BREAKING NEWS Rescuers begin evacuation of 'Tham Luang 13'

[Opl]

Sorry if this link has already been shared, but in case it has'nt : " The Thai cave rescue is relying on some totally ingenious tech hacks. How do you rescue 12 boys and their football coach from deep inside a Thai cave? With drones, pumps, and 20-year-old DIY radios"

 

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/thai-cave-rescue-boys-news-tech

 

 

[NCC1701A]

radar shows rain directly over the cave location for the last hour.

 

http://weather.tmd.go.th/criLoop.php

[ravip]

10 minutes ago, Opl said:

Sorry if this link has already been shared, but in case it has'nt : " The Thai cave rescue is relying on some totally ingenious tech hacks. How do you rescue 12 boys and their football coach from deep inside a Thai cave? With drones, pumps, and 20-year-old DIY radios"

 

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/thai-cave-rescue-boys-news-tech

 

 

20-year-old DIY radios?

I read it as some top hi tech Israeli stuff >>> https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-technology-providing-vital-communications-link-to-cave-trapped-thai-boys/

 

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by ravip

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, ravip said:

20-year-old DIY radios?

I read it as some top hi tech Israeli stuff >>> https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-technology-providing-vital-communications-link-to-cave-trapped-thai-boys/

Read the article. The "top hi tech Israeli stuff" arrived later. The legacy 'analog' stuff used by the first-contact British rescue divers was apparently assembled, tested and flown in from the UK.

 

"Meanwhile, the British diving team who made first contact with the trapped party turned to a much older technology to get messages to the surface.

 

HeyPhones were developed almost 20 years ago by and for the British caving community. They are bulky, do-it-yourself radio systems that use ultra-low frequency waves to communicate through hundreds of metres of solid rock.

 

Volunteers from the Derbyshire Cave Rescue Organisation spent last Tuesday testing and packing three of the devices, which were sped to Heathrow under police escort and then flown to Thailand to be used in the search."

[DJ54]

Never give up hope miracles do happen....like an earlier post said negativity doesn’t help at all.....

[fantom]

Can we please stick to the facts as they emerge.

[ravip]

11 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Read the article. The "top hi tech Israeli stuff" arrived later. The legacy 'analog' stuff used by the first-contact British rescue divers was apparently assembled, tested and flown in from the UK.

 

"Meanwhile, the British diving team who made first contact with the trapped party turned to a much older technology to get messages to the surface.

 

HeyPhones were developed almost 20 years ago by and for the British caving community. They are bulky, do-it-yourself radio systems that use ultra-low frequency waves to communicate through hundreds of metres of solid rock.

 

Volunteers from the Derbyshire Cave Rescue Organisation spent last Tuesday testing and packing three of the devices, which were sped to Heathrow under police escort and then flown to Thailand to be used in the search."

I guess that the "top hi-tech Israeli stuff "improved" what the legacy 'analog' stuff used by the first-contact British rescue divers was apparently assembled, tested and flown in from the UK did. Yes, we know Israelis are super smart.

Edited July 8, 2018 by ravip

[josephbloggs]

7 hours ago, Raymonddiaz said:

They might want to hide if  anything bad happen....I hope for the best though.

Did they hide the news that Saman Gunan lost his life in the rescue?

 

No, they didn't.  They reported it very quickly.

 

Why do you think they would hide any other bad news?  I am astonished by the way some people on here think.

[fantom]

Please stick with the current situation, this is not the time for point scoring

Edited July 8, 2018 by fantom
reference Rajips post

[NanLaew]

10 minutes ago, fantom said:

Please stick with the current situation, this is not the time for point scoring

Follow this thread instead of beating your gums.

 

 

[fantom]

Thanks

[NanLaew]

11 minutes ago, fantom said:

Thanks

No worries. Sorry for the gum-beating chastisement... wasn't serious. You know how quickly a thread gets sidetracked here when a few  of the less amenable members decide to go off at a tangent.

[Shoho]

News, talking about using some underwater jackhammers to open up the cave ceiling.

[Bang Bang]

News just now that FIFA has invited the boys and the coach to the WC final on Sunday if they are healthy enough. Would be terrific to see the kids laughing and enjoying themselves on the big screen as the world salutes them.

Edited July 8, 2018 by Bang Bang

[Fish Head Soup]

18 minutes ago, Bang Bang said:

News just now that FIFA has invited the boys and the coach to the WC final on Sunday if they are healthy enough. Would be terrific to see the kids laughing and enjoying themselves on the big screen as the world salutes them.

The gesture was made a few days ago. It's good of them to reach out like that, but I doubt that after being trapped in a cave for so long they would be in a hurry to get in to another confined space (plane) that they can't just walk out of once inside. Bangkok to Moscow 9 hours, I doubt it.

