes ago, Justfine said:

I have no idea about these drugs.

If anyone is looking for a recommendation for a TRT specialist I would recommend Dr Tim Lopez at Maximum Performance Wellness Centre, Pattaya and Suk. Soi 23 BKK. I am not under TRT directed by him but went to see him basically just to get some clarification on some things. Other than that I have no connection.

Edited June 23, 2018 by mokwit

[faraday]

16 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Yes my doctor told me that these longer lasting T shots deliver a more stable T level which is to prefer so i was wondering why u prefer another schedule.

Anyway txs for explaining?.

On the other hand my Doctor first choice of  TRT is daily Androgel  and secondly Nebido

Yes, most Doctors will prescribe Androgel first, but it's messy having to apply it each day.

[robblok]

1 hour ago, Destiny1990 said:

Ok thank u and why u prefer that higher frequency over these longer lasting single T injections who last up to 10-12 weeks?

Blood test levels are not stable DR should go back to school, maybe after a few injects (3 or so so 36 weeks later) your blood levels will be more stable.  Below an image of how test levels will go in your blood with Nebido.

 

More regular injects with a product of a shorter half live will give far better stable blood values. I got the impression someone does not understand half life that well. 

[faraday]

Nebido website.

 

https://www.nebido.com/en/hcp/

[robblok]

8 minutes ago, mokwit said:

If anyone is looking for a recommendation for a TRT specialist I would recommend Dr Tim Lopez at Maximum Performance Wellness Centre, Pattaya and Suk. Soi 23 BKK. I am not under TRT directed by him but went to see him basically just to get some clarification on some things. Other than that I have no connection.

Going to a specialist is always a good thing to get things cleared up.. I hope he is a real expert (not that I pretend to be one). But anyone saying that long half life is good and produces stable test values should really re educate himself. It MIGHT be so that after many injects the half lives of different injection times combine and give a stable blood value. But given that it takes over 10 weeks between injects it might take a real long time for stable blood values with Nebido. 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, faraday said:

Cost & availability.

 

I'd prefer Nebido though.

 

Dosing so frequently, does get a bit tedious.

I get my GF to do it.. i lie back and let her do it.. One tip dont argue or piss her off before inject ?

 

Seriously I don't even care anymore about it, its not a fun feeling but can't say its painful either.