Video G20: Trump leaves Argentine leader in the lurch - BBC News

[webfact]

 

 

 

President Donald Trump prematurely left the G20 stage following a handshake with President Macri of Argentina.

[Tug]

Guess all the money in the world can’t buy class on behalf of the majority of Americans I offer my humble apology hopefully he will be gone soon

[John P Ryke]

a monkey in a suit is still a monkey!!!!!!!!

[riclag]

After the hand shake  . Another let's do anything and everything to smear 

[Hank Gunn]

Misleading headline. He didn't know or forgot that he was supposed to stay on stage for a post handshake photo shoot. Understandable with all the meetings, photo-ops probably on his schedule. (He was the first one out and didn't see anyone else there, so it appeared to be a typical greeting line, where guest heads of state walk by and in turn are greeted by the host nation.)

 

I wonder if the headline would be the same if another world leader, who was the first to be greeted did the same thing. (Probably wouldn't even merit a mention.)

 

And before people jump on me as a "Trumptard", or a "DrumPfsupporter" or any other ridiculous ad-hominem, let me state that I regard both the Republicans and Democrats with equal disdain. (I voted once for a Republican president; Reagan for his first term, when I was first eligible to vote at 18. After that, I've voted strictly Libertarian both as a protest (realizing my chosen candidate would never gain office) and for a party that most closely aligns with my beliefs (which for those who don't fully understand, doesn't stand for unfettered, anarcho-capitalism or zero government).

 

Criticize the man for what he deserves to be criticized for, but jumping on him for these silly things only solidifies the far-right crazies who support him and drive those who are only marginally there, into that realm.

[bluebluewater]

I would bet a US dollar that he did not even know whom he was shaking hands with.

[mikebike]

48 minutes ago, Hank Gunn said:

He didn't know or forgot that he was supposed to stay on stage for a post handshake photo shoot. Understandable with all the meetings, photo-ops probably on his schedule

Funny how no other busy world leader "forgot" in 20 cycles... 45 just can't get a break... lol.

[Basil B]

If I am not center stage...

[billd766]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

After the hand shake  . Another let's do anything and everything to smear 

Trump is just being his usual ignorant and arrogant self.

 

He has been to quite a few functions like this and he is briefed every time by a WH staffer.

 

If I were the president of Argentina I would simply let him walk away. He wouldn't be missed very much.

[Hank Gunn]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

Funny how no other busy world leader "forgot" in 20 cycles... 45 just can't get a break... lol.

What was humorous about my post. If you don't see a clear bias in the media, then you are just as partisan as the so-called "Trumptards", etc. As I said, if any other president had done this, it wouldn't have been worth mentioning.

 

I saw no other leaders up there waiting for the photo shoot. So any of the others didn't need to remember. All they had to do was follow what everyone else was doing. But because Trump was first, there was no one else to follow.

 

Remember, this was a group photo, not a one-by-one, so you comment about the 20 other world leaders not forgetting is moot. All they had to do as they proceeded was to follow precedent, which was to stay on stage and wait for the remaining G20 leaders to arrive, shake hands, and then join the group. But to repeat my original point, because there was no "group" to join on stage when Trump got there, he just proceeded off stage.

[IAMHERE]

Why is a photo with Trump important? 

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, Hank Gunn said:

Misleading headline. He didn't know or forgot that he was supposed to stay on stage for a post handshake photo shoot. Understandable with all the meetings, photo-ops probably on his schedule. (He was the first one out and didn't see anyone else there, so it appeared to be a typical greeting line, where guest heads of state walk by and in turn are greeted by the host nation.)

 

I wonder if the headline would be the same if another world leader, who was the first to be greeted did the same thing. (Probably wouldn't even merit a mention.)

 

And before people jump on me as a "Trumptard", or a "DrumPfsupporter" or any other ridiculous ad-hominem, let me state that I regard both the Republicans and Democrats with equal disdain. (I voted once for a Republican president; Reagan for his first term, when I was first eligible to vote at 18. After that, I've voted strictly Libertarian both as a protest (realizing my chosen candidate would never gain office) and for a party that most closely aligns with my beliefs (which for those who don't fully understand, doesn't stand for unfettered, anarcho-capitalism or zero government).