[Bang Bang]

4 minutes ago, Fish Head Soup said:

The gesture was made a few days ago. It's good of them to reach out like that, but I doubt that after being trapped in a cave for so long they would be in a hurry to get in to another confined space (plane) that they can't just walk out of once inside. Bangkok to Moscow 9 hours, I doubt it.

Could be but kids are incredibly resilient. And the prospect of attending the biggest soccer match in 4 years might be just the impetus they need to recover. I can imagine them gulping down their medicines, eating hungrily to build strength, and pushing each other, all in order to make that flight to Moscow on Saturday.

[Fish Head Soup]

1 minute ago, Bang Bang said:

Could be but kids are incredibly resilient. And the prospect of attending the biggest soccer match in 4 years might be just the impetus they need to recover. I can imagine them gulping down their medicines, eating hungrily to build strength, and pushing each other, all in order to make that flight to Moscow on Saturday.

They may well do.

[geriatrickid]

7 hours ago, peterb17 said:

There always has to be one - at least perhaps you could spell faeces correctly .

You think in a Western way - oh my - I’ve dropped and lost 50 satang - I’m going to have PDST - it’s all ambulance chasers and lawyers . 

 

The Thai people are tough , wiry , much more resilient- have you been to funerals.?  at the time - it’s not good, Mum or Grandpa has died- few days later life and everything moves on. The West - No .

I don’t think you understand the culture we live in ( maybe you don’t live here ) 

My friends here are going to the temple . 

Good luck 

P 

 

Feces is a correct spelling. My documents from the Thai public health department in the english language use this spelling. Faeces is an older variant.

FYI, international  research publications use the feces spelling.

 

You claim  "You think in a Western way - oh my - I’ve dropped and lost 50 satang - I’m going to have PDST - it’s all ambulance chasers and lawyers . "

 

 It doesn't matter if they are Thai or Indian or American. They have the same hurt  and fears.  Children cooped up in a dark cave for an extended period of time will be hurt. It's an established fact that some will have fears that may never go away. If you don't believe that some will be afraid of small spaces or the dark, and suffer, then you are a menace and should not be allowed near children or anyone who has suffered emotional trauma.  With patience, care, love and time, the wounds will heal for most. The Chilean miners who were rescued after their ordeal were used to confined dark spaces. They were a stoic lot, much like the Thais.  That was their  work. And yet, years after the event, many are mentally ill due to the trauma.'

And yet here you come to poo poo the emotional impact away with your colonial assumption from a bygone era. You are a caricature lifted from a Black Adder episode where a seriously  injured man is told to shake it off and get back in it. 

 

One can only laugh at the intellectual  limitation of someone who states;  

I don’t think you understand the culture we live in ( maybe you don’t live here ) 

and then offers;  My friends here are going to the temple . 

 

I am well aware of the culture.  Did you share your medical insight with the  director of the health care operation, because according to you, the strategy deployed  isn't right. Your position isn't just sad, but is deadly.  Are you oblivious to the likelihood that these kids will have been near  vital organ collapse? Liver, pancreas and kidney damage  becomes severe after 5 days of food and clean water deprivation. Your friends' visit to a temple isn't going to help with the physical  and emotional injuries to the children. These kids are at serious risk of lung damage; first from the air quality and second from their need to travel under water subject to pressure. If they hold their breath  the gas can expand and rupture their lungs. They are susceptible to ear damage and their eardrums could burst. These are not injuries that local culture heals or prevents. These kids are going to have serious lung issues for months to come. It is likely some will have breathing difficulties. These very real physical conditions will only exacerbate their emotional trauma, but here you are to say that the Thais will not suffer or have an adverse reaction.

Brilliant.

 

 

[Brunolem]

3 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

Could be but kids are incredibly resilient. And the prospect of attending the biggest soccer match in 4 years might be just the impetus they need to recover. I can imagine them gulping down their medicines, eating hungrily to build strength, and pushing each other, all in order to make that flight to Moscow on Saturday.

That would be Saturday in 2 weeks, not next Saturday.

 

Anyway, Thailand will not play the final, so who cares...

[ttrd]

Rescuers up against 'water and time' to save remaining teammates trapped in Thai Cave

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/08/asia/thai-cave-rescue-mission-intl/index.html

 

[Brunolem]

7 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

Nobody had calculated how may tanks they need?

 

Can't believe that after 2 weeks there isn't an oversupply of tanks and oxygen

There seem to be some contradiction, confusion, in the information provided.

 

On the one hand, we hear that, thanks to the constant pumping, water levels have gone down enough to considerably reduce the length of the diving sections, and speed up the extraction process...

