4 hours ago, riclag said:

Maybe not illegal and defiantly not a crime!

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

Your quotation is from Barr, not directly from the Mueller report - true?

This is why the House Intelligence Committee has a need and a right to see Mueller's unredacted report (committee all have top secret clearance that Trump cannot remove) as part of their government oversight duty and responsibilities.

16 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Your quotation is from Barr, not directly from the Mueller report - true?

 

False. That quote is literally muellers own words and Barr quoted him several times in his letter.

I want the full report,

plus the false testimony that was given to the Grand Jury from the "so-called", witnesses. Then I want indictments for those that gave false testimony and have them tried, convicted and sentenced to the fullest extent of the law.

23 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Your quotation is from Barr, not directly from the Mueller report - true?

This is why the House Intelligence Committee has a need and a right to see Mueller's unredacted report (committee all have top secret clearance that Trump cannot remove) as part of their government oversight duty and responsibilities.

 Sorry ! I made sure of it!  It is Muellers quote ! Thanks Thainesss

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

The folks who want the “whole report” released obviously know little about U.S. law governing this subject. Among many other things, anything related to the grand jury hearings is completely confidential and must be redacted. There are host of other reasons for some of the report not to be released to the general public. To say Trump is winging about this hasn’t been following this subject very closely. Russia, Russia, Russia. Baloney! Get a life folks, there is a lot more important stuff going on out there that needs our attention rather than sniffing around a 300 page for a few misplaced colons and yelling that Trump did it.

I don't know where the US lost the concept of the Government by the People, For the People - but those in power think the government is by the government for the government - and screw the people.

Yes - it needs to be published in it's entirety unredacted. 

To paraphrase Hieronymus "Harry" Bosch in Micheal Connelly's books - "Let the chips fall where they may!"

2 hours ago, Longcut said:

I want the full report,

plus the false testimony that was given to the Grand Jury from the "so-called", witnesses. Then I want indictments for those that gave false testimony and have them tried, convicted and sentenced to the fullest extent of the law.

Which false testimonies?

3 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

False. That quote is literally muellers own words and Barr quoted him several times in his letter.

Until we see the report we non of us know if that assertion is true.

 

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Which false testimonies?

I think he’s referring to the perjury committed by Trump’s team in their efforts to hide the truth.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Until we see the report we non of us know if that assertion is true.

LOL literally every major network is in agreement on this fact. You’re the only tinfoil hatter trying to deny it. Even Vox is in agreement. 

 

Here, complete with leftwing commentary:

 

Here are the actual quotes from Mueller’s report in Bill Barr’s summary

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/24/18279973/mueller-report-quotes-barr-letter

 

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think he’s referring to the perjury committed by Trump’s team in their efforts to hide the truth.

 

Weird. You constantly push to cease commentary with the reasoning that “we don’t know what’s in the report” yet here’s you making completely unfounded claims. 

 

Hypocrisy. 

2 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Weird. You constantly push to cease commentary with the reasoning that “we don’t know what’s in the report” yet here’s you making completely unfounded claims. 

 

Hypocrisy. 

Sessions was forced to recuse himself for committing perjury.

 

Fact!

 

Cohen pled guilty to

Perjury before Congress.

 

Fact!

 

A number of Trump’s team repeated the same statements under oath before Congress for which Cohen was found guilty.

 

Fact!

 

 

When Clinton was investigated by Kenneth Starr the report was made public. I cannot imagine that a four-page summary from Janet Reno would have sufficed. Instead the House voted overwhelmingly (363–63) to release the report.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Sessions was forced to recuse himself for committing perjury.

 

Fact!

 

Cohen pled guilty to

Perjury before Congress.

 

Fact!

 

A number of Trump’s team repeated the same statements under oath before Congress for which Cohen was found guilty.

 

Fact!

 

You are clearly getting upset. Maybe you should take a break from the internet for a while. 

 

But if not;

 

Sessions never committed “perjury” that’s a lie, and Cohens crimes are not anyone’s but his. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

When Clinton was investigated by Kenneth Starr the report was made public. I cannot imagine that a four-page summary from Janet Reno would have sufficed. Instead the House voted overwhelmingly (363–63) to release the report.

