Phuket police investigate the alleged sexual assault of a European female in Nai Harn

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, timendres said:

Right. She is responsible for her own behavior.

A victims behaviour is absolutely irrelevant, the only one to blame for a rapists actions is the rapist. 

[timendres]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

A victims behaviour is absolutely irrelevant, the only one to blame for a rapists actions is the rapist. 

No one is stating that the rapist's actions were not abhorrent, and deserving of the most severe punishment. And no one is saying that the victim should be blamed for the rapist's actions. But when it becomes unacceptable to state that what a victim did was, frankly, not smart, then you are doing a disservice to every other potential victim out there. You are basically saying, "go ahead, be a complete moron, because no one can ever say what you did was stupid". Rape is rape, and needs to be met with the full force of the law. Stupid is stupid, and should be clearly identified for those intelligent enough to learn from it.

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, timendres said:

No one is stating that the rapist's actions were not abhorrent, and deserving of the most severe punishment. And no one is saying that the victim should be blamed for the rapist's actions. But when it becomes unacceptable to state that what a victim did was, frankly, not smart, then you are doing a disservice to every other potential victim out there. You are basically saying, "go ahead, be a complete moron, because no one can ever say what you did was stupid". Rape is rape, and needs to be met with the full force of the law. Stupid is stupid, and should be clearly identified for those intelligent enough to learn from it.

The only behaviour that leads to rape is that of a rapist. 

 

I don’t care who the victim drank with or how much they drank or who paid. 

 

Rape happens because rapist scum decide to rape, not because the victim was drinking. 

 

 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[janclaes47]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

It is never acceptable to blame the victim. 

 

The only behaviour that leads to rape is that of a rapist. 

Were you in the same room, that you know he is a rapist?

 

When I'm stupid dumb drunk I also often say and agree to things which I don't have any resemblances about the next day.

 

I recall my mates telling me I've been here or there the previous day, of which I remember nothing.

 

But of course that is not possible with UK women

 

 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Were you in the same room, that you know he is a rapist?

 

When I'm stupid dumb drunk I also often say and agree to things which I don't have any resemblances about the next day.

 

I recall my mates telling me I've been here or there the previous day, of which I remember nothing.

 

But of course that is not possible with UK women

 

 

I believe the victim. 

 

Also there is no consent if the victim is drunk. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Bluespunk

[janclaes47]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

3 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Were you in the same room, that you know he is a rapist?

 

When I'm stupid dumb drunk I also often say and agree to things which I don't have any resemblances about the next day.

 

I recall my mates telling me I've been here or there the previous day, of which I remember nothing.

 

But of course that is not possible with UK women

 

 

I believe the victim. 

And how do you determine she is a victim?

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, janclaes47 said:

And how do you determine she is a victim?

I believe her version of events and as I said, there is no consent if the victim has been drinking. 

[Thian]

12 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Were you in the same room, that you know he is a rapist?

 

When I'm stupid dumb drunk I also often say and agree to things which I don't have any resemblances about the next day.

 

I recall my mates telling me I've been here or there the previous day, of which I remember nothing.

 

But of course that is not possible with UK women

 

 

I remember being on koh samet with 25 thai men who all have university degree's and most had girlfriends or were married...all were collegues and the boss was there as well.

 

There were 2 farang girls on the beach, sunbathing topless and the men couldn't get their eyes of them...totally obsessed...at night we had alcohol and all the time they went searching for the girls....not interested in any other farang girl there they had to see those 2 again but couldn't find them (which they couldn't but they had to be close since they were on the same beach).

 

Another time we had a huge company party (nakhon nayok) with 100+ thai collegues, mostly men. They had some of those dirty dancer girls (tiger girls or whatever they call them)...all the big bosses were there as well and 25 boxes of whisky for us...they started giving tips to those girls but the money in their bra's, nickers, touched them everywhere while others were filming them (they were married)....it was disgusting but hey who am i to say anything about it? At night 2 had to sleep in our room on the floor, one peed in the corner on the bed of his gf who was sleeping....total madhouse.

 

The goodlooking officegirls came sitting around me to be safe during the night. The males couldn't speak english and didn't dare to approach those girls when they sat with me and my wife.

 

Well i learned a lot about thai men during that night....

[balo]

Here we go again , get ready for weekly stories like these as we enter the high season .  

[brianthainess]

Was she simply drinking with a Thai man or was He buying the drinks ?? if so well errr look out 

[brianthainess]

On 11/10/2018 at 9:43 AM, Old Croc said:

No surprises that the other media outlet has a different version:

 

"According to the initial report by Chalong Police, the woman, 24 years old, was staying at hotel in Karon. She told police that she went to a bar in Karon last night and was drinking with a Thai man, who she later asked to take her back to her hotel because she was drunk."
Phuket News

Who was paying ??

[Old Croc]

11 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

Who was paying ??

How the <deleted> should I know?

[connda]

On 11/10/2018 at 10:15 AM, GAZZPA said:

Just because you state "I am not blaming the victim" doesn't cancel out your previous obvious blame of the victim.

