Give The British Divers Who Found the Kids And Their Instructor In The Cave Thai Citizenship And The Highest Civilian Medal.

[AdamTheFarang]

Saving young kids deserves more than they have received so far. One is going home already with little reported in the press of any gift etc. They were not paid as far as I have read and the work was extremely difficult otherwise the Thai authorities would not have needed international aid.Thailand should do more for the British Divers they are heroes.

[Badrabbit]

They are doing there job, I wouldn't expect any reward and I doubt they do!

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[pgrahmm]

Luck of the draw....Many teams on rotation/shifts - they happened to be the one's on at that time....

Just as many/actually more unsung heros besides the 3 that had the photo ops....

 

All of them are "hero's" at an equal level....

 

Including the other thousand+ or so there 24/7 doing the thankless tasks.....

Edited July 4, 2018 by pgrahmm

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

They are doing there job, I wouldn't expect any reward and I doubt they do!

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I concur there British expert guys doing there job.

[Cake Monster]

I suspect that the last thing any of these heroic guys would want is a load of hype and attention bought upon their acts of bravery.

A cold beer would be more valued by them and a simple  " Thank you " would suffice 

[canuckamuck]

This is the second thread you started with the same title.

[AdamTheFarang]

8 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

This is the second thread you started with the same title.

I have asked admin to delete the other thread.

[Kieran00001]

What about the U.S. Special Operations Command Pacific Search and Rescue team, not much of a mention and they led the operation!

Edited July 4, 2018 by Kieran00001

[Kwasaki]

7 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

What about the U.S. Special Operations Command Pacific Search and Rescue team, not much of a mention and they led the operation!

US can't always be No.1 the boys will be OK never mind the calls for praises.

[pgrahmm]

Edited July 4, 2018 by pgrahmm

[CGW]

Why does there need to be so many "hero's" these days, they did a great job, a job they have trained long and hard for no doubt, it must also be a job they enjoy doing, I'm sure the satisfaction of finding the kids was a fantastic feeling, but are they "hero's"? don't forget they had a huge team backing them up, what are they "junior backup hero's'

Job well done guys! ? 

[VocalNeal]

1 hour ago, Badrabbit said:

They are doing there job, I wouldn't expect any reward and I doubt they do!

 

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

I concur there British expert guys doing there job.

 

One is a fireman, the other is an IT consultant. I'm a bit confused. I suppose at a stretch one could say that maybe the fireman guy is a professional life saver but I doubt the West Midlands Fire Service employs him as a cave diver.

 

Cave diving for these guys is a hobby or more like a passion. If it is their job why did , reportedly, they pay their own airfares. 

 

But agreed they probably don't want a reward. Success will be its own reward.

Edited July 4, 2018 by VocalNeal

[ratcatcher]

As many posters have said, these volunteers from overseas are all cut from the same cloth. they do what they do without wanting plaudits and publicity. 

They are dedicated to saving lives and helping others in distress. People like these heroes do not seek the limelight, they come, get on with the job and when done they are gone, happy in the knowledge they were able to help..

It matters not one whit whether they were American, Australian , English or Chinese, the most important thing, is that the boys were discovered. The Englishmen are not bragging about their finding the boys, they are merely happy to have found them. Typical self effacing style of some Brits.

[Lamkyong]

i feel sure the Thai government will respond favourably later   hopfully the cop who tried to throw a spanner in the works  ie permits for drilling/drones etc  will not be on the inevitable  commitee

[Badrabbit]

i feel sure the Thai government will respond favourably later   hopfully the cop who tried to throw a spanner in the works  ie permits for drilling/drones etc  will not be on the inevitable  commitee

I'm surprised they haven't been arrested for working without a work permit such is Thailand!!

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[ratcatcher]

7 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

I'm surprised they haven't been arrested for working without a work permit such is Thailand!!

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I am aware that you are attempting to be facetious, but do you really think under the circumstances the powers that be would insist on work permits for highly trained cave divers when every minute counts to save lives..

No, I didn't think  you did.

It did however happen 14 years ago when the tsunami hit, much to Thailand's sham e and embarrassment.

Perhaps Thailand has moved on and matured a wee bit?

[Badrabbit]

I am aware that you are attempting to be facetious, but do you really think under the circumstances the powers that be would insist on work permits for highly trained cave divers when every minute counts to save lives..
No, I didn't think  you did.
It did however happen 14 years ago when the tsunami hit, much to Thailand's sham e and embarrassment.
Perhaps Thailand has moved on and matured a wee bit?

Well let's hope the shame and embarrassment does not repeat itself!

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[cyberfarang]

So far the team have had all their expenses paid and have been made visa and work permit exempt, including having the honour of being made personal guests by the King, probably the highest honour any foreigners could be bestowed in Thailand.

 

I have no doubts the British rescue team will gain a lot of work out of this, now news of their fantastic achievement has gone worldwide. It`s going to be;  we need a rescue team, who we gonna call?

 

I`m sure these guys will go down in history and always remembered as the British team who performed a miracle in Thailand, and that alone is worth it`s weight in gold.

 

 

[Badrabbit]

So far the team have had all their expenses paid and have been made visa and work permit exempt, including having the honour of being made personal guests by the King, probably the highest honour any foreigners could be bestowed in Thailand.

 

I have no doubts the British rescue team will gain a lot of work out of this, now news of their fantastic achievement has gone worldwide. It`s going to be;  we need a rescue team, who we gonna call?

