Big Joke: UK woman was not raped on Phuket; Thai "sushi maker" arrested

[ParadiseLost]

Big Jerk, two steps forward, three back ...all the way back to the middle ages.

 

Nothing to see here - it was only a finger!

[hobz]

5 hours ago, Aussieroaming said:

Penetrated by the same filthy finger he uses to pick his nose. I am sure non consensual sex of any kind is RAPE.

Semantics.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Got news for the headline writer here:

 

Digital penetration in the absence of consent IS legally RAPE!

 

If that's what in fact occurred, then the victim was in fact RAPED!

 

BTW, despite the headline, the OP article, or at least the English translation of the Thai version, doesn't have Joke explicitly saying what happened was NOT rape. It merely has him saying the hospital exam didn't find any "evidence" of rape, which in the case of digital penetration, there wouldn't necessarily be any evidence to find.

 

I have no idea what the original Thai language version has Joke saying or not saying.

 

 

[newatthis]

The other English newspaper has stated that the accused has been charged with rape. The police stating that penis or finger is still rape according to Thai Penal Code.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, newatthis said:

 The police stating that penis or finger is still rape according to Thai Penal Code.

 

Well, at least we can be thankful for THAT! 

[Destiny1990]

5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Did the police smell his finger,then decide he only Penetrated her

with his finger,if he was a sushi maker his fingers would smell 

fishy anyway, this seem to be a ploy be the Police to say no rape

occurred.so no more bad news.

 

regards worgeordie

They better smell his dick too just to be make it a full and complete investigation.

[cardinalblue]

Perception and statistics are not the same.....

[ReMarKable]

4 hours ago, zaphod reborn said:

That's meaningless.  Rape or sexual assault is defined by the criminal code of every jurisdiction.  It doesn't matter how a dictionary defines it.  Rape in Thailand requires intercorse.  In the US, most jurisdictions would charge this act as sexual assault, not rape.  Thailand's criminal code is antiquated, and the best BJ could do was molestation (Sec. 278).

 

 

So section 276 refers to less than 15 year old rapists or under 15 year old victims.  If so, why the charge for a 14 year old for sushi maker?

[animatic]

If she was not awake, not aware, and not consenting, no matter whether finger or sex organ it is rape.

And noting that he said he had sex with her while she was asleep, and when she woke up she ran...

it was certainly rape.

 

But the powers that be seem far more interested in protecting the image of the country

than protecting the people in that country. Which is really losing far more face for the country

than they imagine they are saving. 

[Nip]

4 hours ago, moe666 said:

What rock are you sleeping under, high season has started and Chiang Mai has been flooded by young farangs from America, europe, and GB. There are a lot of Spanish tourist this year

Go on name the 4 of them. I note you've already removed GB from Europe and Spain too.

[bendejo]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

UK woman was not raped on Phuket; Thai "sushi maker" arrested

 

So the sushi maker was arrested for not raping her?

 

 

[Gandtee]

There are no excuses for the man. Knowing she was drunk and maybe passed out. How many times are we going to read of women getting drunk then going off with men they don't know? It's just asking for trouble.

[AhFarangJa]

3 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

And I don't agree, this is from UK MET police, not wikipedia where everyone can write what he believes to be true.

 

https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/rsa/rape-and-sexual-assault/what-is-rape-and-sexual-assault/

 

 

Rape or sexual assault is a serious crime. Find out more below about rape and sexual assault, what constitutes consent, and some of the common myths around rape, sexual assault and reporting these offences.

Rape and sexual assault

All rape and sexual assault is serious. The terms rape and 'sexual assault' are used simply to differentiate between two types of offence. So what's the difference?

Rape is when a person intentionally penetrates another's vagina, anus or mouth with a penis, without the other person's consent. Assault by penetration is when a person penetrates another person's vagina or anus with any part of the body other than a penis, or by using an object, without the person's consent.

Actually, it wasn't taken from Wikipedia, for the same reason as you yourself cite in your post. It was taken from an online dictionary. 