 

Criticize the man for what he deserves to be criticized for, but jumping on him for these silly things only solidifies the far-right crazies who support him and drive those who are only marginally there, into that realm.

So your defence of him is that he is an idiot and cant follow instructions but needed to follow others. 

[Thailand]

And his staffers have to rally round and spin yet another dumb ass move from their charge. Must be incredibly frustrating although doubt if there is much of a queue for jobs at the WHouse with the revolving doors nowadays.

[sirineou]

23 minutes ago, sirineou said:

So your defence of him is that he is an idiot and cant follow instructions but needed to follow others. 

Thinking about it more, I wonder if Hunk Guns's theory is true and the second in line world leader who also had a lot of meetings before, followed Trump and also walked off stage and then the third, and the fourth and before long they were all wondering around like kittens looking for their mom?

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by sirineou

[billd766]

 

What was humorous about my post. If you don't see a clear bias in the media, then you are just as partisan as the so-called "Trumptards", etc. As I said, if any other president had done this, it wouldn't have been worth mentioning.

 

I saw no other leaders up there waiting for the photo shoot. So any of the others didn't need to remember. All they had to do was follow what everyone else was doing. But because Trump was first, there was no one else to follow.

 

Remember, this was a group photo, not a one-by-one, so you comment about the 20 other world leaders not forgetting is moot. All they had to do as they proceeded was to follow precedent, which was to stay on stage and wait for the remaining G20 leaders to arrive, shake hands, and then join the group. But to repeat my original point, because there was no "group" to join on stage when Trump got there, he just proceeded off stage.

How many times in the last 2 years has he been on a photo shoot? 

 

All Trump had to do was to wait on the stage for the others to join him. If he hasn't got the brains to understand that then I pity the people of the USA who voted such an idiot into the position of POTUS.

 

It isn't even rocket science.

[Hank Gunn]

 

So your defence of him is that he is an idiot and cant follow instructions but needed to follow others. 

Um no, but your comment only underscores one of the points I was trying to make. Besides, who's to know what instructions he was given beforehand. Maybe it was a simple, "Mr. President, first you're going to walk out and shake hands with the Venezuelan Pres. then when all of the other G20 leaders have done the same, there will be a group photo on the same stage." with no specific instructions to stay on the stage for the photo. The point is, we don't know the specifics according to the brief BBC video in the OP.

 

And with all that being considered, where was he supposed to stand exactly? If he stood to close, there'd be howls of him being an egomaniac trying to hog the spotlight. If he has stayed on stage but strayed too far, he would've been ridiculed for "awkwardly standing alone" off to the side. Dollars to doughnuts that if Obama had done the same thing, people would have been denigrating the "mickey mouse", banana republic, Latin American organizers or would have made an excuse for him like, "He was exhausted from a late night mtg. the night before combined with the long flight."

 

Again, I think there's a real double-standard here making a big deal out of such an inane incident. There are so many other things to be concerned about.

[Hank Gunn]

 

How many times in the last 2 years has he been on a photo shoot? 

 

All Trump had to do was to wait on the stage for the others to join him. If he hasn't got the brains to understand that then I pity the people of the USA who voted such an idiot into the position of POTUS.

 

It isn't even rocket science.

But you miss my point. Maybe he didn't receive specific instructions to remain on stage and was only told that there would be a group photo shoot after everyone was received by the pres. of Argentina. So in that case, he figured he'd wait off stage and then everyone would be brought back out for the shoot. Certainly a plausible scenario.

 

Again, I'm not defending the man, I just think that with all that was shown in the OP it seems like an over reaction and I highly doubt if it were someone else that it would have even been mentioned.

[mikebike]

 

Besides, who's to know what instructions he was given beforehand.

Oh for cripes sakes. Even my company had protocol officers to brief staff travelling abroad. The White House is full of them. A more likely scenario is that 45 believes these briefings to be unintelligible gobbledygook sans pictures to entertain and just ignores them.

Edited December 3, 2018 by mikebike

[Skallywag]

 

Um no, but your comment only underscores one of the points I was trying to make. Besides, who's to know what instructions he was given beforehand. 

Again, I think there's a real double-standard here making a big deal out of such an inane incident. There are so many other things to be concerned about.

