services per km

[theonetrueaussie]

Just wondering what should be done on the clicks I get the oil changed every 1000km roughly which is once a month. Belt should be done at 20,000 km if i remember correctly but what about air filters and other stuff. Would be great to hear from someone that knows, I have a click 125i.

[ktm jeff]

Who told you that  an oil change is needed every month ?.  Refer to the owners manual / look on-line. Oil change once every 5000 KM , OR , once per year , whatever comes up first. Fully synthetic oil will handle the heat better , and costs 350 Baht per liter. Semi synthetic is OK and costs 250 Baht. Belt and spark plug should do 4 or 5 years average and air filter blown out every year if you ride in a dusty environment / replaced every 3 years .Cooling system flush and brake fluid change is about every 4 years. Find a good independent mechanic.

[jackdd]

The service intervals are in your owners manual.

Oil change should be at intervals of maybe 10,000 or 12,000km

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, ktm jeff said:

Who told you that  an oil change is needed every month ?.

Where he bought the scoot I guess, usually a money maker told to people who don't the service book. ???? 

[theonetrueaussie]

Nah no one told me once a month but lets face it, it's 120THB, they change the oil, tighten the brakes, pump up the tyres and off I go. It's just so cheap and convenient that I don't really mind. I bought the bike when it had done 6k and now up to 16k so wondering if it needed new air filter or not or anything else doing to it, at 20k do you change the belt or wait longer?

[papa al]

16K on an air filter seems a lot.

If you belt is bad you will know it.

[Agusts]

16 hours ago, papa al said:

16K on an air filter seems a lot.

If you belt is bad you will know it.

How...!? 

 

I had a rented Yamaha Mio that broke belt at 80km/h, fortunately it didn't jam or anything but I didn't feel anything wrong immediately before or days before it went... 

 

I was on an empty highway going full throttle,  then I saw a car upfront,  let go of throttle completely for a a few seconds,  then noticed the car is actually going really fast,  so I got piece of mind,  turn to full throttle again, okay,  maybe a bit to fast, and then I heard it snapped.... 

[JonnyF]

I'm not bashing, but I prefer to let Thai mechanics near my bike as infrequently as possible, so if the manual says every 5000 kms then that's what I'd do. Doing it every 1000 kms gives them 5 times as many chances to screw something up and is a total waste of time and money. Simple things like oil and filters I do myself anyway.

 

Also, if they are pumping up the tyres, check the PSI as they are probably massively over inflated. I had a rear tyre blow out on my Yamaha Nouvo shortly after a service when I hit a pothole doing about 50 kph on Phetchaburi Road, scared the sheeit out me as I managed to weave to a halt in heavy traffic. While replacing the rear tube, I checked the front and it had been inflated to almost 70 PSI. I was lucky it was the rear that blew or I'd have gone down.  

 

In terms of belts, the Yamahas tend to give a very distinctive whine when they need replacing, you'll hear this on a lot of old Mio's and Nouvo's. I think it's due at 28,000 on my Nouvo.

[thaiguzzi]

On 2/3/2019 at 8:33 AM, jackdd said:

Oil change should be at intervals of maybe 10,000 or 12,000km

Far, far too long.

I service a bunch of air cooled scooters/mopeds, and have done some for over 80k kms,  and i like to change the oil at 3k, especially Waves that run 0.7 litres of oil which has to lubricate a 4 speed gearbox as well.

It's not like we are dumping and replacing 3-4 litres of top notch brand oil here.

ShIt, 0.7 litres of straight 30 Honda oil is 80 Baht...

[ktm jeff]

Do you , and why , prefer the straight 30 over a 10/30 or 10/40 multigrade. Or is it just a wave thing.

[guzzi850m2]

On our scooters we never changed belts. As mentioned you can hear when it time and I can't hear anything sooo.

 

Air-filters block up quickly here in LOS, you can get the mechanic to blow them out (from the inside!) with comp air but still consider changing them every 2nd year. I can always fell that the scoot got a vee bit more power when a new air-filter is fitted. 

 

Yes tire pressure is important for safety and tire life, my wife destroyed one rear tire on my pcx because she ran it with very low pressure when I was overseas working and the wires in the tire got out of shape. I was not a happy camper when I got home and found out my new expensive rear tire was xxxxxx.

 

One time I screwed myself up when I got the battery on the pcx changed, it was a very old one they fitted and it broke down 8 month later and I looked at the manufacturer date, +5 years old. Now I always check the manufacturing date before they fit it, which is also important on tires.

 

Oil change is per manual or once per year as mentioned.  

[ballpoint]

If you're measuring it in services per km, then you aren't riding it enough.

[thaiguzzi]

11 hours ago, ktm jeff said:

Do you , and why , prefer the straight 30 over a 10/30 or 10/40 multigrade. Or is it just a wave thing.

Yes.

Waves et al have an all bearing bottom end, mains and b/end.

As do all Brit singles (and most other singles - except the Honda CRF250L - funny that - innit), and HD etc.

I was brought up, taught, & learned that a straight weight is better in this type of design.

Once an engine starts using shell brgs for b/ends, then, generally, but not always,  a multigrade is better.

Although i have often run Brit parallel twins on a straight 40w in the summer and straight 30w in the winter.

Honda sells the straight 30w for a reason.

The Autos are a completely different ballgame, as they don't run a gearbox, and i generally stick the manufacturers recommended oil in, ie Yamalube Auto for Finos etc. Which i believe is a multigrade.

[ktm jeff]

Thanks TG. Every day can be a skool day.

[Lacessit]

I had my Yamaha serviced at a Yamaha centre in Chiang Mai. They told me it needed servicing every 1000 km. I asked them why the owner's manual recommended servicing every 4000 km. Showed them the manual. Embarrassed silence.

The trend here with cars and scooters/motorbikes seems to be service mechanics will try it on if they think you don't know.

 

[thequietman]

On 2/3/2019 at 8:33 AM, jackdd said:

The service intervals are in your owners manual.

Oil change should be at intervals of maybe 10,000 or 12,000km

My pcx burns a lot of oil. 100 km's a day for 5 days a week. After 2 months, almost empty.

 

Exhaust is clean and 23000 on the clock. No leaks any where or I would notice it on the concrete where it is parked.

 

Y is it burning so much guys?

[papa al]

38 minutes ago, thequietman said:

My pcx burns a lot of oil. 100 km's a day for 5 days a week. After 2 months, almost empty.

 

Exhaust is clean and 23000 on the clock. No leaks any where or I would notice it on the concrete where it is parked.

 

Y is it burning so much guys?

"almost empty"

Running low oil is bad

things get too hot

deposits form on ring/piston 

causing poor seal, more blow-by

more heat 

insidious downward spiral.

[been there, never again]

Prolly can get ring/piston/bore job for < $100.

This will help.

https://www.shell.co.th/en_th/motorists/oils-lubricants/advance-for-motorcycles/advance-4-stroke-motorcycle-oil/shell-advance-ultra.html

Edited February 6, 2019 by papa al

[papa al]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

"almost empty"

Running low oil is bad

things get too hot

deposits form on ring/piston 

causing poor seal, more blow-by

more heat 

insidious downward spiral.

[been there, never again]

Prolly can get ring/piston/bore job for < $100.

This will help.

https://www.shell.co.th/en_th/motorists/oils-lubricants/advance-for-motorcycles/advance-4-stroke-motorcycle-oil/shell-advance-ultra.html

Oops.

You are in Dubai.