Must Read Trump backs down, orders end to family separations at U.S. border

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

With a well garded wall , there wouldn't be illegal immigrants .

Build that wall ! Trump 2020 .

If the Mediterranean Sea can’t stop migrants, neither will a wall.

 

Ask the Chinese, walls don’t work.

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, Wanderer555 said:

What solution do you suggest to humanely reduce illegal immigration into the United States, including protecting these people from exploitation, human trafficking, rape and/or murder as they make the long dangerous and illegal journey from Central America?

There follows a very interesting article from the NZ Herald newspaper...………please read it.

 

 "The greatness of a country can be measured by the manner in which it provides for the most vulnerable among its people, especially the children born into poverty.

When it comes to those who request asylum of a country — safety from persecution — there exists a special obligation recognised under international law, to treat such claimants and their families with particular discretion.

Instead of following international norms and the better parts of its own history, US President Trump has ordered the detention of refugee asylum seekers arriving at its Mexican border, criminally charging them for illegal entry, and separating them from their children. Since May 2500 children have been removed from parents.

The legitimacy of asylum claims can be open to question. However, these immigrants subject to family separation are not economic migrants, nor, unlike in Europe, are they a threat of returned ISIS fighters.

They're not coming directly from Mexico, which has seen a net negative migration since 2014. Rather, these families are coming from Central America, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, where they're trying to escape social disorder and drug-related gang violence.
The governments of those countries bear ultimate responsibility for the chaos, but the United States has also made a significant contribution.

The over-zealous anti-communism of Kissinger along with Ronald Reagan permitted the atrocities of the 1980s and the conversion of drug thug "Contras" into saintly "freedom fighters" in the spirit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Those "friends" have forced ordinary citizens to flee their home countries, and — along with their children, — trek 1000 miles of Mexico in the hope of safety in "the promised land", Reagan's "City On A Hill."

Trump, sensing a coming firestorm of disapproval, seeks to reassure his flock by claiming falsely that he is the victim of policies created by Democrats.

In fact, he could end this disgrace with a few strokes of his shark's teeth signature.

Meantime, he is enabled by his Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, who unashamedly chooses the biblical verse Romans:13, 1-7 to defend obedience to authority and thus rationalise the inhumanity of the policy with a Pauline doctrine often used in the past to defend slavery.

The actual architect of this evil is Trump's senior political adviser, Stephen Miller.
Miller, who also authored the first Muslim ban, wrote the "Zero Tolerance" policy that authorises Sessions' agents to arrest and detain asylum seekers for their illegal entry, contrary to international law.

The parents' detention leaves the children "unaccompanied aliens" and subject to removal to foster care or wherever. It's designed to deter asylum seekers.

As if insufficient ironies exist herein, Stephen Miller is the grandson of Jews who fled persecution in Tsarist Russia to come to the US in the early 20th century. Those forbears would be turning over in their graves at this travesty of justice coming from their descendant's hand.

The moral imperative posed by the barbarism of Trump's family separation policy is clear cut. Some major religious groups are meeting it by their condemnation.

The US Council of Catholic Bishops has strongly urged reversal of the policy as has the Reform Jewish Confederation. Even some evangelicals like Trump supporter Franklin Graham, have spoken out against it. Significantly silent have been those right-wing groups, Catholic and protestant, calling themselves Right-to-Life or Family Research Council, or Focus On Family.

These latter groups, staunchly anti-abortion and anti-gay rights have appropriated the words "family values" to lend credence to their causes. Those words ring hollow in the present crisis".

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Wanderer555 said:

I agree that the rhetoric by some on right is not helpful, just as the speech and actions of some on the left are not helpful.  While we work towards improving communication between the two strongly opposed groups, what happens to the illegal immigration problem that is directly addressed in the article and which you refer to in your original post?
Which over 2,000 children separated from their parents at the border between May 5 and June 9, this is not a problem that is easily solved.... What is your solution?
 

Your question assumes we agree that ‘illegal immigrantion’ is a significant problem.

 

I take the view demonizing immigrants has lead directly to children caged in concentration camps.

 

Unless an American is a direct descendent of a  First Nation family and only of a First Nation family then it is almost certain their forefathers arrived in America either as an immigrant looking for a better life or as a slave.

 

The American Dream, freedom, a chance to work for a better life.

 

That’s what’s drawing immigrants to the US.

 

I trust you are not wanting to join those who wish to restrict the American dream to those immigrants who arrived first?!