It continually confounds me as how stupid and non-newsworthy the "news" is these days especially when covering POTUS....Trump is not a politician - he will not follow orders - he shows disdain for people - yet he hasnt changed one iota since he began running for president in 2016 - YET - after almost 2 years in office - reporters keep thinking he has done something profound or nonpresidential, like it is news.  Again he isnt a politician and likely cares less how people want him to act.  He is a businessman who became POTUS of the USA, the most arrogant country in the world -  think he fits right in, but people wont admit it.  

[billd766]

 

But you miss my point. Maybe he didn't receive specific instructions to remain on stage and was only told that there would be a group photo shoot after everyone was received by the pres. of Argentina. So in that case, he figured he'd wait off stage and then everyone would be brought back out for the shoot. Certainly a plausible scenario.

 

Again, I'm not defending the man, I just think that with all that was shown in the OP it seems like an over reaction and I highly doubt if it were someone else that it would have even been mentioned.

Yes you are defending the man.

 

After 2 years of photo shoots I am sure that even the village idiot would know what to do without being prompted.

 

Assume he has done 2 photo shoots a week. That would mean he has done it at least 100 times before, and yet he STILL has to be told what to do and where to go?

[mikebike]

 

It continually confounds me as how stupid and non-newsworthy the "news" is these days especially when covering POTUS....Trump is not a politician - he will not follow orders - he shows disdain for people - yet he hasnt changed one iota since he began running for president in 2016 - YET - after almost 2 years in office - reporters keep thinking he has done something profound or nonpresidential, like it is news.  Again he isnt a politician and likely cares less how people want him to act.  He is a businessman who became POTUS of the USA, the most arrogant country in the world -  think he fits right in, but people wont admit it.  

Being politically anti-establishment, if that is what you believe 45 to be, isnt an excuse to ignore diplimatic courtesy and decorum. (... courtesy and decorum...something 45 apparently feels very strongly about when it is the press tranagressing rather than him).

[hugocnx]

Yikes, TV Trump haters by default. Meanwhile having a mouthful about hate speech. Get a life.

[Skallywag]

Think its time for the USA to realize the executive branch of government has way too much power and the 2 party system does not protect democracy. 3 branches of government but POTUS running all 3 - no more checks and balances.  

[Srikcir]

Trump leaves Argentine leader in the lurch

 

Actually looking like Lurch (Addams Family):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lClaQLsBb-4

 

[bristolboy]

 

Yikes, TV Trump haters by default. Meanwhile having a mouthful about hate speech. Get a life.

You're confused. Anti trump speech may or may not be prompted by hatred. But it's the content of the speech that qualifies it as hate speech, not the alleged motivation behind it. Get a grip.

Edited December 3, 2018 by bristolboy

[Hank Gunn]

 

Yes you are defending the man.

 

After 2 years of photo shoots I am sure that even the village idiot would know what to do without being prompted.

 

Assume he has done 2 photo shoots a week. That would mean he has done it at least 100 times before, and yet he STILL has to be told what to do and where to go?

Okay, yes I am defending the man, but only in this stupid situation. What I meant is I don't defend his whole presidency.

 

But you're coming up with a stupid argument. Your'e saying he's had 2 photo shoots a week where he's gone on stage to meet and greet a guest leader, then stay on stage while 19 other leaders waltz in and do the same, then get together for a group photo. Yeah, I don't think so, unless you can point that out. (Yes he's been photographed a couple of times a week while in office, speaking to the press or meeting other dignitaries one on one in the Oval Office or in another where he or both are seated.)

 

Look, I'm just saying it's just a stupid thing to criticize him for. As I said in a previous post, he may have thought he was supposed to wait off stage and then after everyone else had met with the Argentinian pres. they would all go out for the group photo. Him walking off stage was no major diplomatic breach (unlike his name-calling of other world leaders) and was not him "leaving anyone in the lurch". Just ridiculous hyperbole. Again, my point is the hypocrisy in making a big deal out a minor social gaffe, where if the same had occurred with any other president, the press would have been mum. 

[Hank Gunn]

 

Being politically anti-establishment, if that is what you believe 45 to be, isnt an excuse to ignore diplimatic courtesy and decorum. (... courtesy and decorum...something 45 apparently feels very strongly about when it is the press tranagressing rather than him).

