Rescuers about to reach 'Pattaya Beach' chamber of Tham Luang Cave

[NCC1701A]

https://twitter.com/iSmuffin/status/1013733758757789696

 

SUMMARY OF THE Press Conference 

1 all 13 ppl have yet to be found

2 we havent reached Pattaya beach yet

3 we havent seen any signs like the rumors said

4 we plan to drill the cave from above but no confirmation if we’ll find them immediately

5 forgive what we can forgive

#ถ้ำหลวง #thamluang

[africasiaeuro]

Me and my thoughts again. Wdf 8 days before they organize a 130? It took a long long time for the Thais to get going. Too long for a rescue op. Now it's up to the Farung teams to get clarity. 8 days ! God help those guys. Even if all is well they will always suffer from trauma for the rest of their lives, understood. No one confined in a place like this for 8 days can be without after effects.

God be with them or Buddha whatever your choice. 

Read if you can german readers.

 

[KiwiKiwi]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Really? Could you survive for over a week with no food or water in what for most of the time would be total darkness, and with having no way of tracking time?

 

Maybe right. Personally, I would expect a crowd of tired (just played football and cycled a fair way), lean and young kids not to survive more than 4 or 5 days in those conditions, even with drinkable water.. PhuketSarah would probably know more and could probably provide a better narrative.

 

I personally doubt they were ever at Pattaya Beach, but I might easily be wrong. If they were, I fear they're gone now, in a manner of speaking. Like I said, expect a flurry of activity among the medical professionals to precede any tosser with a microphone making an announcement that some kids have been found alive. Even though it will take some time to get them out - which will be the next challenge.

Edited July 2, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[KiwiKiwi]

1 minute ago, NCC1701A said:

https://twitter.com/iSmuffin/status/1013733758757789696

 

SUMMARY OF THE Press Conference 

1 all 13 ppl have yet to be found

2 we havent reached Pattaya beach yet

3 we havent seen any signs like the rumors said

4 we plan to drill the cave from above but no confirmation if we’ll find them immediately

5 forgive what we can forgive

#ถ้ำหลวง #thamluang

 

I think that's probably it then. Not good news, but not unexpected either.

[Golden Triangle]

 if you have nothing constructive to add please stay silent so that there will be less chaff for us who would like to see a positive result in this tragedy to have to wade through, in other words shut up. ?

[sambum]

6 minutes ago, BangkokSausage said:

Strange place to bring that up but anyhow why would you think a police force from another country would be interested?

Most killings are easily solved except if they are farang of course then the bib are keystone cops aparantly according to TV sleuths

Yes, you are quite right - probably not the best place to bring it up - my apologies, but I was not implying that a police force from  another country should be interested or involved in this situation.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

, if you have nothing constructive to add please stay silent so that there will be less chaff for us who would like to see a positive result in this tragedy to have to wade through, in other words shut up. ?

We all hope for a positive result. But it's not wrong to realize that isn't very likely. 

[sanemax]

13 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

but has no-one questioned the idiocy of taking a group of kids into the caves during the rainy season when floods could occur at any moment?

Nope , everyone has been saying that it was a really good idea to take the kids into a cave in rainy season

[tingtongtourist]

1 hour ago, habanero said:

I never realized that there were so many survival instructor's on TVF.

I am suprised that you would be suprised.

Really you can pick any subject whatsoever and theres countlesss farang expert, all  BSing and contest to who knows it best.

 

but is only the Thais who are know-alls, have ego and "face" issues right? 555

big lols

[CanuckThai]

I can't imagine being on the only or last piece of dry ground, competing with every living beasts, bugs and nasties in that cave, in the dark.  I'd lose my marbles....  Here's hoping all is Kosher...

[DrTuner]

So no news then. Food wise people can survive weeks without, but water is a different issue. If they are forced to drink water from the cave, it'll probably contain all manners of bacteria from bat feces, etc and the resulting diarrhea will be a killer due to dehydration. Chances dwindle as time goes by, not looking very promising.

[Chongalulu]

7 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

air tanks that have necessary oxygen in them?

Only 19%.

[thenoilif]

44 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

Really? Could you survive for over a week with no food or water in what for most of the time would be total darkness, and with having no way of tracking time?

And maybe I've missed it in all these different threads, but has no-one questioned the idiocy of taking a group of kids into the caves during the rainy season when floods could occur at any moment?

At this point in time and given the circumstances, I don't see why that last point is even relevant. But, if the coach comes out of this alive you can go march down to the hospital and demand an answer to your question if that mostly what you're concerned about.

[CGW]

Oxygen cylinders, colour coding of oxygen cylinders, oxygen is not flamable, too much will kill you, they don't have rebreathers, we are having a quiz later on the colour coding of Air cylinders & the marking on air bottles, oh - believe the kids were mentioned.............. you missed a lot  

[cardinalblue]

1. Is poorly written....all 13 have yet be found...so it is implying they found some but not others?

 

or do they mean....

 

no one has been found nor any communication has been established yet.

[jenny2017]

  If it's true that the kids and the smart ass. coach had to go deeper inside the cave because of downpours, what are the chances that they've made it to let's say Pattaya beach chamber or eventually the right one where they found shoes and bags before you've got to crawl 700 meters?

 

If the divers have a problem to get there and that's going on now for how many days, who'd think that these kids have made it to a place with enough oxygen? The divers are afraid that their oxygen wouldn't be enough to reach the chamber, where did the kids have their oxygen from?

 

  Too much time had been wasted and letting the British specialists search for holes to get there from the top, or side of the mountain is insane in my eyes.

 

  Wouldn't you let a specialist do what he's good at?  