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

What a buffoon.

 

"It's the Democrats fault."

 

"It's the law."

 

"My hands are tied."

 

"I can't do anything."

 

 

 

To be fair, regarding your last point, trump does appear incapable of doing anything that could be seen as vaguely presidential...

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, jackh said:

To be perfectly clear, these laws were passed by Clinton. No liberals objected to them. Obama did not care in 8 years to change them and instead passed them onto Trump. Trump had nothing to do but actually enforce the law.

 

Now Trump has actually tried to temporary stop them via executive order. But still he is the bad guy. Trump haters will always hate, no matter what great things Trump does for this country. So be it. Real Americans could care less about all the liberal haters.

 

Liberal meltdown is a disgrace to America and they won't be satisfied until the US becomes a socialist country.

 

Guess what....ain't NEVER going to happen.

 

Real Americans? Is that some sort of secret language for white men? Color hating folks, who think the past was unbelievably great? When American prospects were HUUUGGGE? Careful with jingoistic nonsense language please. Especially when you have not devoted five minutes of your own intellect, to the consideration of what they mean. Explain your version of real American to me. I am an American, but I guess I am fake, since:

 

1. I do object to kids being locked up in cages, away from their folks.

2. I think American industry invites, and wants illegal immigrants to work for them (surprise, surprise).

3. I think it is ridiculous to talk about illegal immigration if you are incapable or unwilling to discuss reform of the legal immigration system, which is dysfunctional and completely broken. Nobody touches that one.

4. I think protecting public lands and having respect, rather than disdain for nature, is a GOOD thing. 

5. I think that a woman should have the right to decide what to do with her body, and be able to choose abortion, when she is unwilling to care for the child (the last thing in the world this planet needs is another child).

6. I believe that long held alliances and treaties deserve respect. Same applies to foreign leaders. And I believe showing animosity toward close allies, while coddling dictators is just bad policy, or the ample demonstration of no policy. 

7. The state department needs to be bolstered and protected, not decimated. Those 40 plus ambassadorships, that remain vacant need to be filled quickly.

8. I believe the last thing we need right now is more division and hatred. 

9. Free trade is a positive thing for the US economy. Trade wars are infantile, unnecessary, and could result in a significant slowing down of the American and world economy, which would be the end of the Trump era. 

10. The NFL is completely within it's right to demonstrate in whatever way it sees fit. Alot of white men in the US have a very hard time accepting the problem between law enforcement and people of color. It is real. And I am sympathetic, even though I have law enforcement people in my family. I am hopeful that every last player, black or white, stays in the locker room, the entire time the national anthem is played this entire season. That would sure send a message to brain dead, jingoistic, false patriot men like Trump and the NFL owners. Prior to WWII, standing for the national anthem was not even required. It was something dreamed up by the War Department, to create a sense of patriotism. Not standing now is not a sign of disrespect for the flag, the military or the nation. It is a prerogative. Claiming otherwise is nationalism. And it is fake, it is not patriotism. If anything, it is the opposite of patriotism. Have you ever fought for your country? Do not confuse the two, as Trump has.  It is remarkable how the people who claim disrespect for the military the loudest, are often the cowards who were too afraid to serve, when they were called upon, by their nation. Trump got five deferments to serve. That makes him a coward, and disqualifies him morally, from engaging in this discussion. Many military men feel differently than this clown:

 

 

"I can tell you, speaking for three generations of my family, it is PRECISELY for men like Kaepernick, and his right to peacefully protest injustice, that we were willing to serve," saidMichael Sands, a Green Beret who is the son of a World War II veteran and father of an Army officer who served in Afghanistan. "Want to respect the American flag? Then respect the ideals for which it stands. Bullying language and calling peaceful protesters 'sons of bitches' who should be fired aren't among them."

 

"If you think he's disrespecting veterans or America, he's not. He is peacefully protesting, making people feel uncomfortable, and bringing press to an issue we should have already been aware of."

 

Where is the outrage about the Iraq War? Where is our Chilcot [the UK investigation into the war]?" 

"If these people truly gave a s--- about us veterans they would've kicked down the doors on the Capitol and demanded a real inquiry into the deaths at the [Department of Veterans Affairs] and the insane number of veterans committing suicide."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/veterans-colin-kaepernick-2016-9

 

 

Navy veteran Jeff Dyche said on Twitter: "If you think I joined the #USNavy so NFL football players can kneel in protest of racial injustice, you would be correct. #TakeTheKnee."

