Mass shooting HORROR in Thailand as man GUNS DOWN 7 people

[Catoni]

16 minutes ago, JMSIII said:

I disagree with what you say.  I'm American and I carried a gun everyday at work for the Government for 20 years, and I have owned several personal weapons over the years.  Using a gun on innocent people is about as cowardly and disgusting as it gets.  I have never once thought about grabbing a gun when I have gotten pissed off at someone.  However, I would shoot in self defense, if I have too.  Thankfully I never pulled the trigger while on duty.  But I have held people at gunpoint.

 

With all that being said...It has nothing to do with Law Enforcement, laws that are in place, greed, Capitalism, or gun control.  It has everything to do with Mental Illness.  To blame Capitalism is very foolish and obviously you do not understand what true Capitalism is.  True Capitalism is not about greed, it's about competition.  However, I do agree with you about when money becomes a persons GOD, not good!  And, Capitalism in America today, is not the true Capitalism of decades ago.

 

You have to be Mentally Ill and seriously deranged to open fire on innocent people.  If a gun was not available to this guy.  Then he probably would done as many other Thai's have done, and what happens in China and London on a regular basis.  Knife attacks.

Many “types” of capitalism. The two biggest being “monopoly capitalism” like the big I.T. companies and Rockefeller’s in the U.S. and the Rothschilds in Europe try to pull off..... (Old John D. Rockefeller used to say “Competition is a sin.” They’re actually socialists posing as Republicans. Wolves in sheep’s clothing.)

   Then there is the good capitalism of free enterprise, competitive capitalism. 

 

[NoshowJones]

36 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said:

You missed out the "It seems that" part. Please stop quoting only parts of my post and taking things out of context.

I am only replying to what you have said.

[metempsychotic]

20 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How do they know that?

He shot himself before they arrived.

Presumably someone lived to tell the tale. 

 

I would have thought that was obvious. 

[JMSIII]

6 minutes ago, Catoni said:

Many “types” of capitalism. The two biggest being “monopoly capitalism” like the big I.T. companies and Rockefeller’s in the U.S. and the Rothschilds in Europe try to pull off..... (Old John D. Rockefeller used to say “Competition is a sin.” They’re actually socialists posing as Republicans. Wolves in sheep’s clothing.)

   Then there is the good capitalism of free enterprise, competitive capitalism. 

 

I absolutely agree with you, very true!

[BigC]

No wonder they didn't like him.

 

Please tell me he used an unlicensed gun

[BigC]

26 minutes ago, JMSIII said:

No not even close.  Chicago's problem with gun related homicides is black gang related.  And that's with Chicago having just about the strictest gun control in the country.  The bad guys will always have guns, because bad guys don't follow the law.  Sadly, Obama wanted to enforce Federal gun control on all of us, but yet his home town of Chicago is the worst in the nation for homicides.  He has done nothing to help Chicago PD be proactive were the violence is.

 

Sadly in Thailand, Thai's are too quick to become angry and violent.  If this guy didn't have a gun, he would have used a knife or a blunt object.  Mental Illness is the problem.

I agree I have had access to firearms for about 20 years and never pulled it out on someone even when in extreme rage.

 

Purely for self defense and even then I don't really want to shoot as there is always a chance I could end up in jail even self defence.

 

On the other hand illegal firearms which are brought purely for assassination are always going to be available in every country across the globe 

 

Doesn't necessarily mean that all guns brought without licences have the intent to assassinate.ao people cannot affo4d licenses or cannot obtain them legally but have a family to protect

I myself have had mental illness in the past and never pulled out a gun even in extreme rage with the gun in arms Lenth away

 

[hotchilli]

Who takes a gun to a family party ????

Thailand 2019 god help all innocent people.

[Top Chef]

This is only the beginning.....A society that's repressive....corruption at every level.....a court system that honors the rich....abusive behavior by officials (elected and appointed) and local business owners as well. People are feeling frustrated, Thais and expats alike. IMHO As the gap gets wider (between rich and poor), violence will serve to be the order of the day. The poorly educated, of course, are the culprits and really, education is the key to a progressive society. Weather it's scholastic education or road safety, respect of others, fear of the law. I could go on and on about this. 

Thailand is a wonderful country and at one time it deserved the monikers "Land of Smiles" and "Amazing". But ever since Democracy was introduced, this marvelous paradise has plummeted to depths of which even decent Thais can't believe, The place has become morally bankrupt. Ergo, a malignant police state has reared its ugly head. And people have and will react in ever increasing violent ways. I've predicted this metamorphosis a very long time ago and unfortunately my predictions have come to fruition. I wish we could turn back the hands of time. I love Thailand. ????????????

[canthai55]

22 hours ago, TSF said:

So many these Thai males have zero control, make em angry and its a murderous rage. All you can do is warn people...don't go to Thailand, if you do give the males a wide berth, don't try to interact with them. Don't ever ever try to be funny and crack a joke...that's like playing with a hand grenade.

Maybe where you live

[luk AJ]

I agree I have had access to firearms for about 20 years and never pulled it out on someone even when in extreme rage.
 