 

This is a simple for ALL men to understand. Women have the right to get drunk if they want to, exactly the same as men. They have the right to let their hair down and socialise and talk to new people (strangers) in a bar. They also have the right to accept someone offering to walk them home. Lastly, they also have the right to get home safely and not be raped and taken advantage of by a scumbag man.

 

The man has NO RIGHT to take advantage and rape the women. If he offers to walk her home because she is drunk then he should do exactly that, walk her home and make sure she gets home safely, thats it.

 

You can talk to the woman later about using more wisdom in her activities and not leaving herself open for these scumbag rapists. BUT THE MAN IS AT FAULT,,, 100% not the woman.

 

Wake up fella! Have you ever walked a lady home? I have and it never , ever occurred to me to get her alone and rape her because she was drunk and it would be easy,, not ever. The guy is a rapist, focus on that first, you can talk about the wisdom of her actions later, AFTER the rapist is caught.

 

Sorry, but this is such Dinosaur thinking. Rape it rape fella, thats it. 

Just to play Devils Advocate, but if you can't remember anything, then 'sex' could have been mutual and consensual.  Prove that it was not. 
The moral to this story is, don't get so drunk that you black out.  If you do, you are responsible for putting yourself in that position.  And it's also the responsibility of anyone who commits a crime against you while in that state, if a crime was committed.  And unless there is a witness to corroborate a crime, you have a situation that no cop or court really wants to deal with.

[bristolgeoff]

drunk in a bar in thailand,anything could happen.maybe too much drink and she does not remember  anything,who was she with in thailand as well her boyfriend maybe.too many variables here as usual

[bristolgeoff]

many years ago in cnx i was heading to my room for sleeping.a young lady very drunk on a scoopy  fell.went over to help her.could have being a bar girl for sure or not who knows.anyway  i got her back on the bike and off she went into the night to the next fall maybe.i,am sure someone could have taken advantage her,nothing happened and off she went.she also knew what was going as well even if she was wasted

[timendres]

On 11/11/2018 at 12:29 AM, Bluespunk said:

The only behaviour that leads to rape is that of a rapist. 

 

I don’t care who the victim drank with or how much they drank or who paid. 

 

Rape happens because rapist scum decide to rape, not because the victim was drinking. 

And stupid happens because the thinker decided to not think.

[Bluespunk]

59 minutes ago, timendres said:

And stupid happens because the thinker decided to not think.

That has nothing to do with the rapists behaviour.

 

[KKr]

On 11/10/2018 at 9:18 AM, hotchilli said:

Doesn't just happen here in Thailand, any single girl who goes out drinking alone to the point she's completely pissed with a stranger is asking for trouble..

Not saying she deserves to be raped but.. personal behaviour is a factor...

You don't cross the road without looking .... if you get my drift !

Difference being that when crossing the road, usually vehicles slow down, don't purposely rundown the person crossing the road.

[KKr]

7 hours ago, timendres said:

And stupid happens because the thinker decided to not think.

If you mean that rapists are stupid people without capacity to think rationally and should be locked up long term, I agree.

Stop implying that the victim, be it a male or female or in-between, is the cause of a rape.

[GAZZPA]

On November 10, 2561 BE at 2:58 PM, thurien said:

why on earth these female British persons appear so delectable to Asians?

Could you possible say anything more insensitive? Peoples motives for rape are not what you think, look it up and educate yourself. 

[timendres]

On 11/12/2018 at 7:48 PM, KKr said:

If you mean that rapists are stupid people without capacity to think rationally and should be locked up long term, I agree.

Stop implying that the victim, be it a male or female or in-between, is the cause of a rape.

I realize that English is not the primary language for many here, but please try and actually comprehend my posts before speculating on my implications. Never once have I even vaguely implied that a victim is the cause of a rape. No more than I would imply that I was the cause of a pickpocket stealing my money. But I do, indeed, have the option to keep my money in a location that is difficult to pickpocket. Obvious to anyone with the capacity for critical thought.

[sawadee1947]

A drunk hoe and her lover. So what,? 

[KKr]

 

14 hours ago, timendres said:

I realize that English is not the primary language for many here, but please try and actually comprehend my posts before speculating on my implications. Never once have I even vaguely implied that a victim is the cause of a rape. No more than I would imply that I was the cause of a pickpocket stealing my money. But I do, indeed, have the option to keep my money in a location that is difficult to pickpocket. Obvious to anyone with the capacity for critical thought.

Sure, whatever.

[timendres]

2 hours ago, KKr said:

 

Sure, whatever.

Well put.

Edited November 14, 2018 by timendres

[5633572526]

On 11/10/2018 at 8:57 AM, steelepulse said:

Didn't know bars stayed open until 7 am in Kata.

 

"Police have tracked down CCTV footage and found that the tourist was drinking before at a bar in Kata Beach with a Thai man until around 7am today."

Don’t know about Kata but it was not unusual to see bars still serving and several drunks on Patong beach in Phuket during my morning beach run (6:am). Most bars will stay open until the last drunk goes home except for the occasional police crack downs. I miss the morning beach runs since moving to bkk but not dodging drunks on the beach.