 

Jeffrey Correa, an Air Force veteran, said: "I'm a #veteran and I'm proud to have fought for your right to #TakeTheKnee. A flag and an anthem are meaningless without values behind them."

 

David Chasteen, a soldier, said, "Served in combat multiple times. I never did anything as brave as #takeaknee Nor as likely to fulfill the promise of 'justice for all.'"

 

http://www.newsweek.com/military-veteran-kneeling-nfl-national-anthem-670341

 

I admit. I do not buy into his nonsense. Not on any level. Not for a nanosecond. I am a New Yorker. I knew who he was 35 years ago. Once a fraudulent criminal, always a criminal. 

 

So, I guess I am not a real American?

 

 

[mtls2005]

"It's all about things make Trump feel"

 

 

[neeray]

5 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

So firstly this lying SOB (Presidentially used term) is outed for that last 3 days of blatant lies to the American people, stating he was powerless to do anything and blaming Democrats. Now he says the whole family will be detained together until legal proceedings are complete (which could be many months or even years). Court cases will start flying today putting a restraining order on the DOJ and DHS as you cannot detain a child beyond 20 days. The Kidnapper in Chief must be throwing mental tantrums in the hate House this evening (how spooky, my spellchecker threw in 'hate' instead of 'white' - must be divine intervention, I had better leave it!).

 

Trump, Kidnapper in Chief,  MAGA my ar_se. 

 

Mueller will jail this SOB and there will be no pardon by Pence or he will be jailed also.

 

Before any Trump supporter names me as a 'Trump Hater", I am immensely proud to state that  - yes, I belong to that particular cross-section of humanity that as of today will number in the billions across the world. It took Islam 2000 years to get a following of over a billion people, Trump has managed to get a group of people that out number that by at least two fold,  all sharing the same feeling in less than a year.

Count me "in" with your group please. I like your piece. I'm wearing my flack jacket; I belong to the same "cross section of humanity"

[Morch]

1 hour ago, wayned said:

1250 miles of the border between the US and Mexico is the Rio Grande River.  Please tell me how they are going to build the wall.  It can't be built on the Mexican side., and the resources for both agriculture and recreation are used by both countries so if it is built on the US side the US citizens would not have access.  So the only option is to build it down the center of the river.  I think that would be quite and engineering feat!

 

http://www.christojeanneclaude.net/projects/the-london-mastaba

 

Of course, there would still be the issue of diving under the "wall".

That would be a perfect scenario for Thailand to unload them unnecessary submarines.

[spidermike007]

48 minutes ago, xylophone said:

There follows a very interesting article from the NZ Herald newspaper...………please read it.

 

 "The greatness of a country can be measured by the manner in which it provides for the most vulnerable among its people, especially the children born into poverty.

 

 

When it comes to those who request asylum of a country — safety from persecution — there exists a special obligation recognised under international law, to treat such claimants and their families with particular discretion.

 

Instead of following international norms and the better parts of its own history, US President Trump has ordered the detention of refugee asylum seekers arriving at its Mexican border, criminally charging them for illegal entry, and separating them from their children. Since May 2500 children have been removed from parents.

 

The legitimacy of asylum claims can be open to question. However, these immigrants subject to family separation are not economic migrants, nor, unlike in Europe, are they a threat of returned ISIS fighters.

 

They're not coming directly from Mexico, which has seen a net negative migration since 2014. Rather, these families are coming from Central America, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, where they're trying to escape social disorder and drug-related gang violence.
The governments of those countries bear ultimate responsibility for the chaos, but the United States has also made a significant contribution.

 

The over-zealous anti-communism of Kissinger along with Ronald Reagan permitted the atrocities of the 1980s and the conversion of drug thug "Contras" into saintly "freedom fighters" in the spirit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

 

Those "friends" have forced ordinary citizens to flee their home countries, and — along with their children, — trek 1000 miles of Mexico in the hope of safety in "the promised land", Reagan's "City On A Hill."

 

Trump, sensing a coming firestorm of disapproval, seeks to reassure his flock by claiming falsely that he is the victim of policies created by Democrats.

 

In fact, he could end this disgrace with a few strokes of his shark's teeth signature.

 

Meantime, he is enabled by his Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, who unashamedly chooses the biblical verse Romans:13, 1-7 to defend obedience to authority and thus rationalise the inhumanity of the policy with a Pauline doctrine often used in the past to defend slavery.

