bubbaba Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I would like to know any and all reasons one can come up with for not registering their marriage at the Ampure office. Since one can hide their true identity when posting on here lets be honest and lay it all out. All reasons a Falang or a Thai would use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Because they don't want to be married, but don't mind going through the meaningless Buddhist ritual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carib Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 When officially married in Thailand, it is registered at the amphur, that is the place where you get married. The buddhist backyard ceremony is not official, as far as the law is concerned one is not officially married having done a ceremony like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Not having the correct paperwork. Cant be bothered to get it. Dont want to legally "tie" together until proven relationship. (Gold digger) Cant, because present relationship hasnt been legally dissolved.(still married) Didnt know you had to. Believes everything "she" told him.(doesnt know about Amphur). "He" states it isnt recognised in his country, it has to be done there. (meaning: he doesnt want to legally do it,) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 It keeps you open to "marrying" another easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 hours ago, BritManToo said: Because they don't want to be married, but don't mind going through the meaningless Buddhist ritual. As the spiritual and familiar ceremony is considered to be more valuable and legitimate than an invented documentation certifying as such - it's still quite the fashion [without the Amphoe registration] among a goodly percentage..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drayger Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 In my experience 20 years married to Thai wife its not been a problem for me but a problem for the wife as she has my family name anything official seems to require a photo copy of my passport and my signature, only recently just for a insurance policy she wished to take out for herself could not be done without my consent as I work away for long periods of time it can be a bit annoying for her we wouldn't have bothered if we had the foresight of the problems to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I realise this a long shot, but you did ask for all possible reasons. Aussie Centerlink reduced pension payment if married. Official marriage info is on record and can be accessed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Oh, FYI, I'm on a retirement extension so not personally affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 13 hours ago, bubbaba said: I would like to know any and all reasons one can come up with for not registering their marriage at the Amphoe office. Because we officially married in Bangkok and got our marriage certs their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suitcase Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, drayger said: In my experience 20 years married to Thai wife its not been a problem for me but a problem for the wife as she has my family name anything official seems to require a photo copy of my passport and my signature, only recently just for a insurance policy she wished to take out for herself could not be done without my consent as I work away for long periods of time it can be a bit annoying for her we wouldn't have bothered if we had the foresight of the problems to come I would think it would be easy to change it back to an unmarried status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timendres Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 The better question is "Why would anyone officially register their marriage here?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lung Mike Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 When a Thai person is married to a foreigner, the officialdom will consider that person from there on to be a walking ATM. My wife and I did a Thai-Chinese tea ceremony for the family but we did not officially get married. This makes it easier for the Thai person to own properties without being harassed by the local officials. There are plenty of visa options, so marrying is not necessary for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 When married legally, there is no reason to further 'register' that marriage anywhere. It's legal and recognised in most countries. I'm not sure what the OP means. A temple wedding is not legal and cannot be registered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amplish Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Married abroad, pain in the neck to get all the paper work translated and officiated and as someone mentioned, not being officially married facilitates certain transactions, especially land purchases. It was never a problem getting a visa extension based on being married (until I hit my 50s). In my mind, there is very little benefit in registering a marriage in Thailand on top of a legal marriage abroad. Our kids have my surname and double nationality. I am more interested to know why anyone would register their marriage at the Amphur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Married to my Thai wife in Taiwan 30 years ago. All paperwork in Chinese certified by the Thai embassy in HK. Never registered in Thailand and never had any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l4ml4m Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 because they are not stupid enough to be really married ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, timendres said: The better question is "Why would anyone officially register their marriage here?" If you don't, you're not married. You just have a girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbaba Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 In answer to several questions about why you would register your marriage. A marriage in Thailand is not legally recognized in Thailand and/or USA if it is not registered in the