So in this case, where exactly were his transgressions in regards to "diplomatic courtesy and decorum"? He made the mistake of continuing off stage rather than wait and stand there.

 

And it's silly for the BBC to say he left the pres. of Argentina "in the lurch" as if he was the one organizing everyone on stage and taking the picture like he was there to take the class photo. All he had to do was stand there with a stupid grin and greet the rest of the G20 leaders. It was the event organizers who had to deal with him walking off the stage.

[Hank Gunn]

 

Think its time for the USA to realize the executive branch of government has way too much power and the 2 party system does not protect democracy. 3 branches of government but POTUS running all 3 - no more checks and balances.  

Unfortunately that trend has been occurring (the executive branch trying to gain more power) for the last few decades.

 

Ever since Ross Perot's relatively successful campaign and his performance in the presidential debates, the two main parties (Repubs and Dems) have now essentially locked out third party candidates from the debates. A lawyer for the Libertarian party and Gary Johnson (the Libertarian candidate) tried, unsuccessfully, to sue to allow other parties into the televised presidential debates. (In a way, you could say that the US is a lot like Thailand in that the two major political parties are like the Thai oligarchs, trying to protect their seats at the proverbial trough. They don't want any other parties budding in. Remember that there are no limits on "soft donations" [those made to a party and not a specific candidate] so those two parties have a strong motive to keep others away.)

 

Sadly, most Americans are deluded that there is a true democracy. You have only to look at the Saudi donations to the Clinton foundation, the big bank donations to the Clinton campaign and to both the Dem and Republican parties (as well as other large corp. donations to both Dems and Repubs) to realize that America is and has been run by a corporate oligarchy. You get enough frustration from all of this, and the result is a Trump as president. And then you get the stupid simps who worry about where on a stage Trump has walked to rather than things like, why was the Patriot Act (which allows the US govt to spy on its citizens) broadened rather than curtailed or even canceled under Obama, who touted himself as someone for civil rights, or why is Trump fighting the right battle with China (protection of IP rights and more access to markets) but using the wrong tool in tariffs (as just a couple examples).

Edited December 3, 2018 by Hank Gunn

[bendejo]

Exhausted from all that winning, obviously.

 

His talent is riling up the poorly educated (a term for his devoted followers he used during his campaign) and keeping the press' attention with twitter rants.  Having to meet with world leaders and entering discussions that last for more than 90 seconds, well, he knows that's beyond him and it's not what he signed up for.

He knows he really stepped in it when he addressed the UN and went into his usual Love Me Rally routine and they laughed at him.

 

 

[alex8912]

 

Unfortunately that trend has been occurring (the executive branch trying to gain more power) for the last few decades.

 

Ever since Ross Perot's relatively successful campaign and his performance in the presidential debates, the two main parties (Repubs and Dems) have now essentially locked out third party candidates from the debates. A lawyer for the Libertarian party and Gary Johnson (the Libertarian candidate) tried, unsuccessfully, to sue to allow other parties into the televised presidential debates. (In a way, you could say that the US is a lot like Thailand in that the two major political parties are like the Thai oligarchs, trying to protect their seats at the proverbial trough. They don't want any other parties budding in. Remember that there are no limits on "soft donations" [those made to a party and not a specific candidate] so those two parties have a strong motive to keep others away.)

 

Sadly, most Americans are deluded that there is a true democracy. You have only to look at the Saudi donations to the Clinton foundation, the big bank donations to the Clinton campaign and to both the Dem and Republican parties (as well as other large corp. donations to both Dems and Repubs) to realize that America is and has been run by a corporate oligarchy. You get enough frustration from all of this, and the result is a Trump as president. And then you get the stupid simps who worry about where on a stage Trump has walked to rather than things like, why was the Patriot Act (which allows the US govt to spy on its citizens) broadened rather than curtailed or even canceled under Obama, who touted himself as someone for civil rights, or why is Trump fighting the right battle with China (protection of IP rights and more access to markets) but using the wrong tool in tariffs (as just a couple examples).

Hmm.  The silence is a little deafening,  so your common sense is actually being heard.  What’s really sad is what IS news these days.  What’s even sadder is the USA is probably never going to have a great president again and as you and pure facts have mentioned we have not had one for a long time. I’m neither a Republican or Democrat.