 

The actual architect of this evil is Trump's senior political adviser, Stephen Miller.
Miller, who also authored the first Muslim ban, wrote the "Zero Tolerance" policy that authorises Sessions' agents to arrest and detain asylum seekers for their illegal entry, contrary to international law.

 

The parents' detention leaves the children "unaccompanied aliens" and subject to removal to foster care or wherever. It's designed to deter asylum seekers.

 

As if insufficient ironies exist herein, Stephen Miller is the grandson of Jews who fled persecution in Tsarist Russia to come to the US in the early 20th century. Those forbears would be turning over in their graves at this travesty of justice coming from their descendant's hand.

 

The moral imperative posed by the barbarism of Trump's family separation policy is clear cut. Some major religious groups are meeting it by their condemnation.

 

The US Council of Catholic Bishops has strongly urged reversal of the policy as has the Reform Jewish Confederation. Even some evangelicals like Trump supporter Franklin Graham, have spoken out against it. Significantly silent have been those right-wing groups, Catholic and protestant, calling themselves Right-to-Life or Family Research Council, or Focus On Family.

 

These latter groups, staunchly anti-abortion and anti-gay rights have appropriated the words "family values" to lend credence to their causes. Those words ring hollow in the present crisis".

 

 

 

Great article. These are men who would quote anything, do anything, harm anyone, steal from anyone, oppress anyone, or attempt to disgrace anyone who got in the way of their objectives. There is not one nanogram of integrity in the entire administration, and barely a shred of humanity remaining, in the entire house and senate. American politics has descended to a new low, that it may never recover from. 

 

Captain Chaos has not only re-populated the swamp with his own brand of whores, such as Mnuchin, Ross, Sanders, Kelly, Navarro, Pruitt, Haley, And Pence, but he has reinvented the way American politics operates, and hijacked the Republican party in the process. A party that used to have ideals, and some grace and willingness to work with others, across the aisle. 

 

There is no doubt in my mind, that Trump has no limits on where he would go. His thirst for power, plus an utter lack of morality, ethics, compassion, trustworthiness, and dependability, combined with a ruthless hatred of man, especially those that are not rich and white, intolerance, racism, bigotry, misogyny, and lack of judgment, make him the most dangerous man in the world, at this point in time. I have little doubt about the extent of where this man would be willing to take the nation. And it is NOT moving forward. Does Himmler come to mind? If given a chance?

[mtls2005]

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Captain Chaos

 

More like Captain Queeg.

 

Hopefully, he'll have a similar courtroom experience.

 

 

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, Wanderer555 said:

What solution do you suggest to humanely reduce illegal immigration

Currently do not block entry into US ports of entry to those people who want to apply for asylum legally. The border agents have been instructed by Sessions to only allow those people with visas in hand (which a refugee wouldn't have) or there was “no room” to process them at the port of entry, and they should come back later when there might be room. There never was room.

 

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, immigrants within the U.S. who tell immigration officials they’re afraid to return to their countries have the right to request asylum and to be immediately processed. They are not supposed to be turned back at bridges.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylum-central-america/

 

Reminds me of the story of a young family in the Middle East seeking refuge being told 'there's no room in the inn.' Ended up in an animal manger. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/jesus-was-a-refugee/

Modern day denied refugees end up in the Rio Grande River and the border deserts.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Srikcir said:

Currently do not block entry into US ports of entry to those people who want to apply for asylum legally. The border agents have been instructed by Sessions to only allow those people with visas in hand (which a refugee wouldn't have) or there was “no room” to process them at the port of entry, and they should come back later when there might be room. There never was room.

 

Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, immigrants within the U.S. who tell immigration officials they’re afraid to return to their countries have the right to request asylum and to be immediately processed. They are not supposed to be turned back at bridges.

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/16/immigration-border-asylum-central-america/

 

Reminds me of the story of a young family in the Middle East seeking refuge being told 'there's no room in the inn.' Ended up in an animal manger. https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/jesus-was-a-refugee/

Modern day denied refugees end up in the Rio Grande River and the border deserts.

Excellent post.

[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Reminds me of the story of a young family in the Middle East seeking refuge being told 'there's no room in the inn.' Ended up in an animal manger.

 

Jeff Sessions was probably there to defend the Inn manager.

 

After castigating the young woman for becoming pregnant under "mysterious" circumstances.

