UK parliament very likely to consider new Brexit referendum - Hammond

[Disaantri]

No I don't; but if I find my car hurtling towards a disaster, I hope I would try my damned best to avoid it .... and all those Scots you mention were from our United Kingdom?!

[wilcopops]

Britain could be only months from becoming a fully paid up fascist state.
The civil and economic unrest brought about by Brexit will enable the government to introduce all sorts of draconian measures impinging on civil rights.
In true Nazi style certain groups within the population will be singled out for repression. Blame will be attributed  to mysterious foreign forces (trade), the EU and remainers....vigilantes will roam the streets.
The internet and media will, be brazenly used to influence, manipulate and monitor the population. If you think it is already, just wait till restrictions are lifted.
The police will militarized and drones will hover around the streets...all in the name of keeping the peace...

Remember Hitler didn't immediately go to war, it took a few years and a referendum to organise that.

 

[malagateddy]

No I don't; but if I find my car hurtling towards a disaster, I hope I would try my damned best to avoid it .... and all those Scots you mention were from our United Kingdom?!

Perhaps unknown to yourself..there are many many Royalists and Unionists in scotland..although the vast majority live in the central belt..Glasgow and surrounding areas and ayrshire.
Thankfully many of the aforementioned Royalist/Unionists are very savvy business people who employ many many people.
The snp camp followers have already and will again have their " wings clipped " if they " try it on ".

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[malagateddy]

Britain could be only months from becoming a fully paid up fascist state.
The civil and economic unrest brought about by Brexit will enable the government to introduce all sorts of draconian measures impinging on civil rights.
In true Nazi style certain groups within the population will be singled out for repression. Blame will be attributed  to mysterious foreign forces (trade), the EU and remainers....vigilantes will roam the streets.
The internet and media will, be brazenly used to influence, manipulate and monitor the population. If you think it is already, just wait till restrictions are lifted.
The police will militarized and drones will hover around the streets...all in the name of keeping the peace...

Remember Hitler didn't immediately go to war, it took a few years and a referendum to organise that.

 

Please give me your ingredients re the home brew you make.

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[billd766]

1 hour ago, Disaantri said:

Hardly think so, as Scotland voted 62/38 to remain in the EU!

In the Scottish referendum those who voted to remain within the UK won their referendum by 55.3% against 44.7%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum

 

Scottish independence referendum
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Location	Scotland
Date	18 September 2014
Results   Votes %  Yes 1,617,989 44.70%  No 2,001,926 55.30% Valid votes 3,619,915 99.91% Invalid or blank votes 3,429 0.09% Total votes 3,623,344 100.00% Registered voters/turnout 4,283,392 84.59%

[billd766]

3 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Please give me your ingredients re the home brew you make.

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He cannot. It is banned as a weapon of mass destruction under the UN description of chemical and biological warfare.

 

He may have been the guinea pig or perhaps the crash test dummy.

[Just Weird]

20 hours ago, sandyf said:

It's not just about a result, how the result is obtained has a lot to do with it. Never heard of a Stewards Enquiry or that athletes may have to return their medals?

 

There was a debate in 2002 and this is what David Davis had to say.

"We should not ask people to vote on a blank sheet of paper and tell them to trust us to fill in the details afterwards. For referendums to be fair and compatible with our parliamentary process, we need the electors to be as well informed as possible and to know exactly what they are voting for. Referendums need to be treated as an addition to the parliamentary process, not as a substitute for it."

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo021126/debtext/21126-17.htm

 

MPs were probably nodding off at the time and are now paying the price. Where was the white paper prior to the referendum, we wouldn't be in this mess if the job had been done properly in the first place.

 

Yes, I have heard of a stewards inquiry, I've also heard of athletes returning their medals.  Have you ever heard of a referendum and how it works where people cast their vote whichever way they want, with no qualification attached to it and with no demand for those votes to be seen as "correct" by others ?  There is a million miles between your meaningless correlation and reality.

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, Spidey said:

Are you suggesting that I'm a grass? Ironic that I've just had a week's holiday due to some butt hurt Brexiteer.

 

Trust me, you ain't worth my time.

You said you were in the UK. I could have said the same for my latest "holiday".

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

You said you were in the UK. I could have said the same for my latest "holiday".

Did I not answer your question with "a bit of both"?

 

Admittedly my TVF holiday was great timing.

[bomber]

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

The answer you are looking for is the CITIZENS OF THE UK!!!!!!!!

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your beloved UK would deliver 2 out of 4 if democracy were applied,not sure your loyalist chums would thank you for that????