Edited July 2, 2018 by jenny2017

[Julie H]

2 minutes ago, greenchair said:

What is it 

 Buddhas footprint  

[InfinityandBeyond]

Just now, CGW said:

Oxygen cylinders, colour coding of oxygen cylinders, oxygen is not flamable, too much will kill you, they don't have rebreathers, we are having a quiz later on the colour coding of Air cylinders & the marking on air bottles, oh - believe the kids were mentioned.............. you missed a lot  

Beat me to it! If there is one more pedantic post about air tanks...

[eeworldwide]

  If it's true that the kids and the smart ass. coach had to go deeper inside the cave because of downpours, what are the chances that they've made it to let's say Pattaya beach chamber or eventually the right one where they found shoes and bags?
 
If the divers have a problem to get there and that's going on now for how many days, who'd think that these kids have made it to a place with enough oxygen? The divers are afraid that their oxygen wouldn't be enough to reach the chamber, where did the kids have their oxygen from?
 
  Too much time had been wasted and letting the British specialists search for holes to get there from the top, or side of the mountain is insane in my eyes.
 
  Wouldn't you let a specialist do what he's good at?  

I agree with all your points


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[KiChakayan]

26 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

Only 19%.

Unless you are breathing an oxygen enriched mix (Nitrox, or Trimix or others). which limits your maximum permissible depth.

Edited July 2, 2018 by KiChakayan

[darksidedog]

Some more posts have been removed, including a conspiracy troll, a defamation post and a bunch of replies.

Shoes, bags and phones were found inside the cave, so yes, they pretty much did go in there.

One more person now getting a holiday. That is three in less than an hour.

I have warned everyone already, this is a very dangerous thread to go trolling or wander off the topic.

[InfinityandBeyond]

1 minute ago, KiChakayan said:

Unless you are using an oxygen enriched mix (Nitrox, or Trimix or others). which limits your maximum permissible depth.

And there it is: another air tank post. Damn you Kiefer Sutherland avatar guy with Star Trek handle that innocently posted a pic of air tanks and called them oxygen tanks!!!!

You should change your handle to Pedant Magnet. ??

[Bangkok Barry]

23 minutes ago, thenoilif said:

At this point in time and given the circumstances, I don't see why that last point is even relevant. But, if the coach comes out of this alive you can go march down to the hospital and demand an answer to your question if that mostly what you're concerned about.

 

For me, it's the usual case here of no-one thinking about the consequences of what they do. Not considering that going into a cave system that is prone to flooding in the rainy season has led to this massive rescue attempt which has endangered the lives not only of 12 kids who rely on responsible behaviour from their leader but the rescue workers too. It is lunacy and could have all been avoided with a little common sense. The leader showed gross irresponsibility.

[Sheryl]

19 minutes ago, cardinalblue said:

1. Is poorly written....all 13 have yet be found...so it is implying they found some but not others?

 

or do they mean....

 

no one has been found nor any communication has been established yet.

None found yet. Full translation of the press conference here https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1045561-chiang-rai-rescuers-make-progress-on-day-seven/?page=39 

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[Aussieroaming]

 A lot of chmpion people doing their best to help, awesome.

[chrisinth]

3 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

For me, it's the usual case here of no-one thinking about the consequences of what they do. Not considering that going into a cave system that is prone to flooding in the rainy season has led to this massive rescue attempt which has endangered the lives not only of 12 kids who rely on responsible behaviour from their leader but the rescue workers too. It is lunacy and could have all been avoided with a little common sense. The leader showed gross irresponsibility.

Just to add/expand on Bangkok Barry's points above, it does highlight the lack of disaster response and control. Once everything got going after the first responder's efforts, I have nothing but praise for all those involved. But, from the moment of them being reported missing to actually getting things going cost time. Maybe this can be a lesson to those deemed for government in the future, to establish a quick response team for these sort of emergencies so that every precious minute can be utilized?

 

And yes, I fully understand the complexity of the situation in the caves.

 

Usually, everywhere, there needs to be a tragedy before anything is put in place to prevent it happening again or, the procedures in place are the result of actions taken against other tragedies which have happened elsewhere. This is the way the human mind works. Does anyone know how many people have been previously lost in this cave system? Or is this the first time?

[Tug]

Still following hoping for a positive outcome and safety for the divers working in high current 0 visibility penitration diving that’s brutal for you non divers and sport types that’s definitely not a walk in the park no matter what the outcome credit must be given to all party’s involved kudos guys and gals blessings

[NCC1701A]

35 minutes ago, InfinityandBeyond said:

And there it is: another air tank post. Damn you Kiefer Sutherland avatar guy with Star Trek handle that innocently posted a pic of air tanks and called them oxygen tanks!!!!

You should change your handle to Pedant Magnet. ??

that would be me we all have to be famous for something.

 

and i just wanted to show all the tanks.

[InfinityandBeyond]

19 minutes ago, Aussieroaming said:

 A lot of chmpion people doing their best to help, awesome.

Been following the Thai Navy SEAL FB page today. 

These badasses are putting everything they have into this effort under really difficult and dangerous conditions. 

That being said, their plea for extra help (that require superb skills, training, mental and physical fortitude) speaks volumes to the mental and physical duress/fatigue these tough nuts are under. 

Whatever the outcome, I will always consider these people heroes. 

Fully focused on the mission. Awesome. 

[steve73]

21 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

..... Does anyone know how many people have been previously lost in this cave system? Or is this the first time?

Some discussion here...

sorry - I meant to attach the OP, not an irrelevant reply, but I'm sure you'll be able to navigate to the relevant bits. 

Edited July 2, 2018 by steve73