[mtls2005]

Full text: Trump’s executive order ending family separations

 

President Donald Trump’s executive order: Affording Congress an Opportunity to Address Family Separation

Issued on: June 20, 2018

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., it is hereby ordered as follows:

.

.

.

 

interesting section...

 

(c) The Secretary of Defense shall take all legally available measures to provide to the Secretary, upon request, any existing facilities available for the housing and care of alien families, and shall construct such facilities if necessary and consistent with law. The Secretary, to the extent permitted by law, shall be responsible for reimbursement for the use of these facilities.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/20/full-text-trump-executive-order-family-separations-transcript-658639

 

 

Please don't call these Internment Camps.

 

 

[mtls2005]

The new "Normal".

 

Report: Justice Department Wants Military Lawyers for Prosecutions at Southern Border

 

The Justice Department has reportedly asked the Pentagon to send active-duty military lawyers to the southern border for prosecutions of migrants who enter the United States illegally. MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow reported on Wednesday that the lawyers would serve six-month “shifts” and would act as special assistant U.S. attorneys. Maddow also said the Pentagon agreed to send the lawyers, known as JAGs.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/report-justice-department-wants-military-lawyers-for-prosecutions-at-southern-border

[mtls2005]

 

The Trump administration misspelled “separation” in an executive order on family separation

 

As initially published, the order addressed family “seperation.”

The Trump administration released its highly anticipated executive order on family separation Wednesday afternoon. And in the grand tradition of many Trump White House documents, something wasn’t quite right.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/20/17485518/trump-family-separation-executive-order-immigration-typo

 

[oldrunner]

President of the United State, Donald F. Trump gets screwed if he does and double screwed if he doesn't. Can't win in our screwed up USA Society.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, oldrunner said:

President of the United State, Donald F. Trump gets screwed if he does and double screwed if he doesn't. Can't win in our screwed up USA Society.

 

He can’t get away with caging kids!

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, oldrunner said:

President of the United State, Donald F. Trump gets screwed if he does and double screwed if he doesn't. Can't win in our screwed up USA Society.

 

 

Yes, tRump is clearly the "victim" here.

 

If you do something stoopid you should get screwed. If you reverse the stoopidity, and blame everyone else you deserve to be double-screwed.

 

Not exactly challenging to comprehend?

 

 

 

 

[Thaidream]

 

The New Zealand article as well as Spidermikes post really hits the mark and the full truth.  Not only are children being separated but  US Immigration refuses to even tell the mother/father where their children are and the children have no idea where their parents are.

 

What will eventually happen is if the parents are deported- the children will go into temporary foster care and a judge will set a custody hearing.  Since the parents have been deported-there is no way to attend the hearing and make their case.  The children then end  up in permanent foster care; the parents lose all rights and the children go up for adoption. It has happened before and will happen again.

 

Some of us complain about the Thai Immigration bureaucracy. Thank the Lord- none of us are involved in the Us Immigration circus.  And Trump has made it even more heartless  than it ever was.

 

I grew up in America- my grandparents came from Europe as immigrants and built a life in America.  In today's America- they wouldn't be allowed to stay.  I served in the US military but this is not the America I went to war for. Most Americans realize that Trump does not represent American values and at the first opportunity- this narcissistic SOB will be sent to the scrap head of History.

 

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

To be fair, regarding your last point, trump does appear incapable of doing anything that could be seen as vaguely presidential...

 

Well he does seem to use Air Force One and the Marine One helicopter rather a lot and that is presidential, sort of.

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

More like Captain Queeg.

 

Hopefully, he'll have a similar courtroom experience.

 

 

 

Thank you for that. (Going slightly off topic. What a great actor he was.) 

[Brigante7]

It’s going to be fun to see kids chained to their parents instead of being in a safe enviroment where they are fed, clothed, educated andrecieve any medical attention they may need but hey ho, atleast the loony left can’t spout any more of their bullshit fake crap using photo’s from 4 years ago. 

 

 

 

Brigante7.

[mtls2005]

11 minutes ago, Brigante7 said:

It’s going to be fun to see kids chained to their parents instead of being in a safe enviroment where they are fed, clothed, educated andrecieve any medical attention they may need

 

Where is this "safe environment"?

 

Sounds like Laura Ingraham's "Summer Camp"?

 

Or are you suggesting we re-open Detention Site Green in Udon Thani?