Purely for self defense and even then I don't really want to shoot as there is always a chance I could end up in jail even self defence.
 
On the other hand illegal firearms which are brought purely for assassination are always going to be available in every country across the globe 
 
Doesn't necessarily mean that all guns brought without licences have the intent to assassinate.ao people cannot affo4d licenses or cannot obtain them legally but have a family to protect
I myself have had mental illness in the past and never pulled out a gun even in extreme rage with the gun in arms Lenth away
 

If you had a mental illness, why take the risk of having a gun?


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[rumak]

Before the gang jumps on me for being a "thai apologist"...... that I ain't.   Just call a spade a spade (except in the presence of black people, of course)  .  Then i call them Somchais, but they never seem to get it .

Edited January 2, 2019 by rumak

[Purdey]

Having seen how Thai parents have no control over their children, it isn't surprising they grow up to be selfish, self-centered and self-indulgent as adults. Once drunk, the feeling of entitlement grows into a rage pretty easily.

[jslabbert52]

This happens all over the world. To say dont go to Thailand is absolutely rediculous especially coming from a foreigner living in Pattaya. The USA as more gun related killings than Thailand and you say please dont go to Thailand!!! Why are you then still livin there? Condolences to the innocent victims.

[rumak]

Just now, jslabbert52 said:

This happens all over the world. To say dont go to Thailand is absolutely rediculous especially coming from a foreigner living in Pattaya. The USA as more gun related killings than Thailand and you say please dont go to Thailand!!! Why are you then still livin there? Condolences to the innocent victims.

DAMN.........a newbie with more sense than so many on here 

[donim]

The survivor, who acted dead by lying still on the floor after hit in the stomach, told the story which my wife explained to me.

The mother in law was bullying her son in law for a long time, she didn't liked her and every time has a big mouth to him. We don't know if she was sick in her head or really had a bad son in law. But he did warned her, if she opens her bad mouth again to him, he will kill her and her family, so that just happened that night. It turned the man blind from anger (really what's going on on this.. happening more and more) and shoots everyone.

[jslabbert52]

5 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Having seen how Thai parents have no control over their children, it isn't surprising they grow up to be selfish, self-centered and self-indulgent as adults. Once drunk, the feeling of entitlement grows into a rage pretty easily.

Thai parents? Really, rather say PARENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD! Kids are no longer disciplined that is the problem. Look how it goes in the USA schools. Dont stereotype. 

[Jane Dough]

22 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:

Lack of any effective law enforcement over the past 20 years or so has seen a proliferation of firearms, drugs etc. on a prolific scale. It seems that every Somchai and his dog are tooled up, which doesn't bode well for the future.

The proliferation goes back a lot longer than twenty years. Try when the Portuguese introduced canons about 500 years ago.

 

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[elektrified]

How horrific! Why kill his own young children? What horrible news. He obviously had severe anger/emotional issues.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, Rocket Hawks said:

These sorts of incidents are almost unheard of in Thailand. They are the daily standard in the United States which has draconian laws and heavy policing. All the insane laws in America don’t seem to be doing much good in this regard. Murder rates in the US have never been higher. 

 

More and effective law enforcement is not the solution. This is all just the inevitability of capitalism and unfortunately the American way is slowly taking over Thailand. There is no answer for Godless culture where feelings of greed, envy, jealousy, and hatred begin to take over the human spirit. This is what capitalism does, it drives people over the edge. It’s not drugs, it’s not guns, it’s not lack of effective policing. It’s capitalism. 

 

Thailand has remarkably low levels of violent crime given its poverty levels and I’ve always contributed that to Buddhism. But the almighty dollar is a powerful thing and has a way of promoting a Godless culture where people no longer fear things like Karma and the afterlife. Their God becomes money and when that happens, you get a lot more violent crime.

 

I think there's a bunch of factually questionable assertions in your comment above.

 

1. I seriously doubt the "murder rate" in the U.S. has never been higher.

 

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Despite a significant increase in the sales of firearms since 1994, the US has seen a drop in the annual rate of homicides using a firearm from 7.0 per 100,000 population in 1993 to 3.6 per 100,000.^[59]

 

2. You say Thailand has remarkably low levels of violent crime for its situation. But the Reuters article linked at the early part of this thread cited a 2016 study that found Thailand has the highest rate of gun related deaths in the region by far.

 

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According to 2016 data from the University of Washington, Thailand had the highest reported rate of gun-related deaths out of 10 countries in Asia. It was about 50 percent higher than the Philippines, which was second on the list.

 

3. More and effective law enforcement IS the solution, along with sensible, enforced limits on gun ownership. The U.S. has reasonably effective law enforcement. But unfortunately, what it lacks are sensible limits on gun possession/ownership. In Thailand's case, Thailand has pretty much zero effective law enforcement, so while it has laws against gun possession, in reality, guns here are commonplace.

 

4. I'm not even going to bother to address your rants on capitalism and Buddhism as they relate to crime and gun violence. Except to say, The Nation described the shooter in this case as follows:

 

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Somporn said Sucheep was released in November from the Nakhon Si Thammarat Prison where he had been jailed for three years for attempted murder. It was reported that he was unemployed, often drunk and had on many occasions threatened to kill the family.