I do however concede to the point you post re the UK Met. Police. Thanks for the clarification. 

Would Thai police view the above as law......from the article it would seem so.

[janclaes47]

17 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

So the sushi maker was arrested for not raping her?

 

 

He was arrested for sexual assault

[terminatorchiangmai]

i had higher hopes for the Joker they call Big Joke

[janclaes47]

26 minutes ago, animatic said:

And noting that he said he had sex with her while she was asleep, and when she woke up she ran...

it was certainly rape.

I take it that you were present during the interview, and don't just go with what is written in an article ny a journalist who also wasn't present at the interview.

 

27 minutes ago, animatic said:

If she was not awake, not aware, and not consenting, no matter whether finger or sex organ it is rape.

I already posted how UK police, in my opinion a credible source, considers an event like this but of course it must be you who defines laws.

[janclaes47]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Digital penetration in the absence of consent IS legally RAPE!

 

And of course you have a credible LEGAL source for this that you can post here.

[HHTel]

The title is very wrong.  It implies yet again that the girl made it up instead of confirming a crime had been committed upon her.

[JulesMad]

It used to be: 'The butler did it'  but these days it is the sushi-maker...

[roo860]

At least there wasn't too much of a police 'probe' in this case.

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[farangroby]

Not a finger, the Thai arrested has a dick small like a finger and smelling like a dirty dick because of the fish of his sushi

 

[suwan]

The smell on his finger was clearly from the "sushi"

[gerritkaew]

she let a strange man bring her to the room and whit the stranger in the room she went to sleep, sure.

what is she thinking,, maybe she's in the US and get some money out of it??

Always the same people, brits who get druk and raped, hahahahaha. And i  beleave in Santa Claus.

[digger70]

In Western countries they call that Digital Rape. So if one doesn't use a dick it ain't Rape ?

[Thingamabob]

I don't think I will be eating sushi again after reading this 

[cyberfarang]

Just a moment, please.

 

The woman was drinking at the bar alone, got drunk and then asks a man who was not a taxi driver to take her back to her hotel.

 

So she was not drunk enough to invite a man to take her to her hotel, but too drunk to ask staff to call her a taxi. After she passed out  fell asleep, the man probably took advantage of the situation and took the woman to his house instead.

 

Surely don`t women bear some responsibilities towards their own safety and vulnerabilities? I am not condoning what the guy did, if had been me I`d simply had called her a taxi, but sorry, have little sympathy for this woman either.

[Lupatria]

Now I wait for the headline: Big Jerk declares Thailand a rape-free zone.

[africasiaeuro]

It leaves you startled. The whole episode. Like Watergate. Whitewash attempts that ultimately fail because the whole world has become aware that there is a problem. After all, it appears clearly that the girl has one too.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

6 hours ago, moe666 said:

What rock are you sleeping under, high season has started and Chiang Mai has been flooded by young farangs from America, europe, and GB. There are a lot of Spanish tourist this year

I think that the fact that TAT has decided NOT to publish tourist arrivals or tourist spending in future does not simply mean that they have finally accepted the real meaning of "quality tourist", but is more likely an indication of non-increasing  or even falling numbers, after years of "luring" anybody here, including the more recent Chinese.  After all, no Government official dare report bad numbers on anything, as it might possibly put the ruling Junta in a bad light, with a possible election looming whenever.

[cyberfarang]

1 minute ago, Lupatria said:

Now I wait for the headline: Big Jerk declares Thailand a rape-free zone.

Any women anywhere in the world that place themselves in situations like that are putting themselves in great danger.

 

There are men out there that will try and manipulate the vulnerabilities to their own advantage, that is a fact. For example; I would not walk alone at night in a remote area carrying a large amount of cash or jewellery on me, that in anybodies opinion would be madness. So what`s the difference? Another example, I would not park my car with the key in it`s ignition, engine running hoping no one will steal it.

 

My point being, there are unscrupulous people out there that would do us harm if we leave ourselves vulnerable, so we use common sense and do the best to keep ourselves and our property safe.