 

I`m sure these guys will go down in history and always remembered as the British team who performed a miracle in Thailand, and that alone is worth it`s weight in gold.

 

 

That's fantastic news, preying for the lads to be reunited with there families sooner rather than later!

 

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[Fish Head Soup]

I feel sorry for these guys to be honest. If you have read up about them they are not people who want or enjoy being in the limelight, they just love doing their hobby which is cave diving. They have become known for a long time as being extremely proficient at what they do.

 

They are volunteers for cave rescue in the UK, it is a charity which is run entirely on donations from the public. They are not doing this for money, fame, or to prove a point. They hear of someone in trouble, in a world where they are optimal operators, and they see a chance to help someone out of a bad situation in a place they know their skills and experience are possibly the persons only chance of survival, or in worse circumstances to recover the body for the family (as happened in France).

 

They have been called upon by foreign governments in the past, and they have gone and done what they do and then they have left, people in the caving world know them, what they have done etc, but don't make a fuss, they don't want it.

 

They will find all the media attention extremely intrusive I'm sure. Of course it's understandable that we all want to know about them, but maybe they just want some privacy, and just to be left alone to do what they do.

Edited July 4, 2018 by Fish Head Soup

[doodle]

12 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

If it is their job why did , reportedly, they pay their own airfares. 

I believe that it was reported right at the start that Thai Airways provided free tickets for them.

[Quack]

13 hours ago, pgrahmm said:

Luck of the draw....Many teams on rotation/shifts - they happened to be the one's on at that time....

Just as many/actually more unsung heros besides the 3 that had the photo ops....

 

All of them are "hero's" at an equal level....

 

Including the other thousand+ or so there 24/7 doing the thankless tasks.....

Actually I don't think it was the luck of the draw. The Brit divers were brought in to blaze the trail as the other divers weren't experienced or skilled enough to be able to find their way through the network of caves without any visibility, maps or lines... The Brit guys were the ones who did the hard work exploring and forging ahead and laid out the lines so other less experienced divers could follow them through. It's extremely difficult and takes a great deal of bravery to go into a cave blind, squeezing through tight gaps when there's no guarantee you'll even be able to turn around in the space you get into, no visibility at all. There's probably only a handful of people in the world who can do this safely, which is why the Brits were brought in.

[simoh1490]

Few posters seem to understand the nature and character of the rescuers, they shun the limelight and any reward, for them, cave diving is a hobby and not something to do for reward or fame, they enjoy the challenge of the logistics. There's some really good articles about them in the UK press, perhaps read one or two.

[doodle]

1 minute ago, Quack said:

Actually I don't think it was the luck of the draw. The Brit divers were brought in to blaze the trail as the other divers weren't experienced or skilled enough to be able to find their way through the network of caves without any visibility, maps or lines... The Brit guys were the ones who did the hard work exploring and forging ahead and laid out the lines so other less experienced divers could follow them through. It's extremely difficult and takes a great deal of bravery to go into a cave blind, squeezing through tight gaps when there's no guarantee you'll even be able to turn around in the space you get into, no visibility at all. There's probably only a handful of people in the world who can do this safely, which is why the Brits were brought in.

That's right. The French specifically asked for them in 2010 to help recover the body of a diver. They also helped in a successful rescue of 13 divers in Mexico in 2004.

[MekkOne]

13 hours ago, AdamTheFarang said:

I have asked admin to delete the other thread.

you should ask to the admin to delete yourself...

[khaowong1]

12 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

YeI am aware that you are attempting to be facetious, but do you really think under the circumstances the powers that be would insist on work permits for highly trained cave divers when every minute counts to save lives..

No, I didn't think  you did.

It did however happen 14 years ago when the tsunami hit, much to Thailand's sham e and embarrassment.

Perhaps Thailand has moved on and matured a wee bit?

Yes, I remember that.  But moved on and matured a wee bit, doubtful. 

[riverhigh]

Re: Give The British Divers Who Found the Kids And Their Instructor In The Cave Thai Citizenship And The Highest Civilian Medal.

 

Thai Citizenship? Are we really talking about giving the British Divers their due credit or is this about Thais not accepting foreigners into their country? Two diferent topics (smile).

[Denim]

Giving someone Thai citizenship can hardly be construed to be a reward.

 

Besides, as others have said , they don't seek the limelight and just want to do the job and get a good result.

[Peterw42]

12 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

I am aware that you are attempting to be facetious, but do you really think under the circumstances the powers that be would insist on work permits for highly trained cave divers when every minute counts to save lives..

No, I didn't think  you did.

It did however happen 14 years ago when the tsunami hit, much to Thailand's sham e and embarrassment.

Perhaps Thailand has moved on and matured a wee bit?

I think if you look into what actually happend, 3-4 months after the tsunami there was a crackdown on volunteer visa's and work permits etc because it was starting to be abused. People were turning up as volunteers with their golf clubs and trying to start businesses etc. A small percentage were profiteering hence the crackdown.

[Suradit69]

15 hours ago, AdamTheFarang said:

Saving young kids deserves more than they have received so far. One is going home already with little reported in the press of any gift etc

I would think giving them a "prize" for their efforts would cheapen the value of the work they do and  appear to ignore the importance of all those, Thai or foreign, who have contributed to the exemplary collective effort. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 5, 2018 by Suradit69