 

I think it's pretty safe to conclude, the shooter's problems here may have been many, but almost certainly not primarily the result of being subjected to capitalist influences.

 

Edited January 2, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[outsider]

When I don't think I am welcomed, I just walk away. Of course there will be silent cursing and swearing within myself, but nothing a few cold beers and a good night's sleep can't solve. What is wrong with these Thais males - who use bullets as the one-and-only solution to EVERYTHING? It is not just a new level of 'low', it redefines what a 'small-minded dickless <deleted>' is.

[kannot]

1 hour ago, Top Chef said:

This is only the beginning.....A society that's repressive....corruption at every level.....a court system that honors the rich....abusive behavior by officials (elected and appointed) and local business owners as well. People are feeling frustrated, Thais and expats alike. IMHO As the gap gets wider (between rich and poor), violence will serve to be the order of the day. The poorly educated, of course, are the culprits and really, education is the key to a progressive society. Weather it's scholastic education or road safety, respect of others, fear of the law. I could go on and on about this. 

Thailand is a wonderful country and at one time it deserved the monikers "Land of Smiles" and "Amazing". But ever since Democracy was introduced, this marvelous paradise has plummeted to depths of which even decent Thais can't believe, The place has become morally bankrupt. Ergo, a malignant police state has reared its ugly head. And people have and will react in ever increasing violent ways. I've predicted this metamorphosis a very long time ago and unfortunately my predictions have come to fruition. I wish we could turn back the hands of time. I love Thailand. ????????????

Could always  play some more of "that" music theres  no escape from, and dont forget to dress in traditional Thai clothing which virtually no one ever  wore.

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, kannot said:

1 hour ago, Top Chef said:

This is only the beginning.....A society that's repressive....corruption at every level.....a court system that honors the rich....abusive behavior by officials (elected and appointed) and local business owners as well. People are feeling frustrated, Thais and expats alike. IMHO As the gap gets wider (between rich and poor), violence will serve to be the order of the day. The poorly educated, of course, are the culprits and really, education is the key to a progressive society. Weather it's scholastic education or road safety, respect of others, fear of the law. I could go on and on about this. 

Thailand is a wonderful country and at one time it deserved the monikers "Land of Smiles" and "Amazing". But ever since Democracy was introduced, this marvelous paradise has plummeted to depths of which even decent Thais can't believe, The place has become morally bankrupt. Ergo, a malignant police state has reared its ugly head. And people have and will react in ever increasing violent ways. I've predicted this metamorphosis a very long time ago and unfortunately my predictions have come to fruition. I wish we could turn back the hands of time. I love Thailand. ????????????

I left the states 30 years ago........ for all the reasons you state above.   Come on out to rural thailand (pick wisely)......... there are still some pretty nice places to live !   If you can do without the beer bars that is.

[Dap]

Sigh, so sad.

[JMSIII]

49 minutes ago, jslabbert52 said:

Thai parents? Really, rather say PARENTS ALL OVER THE WORLD! Kids are no longer disciplined that is the problem. Look how it goes in the USA schools. Dont stereotype. 

Being a product of the American education system in the 60's and 70's, what goes on today in American schools is both shocking and disgusting.  You have teachers "teaching" from Kindergarten on, that parents are not allowed to discipline kids at home.  The kids are taught if a parent disciplines their child, the child tells the teacher, the teacher calls Child Protective Services.  Very sad but true.  This is all because of the ultra liberal left is in complete control of our education system.  When I was young and in school this behavior would never have been tolerated or allowed.

[Cereal]

23 hours ago, dcsw53 said:

Another tragic instance of someone who would seem to have had mental health issues.
The government needs to invest in providing support to vulnerable people, so we can slow this almost daily reporting of someone doing a vicious act because of a deranged mental state. There are too many unbalanced people here grabbing guns or knives seeking revenge for the most trivial of matters. Road rage, feeling disrespected, marital issues, grab a weapon and let's get even.

Who knows it could eventually be safe to live here.

 

Agreed. It's called FTMES

 

Fragile Thai Male Ego Syndrome

[stormrider45]

23 hours ago, DrTuner said:

That's what happens when the boys are dumped to the grannies care and given free berth with zero discipline, they aren't able to deal with daily reality. This country has a long, looooooong way to go.

And you guys don't see this happening elsewhere, like in the USA, its a common occurrence.

[sawadee1947]

That is a result when everybody can have a gun. 

(it's a message even to my American friends) 

[anon537687643]

And you guys don't see this happening elsewhere, like in the USA, its a common occurrence.

Yeah common place! USA and Thailand cheeks of the..... you know what


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[balo]

Not only the gun laws they should look at , but the free flow of alcohol in this country.

Increase the price on Thai whiskey so they can't buy it for the same price as fried chicken. 

 

[Benmart]

22 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Would you make the same comment about Americans in the aftermath of one of their, far more frequent, mass shootings?

I was waiting for the US to be brought up in this tragedy that has no connection. Check murder by firearms per capita around the world. It may educate you and perhaps help you to leave comparisons where they belong...in your head.