[malagateddy]

2 outa 4..???please explain

your beloved UK would deliver 2 out of 4 if democracy were applied,not sure your loyalist chums would thank you for that[emoji23]

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[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Did I not answer your question with "a bit of both"?

 

Admittedly my TVF holiday was great timing.

You deserved more time off - like me!????

[Spidey]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You deserved more time off - like me!????

Absence makes the heart grow fonder. ????

[nauseus]

Just now, Spidey said:

Absence makes the heart grow fonder. ????

Aw.

[bomber]

2 hours ago, malagateddy said:

2 outa 4..???please explain

 

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Pretty obvious for a normal peraon

[malagateddy]

Peraon???

Pretty obvious for a normal peraon

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[bomber]

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Perhaps unknown to yourself..there are many many Royalists and Unionists in scotland..although the vast majority live in the central belt..Glasgow and surrounding areas and ayrshire.
Thankfully many of the aforementioned Royalist/Unionists are very savvy business people who employ many many people.
The snp camp followers have already and will again have their " wings clipped " if they " try it on ".

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Savvy ???? ive heard it all now

[bomber]

11 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Peraon???

 

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again i think you got the message.

[sandyf]

6 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Sandy f...you are oh so wrong..do you honestly think all the teenagers who no doubt voted " remain " have any idea of the ultimate aim of the corrupt fraudulent eu???
Perhaps and hopefully sooner rather than later they will realise the folly of their voting re Brexit.
My fervent hope is that the UK and all UK citizens will enjoy and prosper being free of the eu " shackles " in time to come.
Imo..next months mep's election will open a lot of eyes in the UK..as no doubt they will see and read about the reasons why..the afD..the french rally..and other eurosceptic parties from eu countries make spectacular gains.
Hopefully the '' empire " that the likes of the infamous jean monnet etc wanted will rapidly crumble.

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When constructive argument fails fall back on the brexiteer propaganda.

" the ultimate aim of the corrupt fraudulent eu???"

 

Bit ironic that the democratic leavers are killing off democracy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sarah-wollaston-brexit-erg-abuse-politicians-a8856961.html

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

In the Scottish referendum those who voted to remain within the UK won their referendum by 55.3% against 44.7%.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_referendum

 

Scottish independence referendum
Should Scotland be an independent country?
Location	Scotland
Date	18 September 2014
Results   Votes %  Yes 1,617,989 44.70%  No 2,001,926 55.30% Valid votes 3,619,915 99.91% Invalid or blank votes 3,429 0.09% Total votes 3,623,344 100.00% Registered voters/turnout 4,283,392 84.59%

Results are not always as straightforward as people seem to think. The Scottish government published a 650 page white paper and many that voted NO were voting against Alex Salmond's ludicrous proposals rather than against independence. Had I been there at the time I would have voted against the white paper, that does not mean I would not support a more feasible plan for independence.

Circumstances have changed and the Scots have every right to put another plan forward, after all, TM is about to ask the same question for a 4th time.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Yes, I have heard of a stewards inquiry, I've also heard of athletes returning their medals.  Have you ever heard of a referendum and how it works where people cast their vote whichever way they want, with no qualification attached to it and with no demand for those votes to be seen as "correct" by others ?  There is a million miles between your meaningless correlation and reality.

Easy to ignore 'beyond reasonable doubt' when it suits.

[beautifulthailand99]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

And here's one I made earlier.

 

 

[billd766]

43 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Results are not always as straightforward as people seem to think. The Scottish government published a 650 page white paper and many that voted NO were voting against Alex Salmond's ludicrous proposals rather than against independence. Had I been there at the time I would have voted against the white paper, that does not mean I would not support a more feasible plan for independence.

Circumstances have changed and the Scots have every right to put another plan forward, after all, TM is about to ask the same question for a 4th time.

I have lost most of my faith in politicians North, South, East, West and further abroad.

 

The UK referendum was a "once in a lifetime".

 

IMHO at the next general election in the UK there will be a settling of scores between the people who vote and the people that they elect to represent them. 

 

Scotland's referendum was a "once in a generation opportunity”.

 

I have no idea if Scotland will get a second referendum but Nicola Sturgeon is stoking the boiler fires and truly wants to be independent.

 

Now the politicians are saying, we didn't really mean it literally.

 

In the USA the winner was not the one with the most votes.

 

November 2020 will be interesting to see if Trump stays on or is dumped.

 

There is nothing I can say about Thailand's farce of an election except that after nearly 5 years of a military, 5 years of no elections, a rewritten constitution they still couldn't get it right.