Ampure Office in Thailand. If you married in Thailand and did not register the marriage, you are still single. I do not know about other countries. Also I would think that anyone who really was serious about his/her marriage would want it registered so as to be legally married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumarianson Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Having had a child here there is no benegit to marriage as you have to produce more paperwork than if you apply for an extension on retirement grounds. The Thai government are bias and raciest toward farang who marry Thai citizens. Why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenm Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 If you simply have a "marriage" ceremony with family and monks officiating, legally you are still single and living in a defacto type relationship.. But to family and friends you're married.. If the marriage is made official by registering it at the local amphur office, then and only then, you are legally husband and wife.. And when legally married, then any assets accumulated after that date are split 50/50% on breakdown and divorce.. So if you have many assets as a farang, you could lose so much.. If you purchase one or more condos, a business interest, lots of furniture etc after you are legally married you could get burnt badly on a break up.. Could cost you a fortune.. But if unregistered marriage, your assets are your assets only.. Cannot legally be touched by your partner or former partner.. If you don't register the marriage, by Thai law you are still legally single, thus protecting yourself from a potential gold digger.. Also, many countries paying OAP, have a much lowered pension rate for a married couple compared to still being single.. If married legally, and your wife is much younger and of working age still, then the pension paid is treated differently.. Your partner is working, so your pension can be reduced accordingly.. I know with Australia, to maximise your age pension, you try to hide the fact that you are married.. If not officially registered you're OK, but if registered through your amphur, the government can find out, then suddenly your aged pension is reduced accordingly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunPer Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/10/2018 at 4:09 PM, bubbaba said: ...any and all reasons one can come up with for not registering their marriage at the Ampure office For Thais the "village marriage" is "legal", as everybody in the family and village knows the couple are married, sin sot is paid, and a party held for relatives and villagers – you are considered husband and wife, when you sleep together, married or not. In case something goes wrong between the marriage couple, it's easy to dissolve; i.e. just split and that's it; paperwork at an amphor office just makes everything unnecessary complicated. It's just like living together with a girlfriend without any paperwork, which can also work out fine – might even work better than marriage, as you stay together because you want to stay together, not because of paperwork that is complicated to dissolve – my lovely Thai girlfriend and I have so far managed 15-years now without any paperwork...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyL Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Amplish said: Married abroad, pain in the neck to get all the paper work translated and officiated and as someone mentioned, not being officially married facilitates certain transactions, especially land purchases. It was never a problem getting a visa extension based on being married (until I hit my 50s). In my mind, there is very little benefit in registering a marriage in Thailand on top of a legal marriage abroad. Our kids have my surname and double nationality. I am more interested to know why anyone would register their marriage at the Amphur. We were similar. In terms of purchasing a car and property in both our names it was far easier doing so being legally married here as well is in the UK. That was probably the only reason we registered it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denim Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 On 12/11/2018 at 7:56 AM, drayger said: In my experience 20 years married to Thai wife its not been a problem for me but a problem for the wife as she has my family name anything official seems to require a photo copy of my passport and my signature, only recently just for a insurance policy she wished to take out for herself could not be done without my consent as I work away for long periods of time it can be a bit annoying for her we wouldn't have bothered if we had the foresight of the problems to come These days a woman is not required to change her maiden name when getting married. You have a choice. We married but my wife retained her maiden name as I could see the possible disadvantages you mention. Being married you can apply for a one year visa extension with less money in the bank than a retirement extension. Married or not , if you live with your partner several years it can be treated as a common law marriage and each side has certain rights with regard to shared collateral. I was told this by a Thai lawyer but have not checked the veracity of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 So you can marry again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglekott Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 On 12/10/2018 at 10:37 PM, CharlieH said: Not having the correct paperwork. Cant be bothered to get it. Dont want to legally "tie" together until proven relationship. (Gold digger) Cant, because present relationship hasnt been legally dissolved.(still married) Didnt know you had to. Believes everything "she" told him.(doesnt know about Amphur). "He" states it isnt recognised in his country, it has to be done there. (meaning: he doesnt want to legally do it,) Maybe "she" is actually a "he" and can not have the paperwork done, at least not yet ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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