 

 

[dunroaming]

6 hours ago, jackh said:

Now Trump has actually tried to temporary stop them via executive order. But still he is the bad guy. Trump haters will always hate, no matter what great things Trump does for this country. So be it. Real Americans could care less about all the liberal haters.

Trump backed down because of overwhelming condemnation from both Americans, a great many being republicans, and world wide pressure.  Not to mention his own wife!

 

Are they all Trump haters?  Yes they are and they count as millions across the world, rising every single day. 

[jb61]

Newsweek, May 30, 2018

OBAMA HELD MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SHELTERS COMPARED TO TRUMP WHITE HOUSE

BY CHANTAL DA SILVA ON 5/30/18 AT 10:26 AM

 

Newsweek: 5/30/18

Department of Health and Human Services'(HHS) Administration for Children and Families spokesperson Kenneth Wolfe told Newsweek on Wednesday that it had as many as 10,852 undocumented children in its custody—a significant jump from the 8,886 that were in the agency's custody on April 29, according to the Washington Post. spokesman for HHS’s Administration for Children and Families told

In fiscal year 2013, under the Barack Obama administration, the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) had as many as 25,000 unaccompanied children in its care across 80 shelters, according to a July 2014 article in Mother Jones.

 

 

Obama Held More Than Double the Number of Children in Shelters Compared to Trump White House

Newsweek Europe

 30/05/2018

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/obama-administration-placed-children-with-human-traffickers-report-says/2016/01/28/

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/19/flashback-obama-admin-placed-border-children-human/

Thanks to an Obama loophole allowing minors to ask for amnesty, in the past 10 years the increase in minors seeking amnesty has increased 1,700 %. At present, of the 12,000 minors being detained, only 2,000 came with their parents.

 

Finally, the law is being enforced.

[sirineou]

when my daughter was about 5 years old we were shopping at the supermarket in the US. I was looking for something  and when I turned around she was gone, I looked for her and could not find her for what felt like an eternity but was probably a minute, My heart was palpitating, I was in a panic. Then I found her safe, and the relief I felt was unbelievable. 

   Anyone supporting seperating children from their parents was either never a parent, or a very bad one.

[BuaBS]

6 hours ago, Guitar God said:

Trump is not against putting children in cages, he’s only backing down because of the negative publicity. 

 

I call bullshit in claiming Clinton’s policies, this didn’t happen until Trump took office. 

 

Trump’s a horrible, vile person who will do as much evil as he can until he’s called out and forced to stop. 

 

Its like Laura Ingram only apologizing after he advertisers start pulling out. 

She didn’t change her mind, she was just effected negatively by it and forced to change for financial reasons. 

 

Trump wouldn’t be continuing if it wasn’t for the outrage. 

 

 

 

What did you say about Clinton ?

Edited June 21, 2018 by BuaBS

[BuaBS]

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If the Mediterranean Sea can’t stop migrants, neither will a wall.

 

Ask the Chinese, walls don’t work.

A well garded wall ,with non lethal weapons as deterent will.

[Andaman Al]

Call me old fashioned, but after an epiphany whilst grabbing an afternoon nap, what will really make America great again..................lighting the beacon on Lady Liberty and allowing those in the world who believe America to be the greatest country on Earth to enter its dominions and make it great again. There are millions of people willing to work hard, for low wages, who are industrious and would be so grateful to be able to give their children the chance to live the American dream. People that could repopulate the devastated  towns and city's full of abandoned property. People willing to work in the farming and manufacturing jobs that the redneck 'stay at home' Trump supporters don't want to do.

 

It was this very process that made America great in the middle of the 20th century. Your country is only great, when people believe it is great and want to join the community. When you turn your back on the people you inspire to make thousand mile treacherous journey's with children, you are not great, you are not christian you are pitiful. Imagine all the taxes and spending power that these people would create, imagine what the manufacturing industries could do...it could match China's labour costs (and the workers would be happy), and of course, any bad folks you kick them out and jail them just like you would any other US citizen. Open the door to hard working families, MAGA. Maybe Trump needs an afternoon nap.

[Andaman Al]

10 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

A well garded wall ,with non lethal weapons as deterent will.

How many guards do you need per mile? x 4 to cover 365/24/7  (3 shifts plus one on leave, holiday, sick). You would need a literal army of workers willing to work at very low cost. Where would you find them?   wait a minute....how about you create an army of guards from the people who want to enter the country and work for ultra low wages. Recruit the people at the border entry points and give them all jobs guarding the wall!