Rising water hamper efforts to rescue boys missing in Chiang Rai cave

[sanemax]

38 minutes ago, travelling wilbury said:

The navy seals say they cant go in due to water in the cave 

 

Stop making things up, they never said that 

[travelling wilbury]

Just now, sanemax said:

Stop making things up, they never said that 

You didnt watch the tv this evening then

[sanemax]

Just now, travelling wilbury said:

You didnt watch the tv this evening then

You didnt play the saxophone yesterday 

[travelling wilbury]

Just now, travelling wilbury said:

You didnt watch the tv this evening then

The phrase was " we cannot go in till the water has been removed "

[wcoast]

Thanks, I was under the impression that there was an exit just beyond Pattaya beach, possibly it is or is a dead end. Early reports said they found a possible entry point.

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[travelling wilbury]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

You didnt play the saxophone yesterday 

No i left it back in u.k.

[SABloke]

3 hours ago, AlphMichaels said:

I've done cave dives in Florida and Mexico before and they're intense.  I'm guessing the local guys they've pulled in have ZERO experience.  Compact masks, "short stiffs", safety reels, and stage markers.  You get into small spaces where you can barely fit-push through tank and gear (especially staged tanks), you get spooked.   

 

Guessing these guys have never done this before and time is running out.  

 

This cave and every other in country should be closed every rainy season without hesitation.  

 

All my hopes for a successful end result.

Did you dive 7km plus caves back in Florida? It seems to me many people on this forum have forgotten how far 100m underground is...let alone pockets of water over a 7 - 10km length. 

[josephbloggs]

19 minutes ago, Bangkok Ape said:

Standard Thai bashing going on from the usual barstool engineers and cave rescue experts typically based in Pattaya, Thailand.

 

 

Yep.  As sad as it is predictable.

[yrag]

still praying for their recovery,,,,,

[chickenslegs]

10 minutes ago, travelling wilbury said:

Im sure there is plenty of talk going on 

As there should be.

Things need to be discussed and advice sought. Rash actions can be disastrous.

It's not all talk either. People are searching the dense forest to find other entrances that can be enlarged. It's a massive job. They found 3 already and there may be others.

Rescuers inside the caves are also looking for smaller passages that can be enlarged to gain access to other chambers.

I believe I read that the main cave is 7km long - but if you add all the other passages, potholes and small chambers, theres probably dozens of km to be explored.

Regarding the divers. I feel sure that they are mostly "action men" like yourself. Hopefully, they have somebody level-headed in charge, assessing the dangers, looking out for them, and keeping a correct balance between risk and reward.

[travelling wilbury]

8 minutes ago, SABloke said:

Did you dive 7km plus caves back in Florida? It seems to me many people on this forum have forgotten how far 100m underground is...let alone pockets of water over a 7 - 10km length. 

Not fun i will admit but needs must now

[wcoast]

Seriously, some of you guys should crawl back into your own caves. There's plenty of reason for hope in this situation. Too bad the same can't be said for you.

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[overherebc]

Just to say that an Gold medal winner can reach about 2 metres a second in a pool. A flow through a cave passage can reach much higher speeds depending on many factors.

Diving totally blind in fast flowing muddy water takes more courage than the combined courage of 50 bar-stool Thai bashers.

[bristolgeoff]

hope it ends well for everybody.i have never being to the caves  but i would imagine it would be a well used path if they wanted to explore the caves

[Russell17au]

9 minutes ago, SABloke said:

Did you dive 7km plus caves back in Florida? It seems to me many people on this forum have forgotten how far 100m underground is...let alone pockets of water over a 7 - 10km length. 

I have, but not in Florida, in NSW just south of Newcastle when all the underground coal mines were still operating. The rescue squad I was with had 8 underground coal mines in the area and we worked with the Mines Rescue Squad and as an ex-navy clearance diver I was asked to train some of the others for doing flooded mines rescue, which I did. On the 28th December 1989 at about 10:30 the ground moved and 10 minutes later the emergency alarms at a couple of the mines sounded and we were required to do flooded mines rescue. Newcastle had been hit by an earthquake and we had several mines that had shafts that went out to sea and number 3 shaft at Wallarah Colliery flooded with a crew of 7 working at the head. that shaft was 400metres below sea level and the coal face was 9 kilometres from the pithead. In other rescues we did many times these cave divers would come and try to butt there frames in and it got that way we had them removed by the police, they were a pain in the a**s and it was all ego for them.