 

There is still nothing I can say about Thailand other than how sad I am that they have got to this stage.

 

[malagateddy]

I have lost most of my faith in politicians North, South, East, West and further abroad.
 
The UK referendum was a "once in a lifetime".
 
IMHO at the next general election in the UK there will be a settling of scores between the people who vote and the people that they elect to represent them. 
 
Scotland's referendum was a "once in a generation opportunity”.
 
I have no idea if Scotland will get a second referendum but Nicola Sturgeon is stoking the boiler fires and truly wants to be independent.
 
Now the politicians are saying, we didn't really mean it literally.
 
In the USA the winner was not the one with the most votes.
 
November 2020 will be interesting to see if Trump stays on or is dumped.
 
There is nothing I can say about Thailand's farce of an election except that after nearly 5 years of a military, 5 years of no elections, a rewritten constitution they still couldn't get it right.
 
There is still nothing I can say about Thailand other than how sad I am that they have got to this stage.
 

Trump is a sure thing..sturg face..a politician who feeds her brain dead dummies ' raw meat '...previous job..a " lawyer"..

Says it all imo[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

Challenge me...I am a Royalist and a Unionist

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[Spidey]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

The UK referendum was a "once in a lifetime".

Which one? The one in 1975 or the one in 2016?

[bomber]

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Which one? The one in 1975 or the one in 2016?

the 2019 might be interesting and the last ever

[billd766]

2 hours ago, Spidey said:

Which one? The one in 1975 or the one in 2016?

The one in 2016 which has caused all the problems since of course.

 

Back in 1975 I voted to join the EEC, NOT the EU, but back in those days there was no real internet, social media etc and we used to rely on the daily papers BBC and ITV for news.

[superal]

On 4/14/2019 at 8:45 PM, SheungWan said:

Not the Brexiteers nursing their lost deposits.

Recent UK survey on the EU elections showed the Brexit party at 82% with the rest of the votes scattered around .

A BBC report is showing that the Conservative party will be annihilated at the next election with many TM backers losing their deposits .  Staunch Labour members are tearing up their membership cards and joining the Brexit party .  Now TM must be aware of this and so is caught in a corner . At the moment she is in a no win situation , the likes of which have never been seen before in UK politics . She has taken Brexit to the next chapter with collusion from the desperate JC  which will only serve to further damage businesses uncertainty . Behind closed doors talks with the DUP  ( another billion pounds from the public purse  promised ? how can that be legal ? )

So a G/E is remote and a referendum unlikely as both will defeat her .  Only way out for her is for any sort of concession from the EU which may get her over the line , however if she thinks that the general public will forget the last 3 years she will soon see the reality of her and her backers decisions .

The one thing I am unsure of is if a deal were to be made , followed by a G/E could the deal be scrapped by the new government ?

[RuamRudy]

22 hours ago, malagateddy said:

I also had to suffer a once again imo..an English hating snp administration running the show in scotland from 2007.
It's my honest belief that without the very strong Royalist and Unionist " presence " in scotland..the republicans would do exactly what they want.

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Teddy, the SNP is not English hating - or after 12 years in office, you surely have mountains of evidence to prove otherwise?

 

The hatred you seem happy to overlook, however, comes from the Royalist/Unionist minority with their pathetic marching bands of bigotry. The are not supporting Scotland - they are shaming us. They are a truly nauseating people, a nasty, odious plague on our country. When they are ultimately consigned to the history books, we will look back on them with the revulsion they deserve.

 

 

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, billd766 said:

I have lost most of my faith in politicians North, South, East, West and further abroad.

 

The UK referendum was a "once in a lifetime".

 

IMHO at the next general election in the UK there will be a settling of scores between the people who vote and the people that they elect to represent them. 

 

Scotland's referendum was a "once in a generation opportunity”.

 

I have no idea if Scotland will get a second referendum but Nicola Sturgeon is stoking the boiler fires and truly wants to be independent.

 

Now the politicians are saying, we didn't really mean it literally.

 

In the USA the winner was not the one with the most votes.

 

November 2020 will be interesting to see if Trump stays on or is dumped.

 

There is nothing I can say about Thailand's farce of an election except that after nearly 5 years of a military, 5 years of no elections, a rewritten constitution they still couldn't get it right.

 

There is still nothing I can say about Thailand other than how sad I am that they have got to this stage.

 

I don't think that there can be any dispute Bill, whichever side of the fence you are on, the best days are well and truly in the rear view mirror.