rooster59 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 No-deal Brexit fears rise as parliament sinks May's deal By William James, Kylie MacLellan and Elizabeth Piper Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May speaks in the Parliament in London, Britain, March 29, 2019 in this screen grab taken from video. Reuters TV via REUTERS LONDON (Reuters) - Lawmakers rejected Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal for a third time on Friday, sounding its probable death knell and leaving Britain's withdrawal from the European Union in turmoil on the very day it was supposed to quit the bloc. The decision to reject a stripped-down version of May's divorce deal has left it totally unclear how, when or even whether Britain will leave the EU, and plunges the three-year Brexit crisis to a deeper level of uncertainty. "I fear we are reaching the limits of this process in this House," May told parliament after the defeat. "The implications of the House's decision are grave." Within minutes of the vote - which took place as thousands of Brexit supporters protested outside parliament - European Council President Donald Tusk said EU leaders would meet on April 10 to discuss Britain's departure from the bloc. A succession of European leaders said there was a very real chance Britain would now leave without a deal, a scenario that businesses fear would cause chaos for the world's fifth-biggest economy. White House national security adviser John Bolton told Reuters that President Donald Trump sympathised with May, and restated that the United States was keen to sign a trade deal with Britain once it was no longer in the EU. May had framed the vote as the last opportunity to ensure Britain actually left the EU, making a passionate plea to lawmakers to put aside party differences and strongly-held beliefs. But in a special sitting of parliament, they voted 344-286 against the EU Withdrawal Agreement, agreed after two years of tortuous negotiations with the bloc. "The legal default now is that the United Kingdom is due to leave the European Union on April 12," May said. She cautioned that any further delay to Brexit would probably be a long one beyond the current deadline, and would mean Britain holding elections to the European Parliament. The British pound, which has been buoyed in recent weeks by hopes that the likelihood of an abrupt 'no-deal' Brexit is receding, fell half a percent after May lost, to as low as $1.2977, but then recovered some of its losses. [GBP/] "If the deadline is extended longer, we will re-engage with sterling because that will be the start of the slow death of Brexit," said Salman Ahmed, global investment strategist at Lombard Odier Investment Managers. TALKS TO CONTINUE May had offered on Wednesday to resign if the deal passed, in a bid to win over eurosceptic rebels in her Conservative Party who support a more decisive break with the EU than the divorce her deal offers. The vote leaves her Brexit strategy in tatters. With no majority in parliament for any Brexit option so far, it is unclear what May will now do. Options include asking the EU for a long delay, parliament forcing an election, or a "no-deal" exit. However, May's spokesman said she would continue talks with opponents of the deal and some political correspondents said she could bring it back a fourth time, perhaps in a "run-off" against any alternative that parliament itself came up with. Britain now has under two weeks to convince the 27 members of the EU that it has an alternative path out of the impasse, or see itself cast out of the bloc on April 12 with no deal on post-Brexit ties with its largest trading ally. French President Emmanuel Macron, speaking as parliament voted, said the EU needed to accelerate no-deal planning and Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said that unless Britain came up with a plan, there would be a "hard" Brexit. May's deal had twice been rejected by huge margins this year and, although she was able to win over many Conservative rebels, a hard core of eurosceptics, who see "no-deal" as the best option, and the Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), which props up her minority government, refused to back it. The DUP's deputy leader, Nigel Dodds, said avoiding future customs checks between mainland Britain and Northern Ireland - which might be required under May's deal - was more important than leaving the EU. ANOTHER ELECTION? On Monday, lawmakers who have tried to grab control of the process will attempt to agree on an alternative Brexit plan that could command majority cross-party support in parliament. The options that have so far gathered most support involve closer ties to the EU, and a second referendum. A first attempt at non-binding "indicative votes" on Wednesday failed to produce a majority for any of the eight options on offer. Many lawmakers believe the only way to solve the crisis will be a snap election - even though it would throw up a host of unknowns for the major parties. "The last thing this country needs right now is a general election," transport minister Chris Grayling told Sky News. "We've actually got to sort out the Brexit process, we can't throw everything up in the air." The 2016 referendum vote to leave the EU revealed a United Kingdom divided over many more issues, and has provoked impassioned debate about everything from secession and immigration to capitalism, empire and what it means to be British. Hundreds of thousands of Britons marched through London last Saturday demanding a second referendum, while on Friday thousands of angry Brexit supporters protested in the capital. "What should have been a celebration is in fact a day of betrayal," Nigel Farage, a leading Brexit campaigner, told Reuters. The uncertainty around Brexit, the United Kingdom's most significant political and economic move since World War Two, has left allies and investors aghast. Opponents fear Brexit will make Britain poorer and divide the West as it grapples with both the unconventional U.S. presidency of Donald Trump and growing assertiveness from Russia and China. Supporters say that, while the divorce might bring some short-term instability, in the longer term it will allow the United Kingdom to thrive if cut free from what they cast as a doomed project to forge European unity. -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pegman Posted March 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2019 So how long can the hurt from a no deal leaving last? Decade or two? Just get on with it. 6 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sotonowl Posted March 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, pegman said: So how long can the hurt from a no deal leaving last? Decade or two? Just get on with it. There wouldn't be any hurt, we'd thrive given the chance. 12 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Samui Bodoh Posted March 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2019 It is at the point where I am genuinely embarrassed for my British friends. Leaving the EU without some kind of transition agreement in place is like moving out of your flat when you have no other housing lined up, but this seems to be what the UK is going to do. Or, it'll stay in after proclaiming loudly for years that it is leaving. Either way; Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harada Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Lord Sutch for PM. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiBunny Posted March 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, harada said: Lord Sutch for PM. ???? The Monster Raving Loony Party has always been my first choice to form government. However it looks as though they already have. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoctorG Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: It is at the point where I am genuinely embarrassed for my British friends. Leaving the EU without some kind of transition agreement in place is like moving out of your flat when you have no other housing lined up, but this seems to be what the UK is going to do. Or, it'll stay in after proclaiming loudly for years that it is leaving. Either way; Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch. But would you stay in that flat if your neighbours told you what you could or could not do and kept interfering in your business? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuckamuck Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 May was installed to make sure Brexit never happened despite the appearance of pulling out all the stops. She deserves many acting awards. 10 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malagateddy Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 Sooner evita may falls on her sword the betterSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK? 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK? And award Boris and Jacob lifetime achievement awards up until yesterday???? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malagateddy Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 No..but sweaty a$rse time for many eu member countries who hopefully will be forming an orderly queue at the all singing n dancing german atm Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK?Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pedrogaz Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 Is the strategy to keep voting until Parliament approves this pig of a deal? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: It is at the point where I am genuinely embarrassed for my British friends. Leaving the EU without some kind of transition agreement in place is like moving out of your flat when you have no other housing lined up, but this seems to be what the UK is going to do. Or, it'll stay in after proclaiming loudly for years that it is leaving. Either way; Never before have I seen a country so utterly determined to shoot itself in the crotch. Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK? I could have sworn that there was a thread started earlier today about the eu response? I can't find it now, but it included phrases from the eu such as 'we are prepared for brexit happening on 12th April'/ 'we have to change our game-plan' etc.? Perhaps I read it somewhere else? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyhangmon Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 ... gone past bizarre now, not bad for just 3 years time ... Monty Python´s got nothing on your overpaid boyz & galz ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Krataiboy Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) No-deal Brexit fears hopes rise as parliament sinks May's deal Enough of this fake news! Edited March 30, 2019 by Krataiboy 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 6 hours ago, rooster59 said: May had offered on Wednesday to resign if the deal passed, in a bid to win over eurosceptic rebels in her Conservative Party who support a more decisive break with the EU than the divorce her deal offers. Resign anyway, you’re finished as a leader. Not that you have ever shown any real leadership. Inept, incompetent, incapable and an embarrassment. Resign, now. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Resign anyway, you’re finished as a leader. Not that you have ever shown any real leadership. Inept, incompetent, incapable and an embarrassment. Resign, now. Your post would equally apply to Corbyn, maybe even more so. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, vogie said: Your post would equally apply to Corbyn, maybe even more so. No, it doesn’t as he is leading a party, not the country and increased his party’s representation last election. It might if he ever is given a chance as pm. However right now, the maybot has failed and should go. Edited March 30, 2019 by Bluespunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Resign anyway, you’re finished as a leader. Not that you have ever shown any real leadership. Inept, incompetent, incapable and an embarrassment. Resign, now. Have to agree unfortunately. I thought it made no sense for another GE so soon after the last - as it would cause even more uncertainty and chaos, but MPs have left us in the situation where either we need another GE, or another referendum ☹️. And yet there are still those who think our MPs genuinely care about the electorate they are supposed to represent..... Edited March 30, 2019 by dick dasterdly 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post welovesundaysatspace Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 Just shows Brexit is a stupid idea that doesn’t work. 3 hours ago, DoctorG said: But would you stay in that flat if your neighbours told you what you could or could not do and kept interfering in your business? Every rental comes with a fine print of rules to comply with. Surprisingly no one is making a fuss about his sovereignty and taking back control. 2 hours ago, malagateddy said: No..but sweaty a$rse time for many eu member countries who hopefully will be forming an orderly queue at the all singing n dancing german atm A queue as long as the Sunderland losers march. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Sure I counted more than 26 or 27[emoji6] Just shows Brexit is a stupid idea that doesn’t work. But would you stay in that flat if your neighbours told you what you could or could not do and kept interfering in your business? Every rental comes with a fine print of rules to comply with. Surprisingly no one is making a fuss about his sovereignty and taking back control. A queue as long as the Sunderland losers march. Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Basil B Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 Brexit is dead... It has been for a long time now, it is a decaying, maggot infested, putrefying, stinking mess. please bury or cremate it now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emdog Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Resign May. You've done your best (which wasn't all that good). Go visit Disneyland, perhaps visit "never never land". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Pedrogaz said: Is the strategy to keep voting until Parliament approves this pig of a deal? Looks like it. Typical EU tactics. Dummy switch with Bercow by only presenting half of her previous deal, leaving out the Political Declaration. And she still wants to try it again!! There's no end to their deceit and trickery. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Basil B Posted March 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Loiner said: Looks like it. Typical EU tactics. Dummy switch with Bercow by only presenting half of her previous deal, leaving out the Political Declaration. And she still wants to try it again!! There's no end to their deceit and trickery. Do not know what it has to do with the EU I am sure it has more to do with the advice of the incompetent Attorney General whose advice seems to change from day to day... Edited March 30, 2019 by Basil B 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffbezoz Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Basil B said: Do not know what it has to do with the EU I am sure it has more to do with the advice of the incompetent Attorney General whose advice seems to change from day to day... Don't knock him, he is only a lawyer, therefore will only tell Teresa May what she wants to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dick dasterdly Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Basil B said: Do not know what it has to do with the EU I am sure it has more to do with the advice of the incompetent Attorney General whose advice seems to change from day to day... Not even the majority of remainer MPs think that the eu/may deal will work with the electorate..... We'rPe all guessing at their next move to keep us within the eu - without a large number of MPs losing their seats ????. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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