 

This isn’t even a thing needing to be talked about. The report will be published mid April, last I read. 

7 hours ago, riclag said:

I disagree, I haven't found anything in that Special Counsel statues that gives Congress the right to change something mid stream.  Subpoena,  away

 

Special Counsel regulations regulate the function of the Special Counsel. They do not strip the Congress and the Courts of the powers they derive from the people.

 

When it says the Attorney General is not mandated to perform an action--that he does not have to by his own volition perform whether he is trying to protect, say, the president by convenience, or even the public by his determination of what might be in the public good, about which he is acknowledged free to make that call at that time and upon what he does so voluntarily but not unchecked--that does not say that the Attorney General can not be compelled to perform either by his own conscience were he not complicit nor be compelled by law to perform per instruction of Congress or order of the Courts.

 

That you haven't found anything in a no trespassing sign that doesn't say you can't shoot my dog on my property from your position on the street does not give you permission to merely not trespass. For not only can you not trespass per the posted regulation, but by other laws you also can be compelled in subpoena by the American Congress and Courts to produce in full the Mueller report.

 

It's called Democracy.

41 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

Special Counsel regulations regulate the function of the Special Counsel. They do not strip the Congress and the Courts of the powers they derive from the people.

 

When it says the Attorney General is not mandated to perform an action--that he does not have to by his own volition perform whether he is trying to protect, say, the president by convenience, or even the public by his determination of what might be in the public good, about which he is acknowledged free to make that call at that time and upon what he does so voluntarily but not unchecked--that does not say that the Attorney General can not be compelled to perform either by his own conscience were he not complicit nor be compelled by law to perform per instruction of Congress or order of the Courts.

 

That you haven't found anything in a no trespassing sign that doesn't say you can't shoot my dog on my property from your position on the street does not give you permission to merely not trespass. For not only can you not trespass per the posted regulation, but by other laws you also can be compelled in subpoena by the American Congress and Courts to produce in full the Mueller report.

 

It's called Democracy.

And it will win the day.

9 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

Special Counsel regulations regulate the function of the Special Counsel. They do not strip the Congress and the Courts of the powers they derive from the people.

 

When it says the Attorney General is not mandated to perform an action--that he does not have to by his own volition perform whether he is trying to protect, say, the president by convenience, or even the public by his determination of what might be in the public good, about which he is acknowledged free to make that call at that time and upon what he does so voluntarily but not unchecked--that does not say that the Attorney General can not be compelled to perform either by his own conscience were he not complicit nor be compelled by law to perform per instruction of Congress or order of the Courts.

 

That you haven't found anything in a no trespassing sign that doesn't say you can't shoot my dog on my property from your position on the street does not give you permission to merely not trespass. For not only can you not trespass per the posted regulation, but by other laws you also can be compelled in subpoena by the American Congress and Courts to produce in full the Mueller report.

 

It's called Democracy.

Why bother to have Special Counsel rules and regulations if Congress can make the rules up as they go along especially a Congress that has a agenda to circumvent the laws on the books. 

Before 1999 there was R & R for a Independant council that expired! Currently they have morphed into the present R&R.

The Independent Council(Starr) at that time was obligated to make the entire report available to the Congress.But it has changed  and made it that the Special Council report only to the AG,Bill Barr makes the report from Muellers .

"Whereas the old rules required that the independent counsel tell Congress about “substantial and credible information that an impeachable offense may have been committed,” the new rules are much more narrow: The special counsel’s office, in its report, need only explain to the attorney general its prosecution or declination decisions. In other words, Mueller’s “solemn obligation is not to produce a public report,” Starr wrote for The Atlantic earlier this month. “He cannot seek an indictment. And he must remain quiet.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/what-has-happen-muellers-report-become-public/586060/

 

Good luck with your Subpoena 

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

This isn’t even a thing needing to be talked about. The report will be published mid April, last I read. 

The full unredacted report will be handed to Congress.

 

The People are not in need of political appointees to decide what they, The People, may or may not see.

Just now, riclag said:

Why bother to have Special Counsel rules and regulations if Congress can make the rules up as they go along especially a Congress that has a agenda to circumvent the laws on the books. 

Before 1999 there was R & R for a Independant council that expired! Currently they have morphed into the present R&R.