I will not criticise these divers because I know what is involved and I just wish that the mines rescue squad was still operating in NSW because they would have come and helped.

[travelling wilbury]

24 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Diving totally blind in fast flowing muddy water takes more courage than the combined courage of 50 bar-stool Thai bashers.

 That is what seperates the professional divers from the scoobydoos  

  The pros do work like that everyday 

[neeray]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

US sending disaster relief specialists and sailors from Hawaii to join search for footballers trapped in flooded Tham Luang cave, says supreme commander. /Bangkok Post sms

It's about freaking time. Hope not too late.

[Russell17au]

2 minutes ago, neeray said:

It's about freaking time. Hope not too late.

Someone posted a couple of days ago that the Swedes had sent their navy seals and yesterday someone posted that the British have sent a team, but there are no reports of either of these teams arriving, there is that much false reporting and posting going on here it is hard to know what is true and what is false

[JAZZDOG]

1 hour ago, travelling wilbury said:

The navy seals say they cant go in due to water in the cave 

...never met a seal cannot swim before

Seal Team 6 would swim through vomit and turds to find those boys. Call them in NOW.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, travelling wilbury said:

You didnt watch the tv this evening then

[Artisi]

19 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

Someone posted a couple of days ago that the Swedes had sent their navy seals and yesterday someone posted that the British have sent a team, but there are no reports of either of these teams arriving, there is that much false reporting and posting going on here it is hard to know what is true and what is false

Normal, after a few more years here you will come to understand. 

[bannork]

27 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

Someone posted a couple of days ago that the Swedes had sent their navy seals and yesterday someone posted that the British have sent a team, but there are no reports of either of these teams arriving, there is that much false reporting and posting going on here it is hard to know what is true and what is false

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

[neeray]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

Agreed. And now it is posted that the Americans are sending a team.

[Russell17au]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

The posts before were that the Swedish Navy Seal team had been sent on board a Swedish Air Force aircraft, that was posted 3 days ago plus another post from yesterday was that the British Navy had sent a diving team and neither of these teams have arrived yet.

[JAZZDOG]

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

Ain't exactly Seal Team 6

 

[chickenslegs]

20 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

The posts before were that the Swedish Navy Seal team had been sent on board a Swedish Air Force aircraft, that was posted 3 days ago plus another post from yesterday was that the British Navy had sent a diving team and neither of these teams have arrived yet.

It's getting very difficult to sort out the facts from the rumours.

I have been following the news as far as possible and heard no more mention of the Swedish team.

The arrival of 3 UK experts at Swampy was reported by The Nation but with no information about who they are or what is their area of expertise.

Looking at the photo, we can be sure that they are not all divers (if any). My wife has been helping me keep up with the Thai language news reports and she says the Brits have special equipment to find earthquake victims under tons of rubble - seems plausible.

[GBW]

13 hours ago, johng said:

Why does the map show the cave at "Pattaya Beach" ? ?

maybe because that part of  the cave has a nice white sandy beach, is family friendly and is renowned for its amazing marine and wild life? 

Now you nit wit, I do hope you can concentrate  on the task at hand,  rescuing 14 souls ! 

[JAZZDOG]

So sad

[DefaultName]

51 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

It's getting very difficult to sort out the facts from the rumours.

I have been following the news as far as possible and heard no more mention of the Swedish team.

The arrival of 3 UK experts at Swampy was reported by The Nation but with no information about who they are or what is their area of expertise.

Looking at the photo, we can be sure that they are not all divers (if any). My wife has been helping me keep up with the Thai language news reports and she says the Brits have special equipment to find earthquake victims under tons of rubble - seems plausible.

Apparently, they're all experienced cave divers and have dived that cave before.  www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

[chickenslegs]

2 minutes ago, DefaultName said:

Apparently, they're all experienced cave divers and have dived that cave before.  www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747

Thank you for that. Previous reports didn't give that information.

Your link wasn't working for me, so here it is again for anyone interested.

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30348747