 

But on the other hand, the divers appear to have used more oxygen tanks than planned...how is that possible?

 

And either there are not enough tanks available, or there was a big miscalculation leading to lay inside the cave enough tanks for only 4 rescues instead of 13...strange...

 

 

[ttrd]

Live: Thai cave rescue: four boys in hospital; operation set to resume today

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12085486

 

[Brunolem]

7 minutes ago, ttrd said:

Rescuers up against 'water and time' to save remaining teammates trapped in Thai Cave

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/08/asia/thai-cave-rescue-mission-intl/index.html

 

Yes, this break after only 4 extractions was a bad idea, and much more oxygen tanks should have been brought into the cave long before, in order to avoid this 10 hours resupply operation.

If they can't extract the remaining 9 today, things could take a very bad turn...

[ttrd]

“It’s dangerous to the most experienced divers to go through,” one told Reuters. “It’s pretty scary.”

A 25-year-old Thai navy Seal, who declined to be named, described one of the most difficult parts of the journey. “The hole is really small, I have to take off my air tank to crawl through it. As I do, I feel the edges of the hole on both my back and chest,” he said.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/08/thailand-cave-rescue-begins-four-boys-freed

[ttrd]

16 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Yes, this break after only 4 extractions was a bad idea, and much more oxygen tanks should have been brought into the cave long before, in order to avoid this 10 hours resupply operation.

If they can't extract the remaining 9 today, things could take a very bad turn...

Its a little hard to believe taken into consderation that the divers are the best of the best so such a major miscalculation of the oxygen needed doesnt fit in. It can be other issues that we are not informed about. It may also have something to do with the boys actual health/mental condition. You cant force anyone to perform such a extreme underwater journey if they are not fit and prepared. Of the same reason I am happy that Elon and his team soon will make the tailormade rescue equipment available so there are options for those who would have difficulties to perform the journey as the 4 first - with other words, the rescue operation is far from over and as you mentioned the time itself is the most critical factor...

Edited July 8, 2018 by ttrd

[lamyai3]

44 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

That would be Saturday in 2 weeks, not next Saturday.

 

Anyway, Thailand will not play the final, so who cares...

The final is next Sunday, 15th. As for who cares? Tell that to the kids in the team, they eat sleep and breathe football.

 

Sadly, I think time is too tight and they'll be held back by red tape. Aside from the likelihood of medical staff wanting to keep them in for observation, they're poor village kids and I doubt any of them have passports - not sure if the 14 year old from Burma that first spoke to the Brits would even have citizenship. And that's before considering the problem of Russia visas and whether they can be waived or fast-tracked.

 

Most importantly of course is that the rest of the team and the coach are brought out safely in the hours to come. It's comforting at least to know that they're in the best possible hands. 

Edited July 8, 2018 by lamyai3

[LomSak27]

5 hours ago, Bang Bang said:

News just now that FIFA has invited the boys and the coach to the WC final on Sunday if they are healthy enough. Would be terrific to see the kids laughing and enjoying themselves on the big screen as the world salutes them.

Edited 5 hours ago by Bang Bang

Rather jumping the gun here isn't  it?! .... How about getting them all out before getting all carried away with ourselves.

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by LomSak27

[Nigeone]

4 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

The final is next Sunday, 15th. As for who cares? Tell that to the kids in the team, they eat sleep and breathe football.

 

Sadly, I think time is too tight and they'll be held back by red tape. Aside from the likelihood of medical staff wanting to keep them in for observation, they're poor village kids and I doubt any of them have passports - not sure if the 14 year old from Burma that first spoke to the Brits would even have citizenship. And that's before considering the problem of Russia visas and whether they can be waived or fast-tracked. . 

Sadly too much too soon I'd say especially as there's still 9 to get out .

nice gesture though but logistical nightmare even after there clearance by doctors 

[Jimdandy]

Great New! Just wonderful news.

[Brunolem]

14 minutes ago, ttrd said:

Its a little hard to believe taken into consderation that the divers are the best of the best so such a major miscalculation of the oxygen needed doesnt fit in. It can be other issues that we are not informed about. It may also have something to do with the boys actual health/mental condition. You cant force anyone to perform such a extreme underwater journey if they are not fit and prepared. Of the same reason I am happy that Elon and his team soon will make the tailormade rescue equipment available so there are options for those who would have difficulties to perform the journey as the 4 first - with other words, the rescue operation is far from over and as you mentioned the time itself is the most critical factor...

Considering the information provided, the real issue appears to be the oxygen tanks, not the boys' condition and readiness.

Indeed, they spent 10 hours (maybe still not finished) to replace the tanks.

There must be a reason for this limited supply of oxygen tanks but I haven't heard about it yet...