The Independent Council(Starr) at that time was obligated to make the entire report available to the Congress.But it has changed  and made it that the Special Council report only to the AG,Bill Barr makes the report from Muellers .

"Whereas the old rules required that the independent counsel tell Congress about “substantial and credible information that an impeachable offense may have been committed,” the new rules are much more narrow: The special counsel’s office, in its report, need only explain to the attorney general its prosecution or declination decisions. In other words, Mueller’s “solemn obligation is not to produce a public report,” Starr wrote for The Atlantic earlier this month. “He cannot seek an indictment. And he must remain quiet.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/what-has-happen-muellers-report-become-public/586060/

 

Good luck with your Subpoena 

Good luck with trying to keep tge Mueller report secret.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Good luck with trying to keep tge Mueller report secret.

That's the rules and regs my boy! You will get a Barr report(what ever he decides to put in or leave out accordingly to the rules that he must follow )

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

That's the rules and regs my boy! You will get a Barr report(what ever he decides to put in or leave out accordingly to the rules that he must follow )

Bless.

2 hours ago, Paradise Pete said:

When Clinton was investigated by Kenneth Starr the report was made public. I cannot imagine that a four-page summary from Janet Reno would have sufficed. Instead the House voted overwhelmingly (363–63) to release the report.

Kenneth Starr was operating under the Independent Counsel Act, which has long since expired. Barr must follow standard Justice Department Policy which is far more limiting. It will come out eventually, but we already have the important part. Trump has been exonerated of the accusations against him and if Barr had misrepresented the report's contents in any way we all know Mueller and his team would have immediately gone running to the media. The important thing now is to bring to justice the people and countries responsible for launching the phony investigation in the first place. 

 

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

Why bother to have Special Counsel rules and regulations

To rule and regulate the Special Counsel. Not to rule and regulate Congress.

11 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

Kenneth Starr was operating under the Independent Counsel Act, which has long since expired. Barr must follow standard Justice Department Policy which is far more limiting. It will come out eventually, but we already have the important part. Trump has been exonerated of the accusations against him and if Barr had misrepresented the report's contents in any way we all know Mueller and his team would have immediately gone running to the media. The important thing now is to bring to justice the people and countries responsible for launching the phony investigation in the first place. 

Somebody else who diesn’t understand the duties of Congress.

I looked at the poll results without voting because it simply doesn’t matter. The dems are going to cry either way. Their new buzz word for the week is “red meat”. They won’t be happy with tofu.

4 hours ago, connda said:

I don't know where the US lost the concept of the Government by the People, For the People - but those in power think the government is by the government for the government - and screw the people.

Yes - it needs to be published in it's entirety unredacted. 

To paraphrase Hieronymus "Harry" Bosch in Micheal Connelly's books - "Let the chips fall where they may!"

It's a "high jingo" situation.  I prefer "Everybody counts, or nobody counts".

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Quote

 

usviphotography said:

Trump has been exonerated of the accusations against him and if Barr had misrepresented the report's contents in any way we all know Mueller and his team would have immediately gone running to the media.

Somebody else who doesn’t understand the duties of Congress.

That entire bizzaro diatribe was exercise in misunderstanding which is sad if not misinformation which is pathetic lying.

 

Even the Barr letter itself states: "the report...does not exonerate".

 

And then for that poster to lie that Mueller and his team would have gone running to the media?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/22/the-leak-proof-inquiry-robert-mueller-trump-russia

"The leak-proof inquiry: how Mueller's team kept their work under wraps

There have been 37 indictments or guilty pleas and 199 criminal charges. Five people, including some of Donald Trump’s closest former advisers, have been sent to prison.

 

And yet for all the political fallout, intrigue over Mueller’s prosecutorial strategy and obsession with the contents of his final report, the office of the special counsel has remained an almost sealed vessel."

"

The purpose of a special counsel on the President is for Congress to make a determination of possible impeachable offenses.   In order to do that, Congress has to have full access to the report, and all supporting documents.   

 

Congress, along with the security agencies, should have final say in what is redacted before release to the public.   The public has a right to the information.   

11 hours ago, candide said:

Which false testimonies?

 Steele dossier’s claims for one?