Do you believe in God and why

[blackshadow]

no and never will, load of tosh......

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

Oh please, the world is full of people who know more than us in all fields of life. Engineers, artists, athletes, scientists, shamans....the list is endless. Each one experiences life from a different angle, each contributes to deepen the human experience, each one in his own way. 
Are you really saying that anyone who knows more than you or sees more than you is automatically delusional? Come on, be serious.

Obviously lots of people know lots of things which I don't know. I listen to them or read their books, etc. I also learned a lot from many people. But all that has nothing to do with people who just believe without any evidence. If someone told me he saw a unicorn that's interesting. But just that he tells me he saw that and then I should believe it is not good enough. 

[OneMoreFarang]

59 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Thanks heavens we have such stalwarts of rationality and reason like you.....to keep us entertained. ????????

And I thought I visit this thread every couple of months to be entertained by you and the usual suspects.

Don't worry, I won't stay here long. Talking with delusional people from time to time can be funny. But too much of it should be avoided.

[OneMoreFarang]

58 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Are you suggesting we all know the same things and we all see (perceive) the same things?  You can't be serious.

Tell me, how much punch and die clearance is needed to pierce a 6mm diameter hole in HSLA steel?  What would be the force requirements?  The stripping force generated?  What?  I know something you don't?  That's simply too amazing to believe!!

 

We both perceive equally?  I know you're joking and just pulling my leg.

What were you saying about delusional?

No I am not joking at all.

About about your question: I don't know the answer. But I could learn about the details and then I should be able to understand the details and calculate the answer. Or I could find one or more trustworthy engineers who do that regularly and who know the answer. 

And the beauty of this is that I could ask 10 professional engineers all over the world and they would give me the same, or at least a similar, answer. Because they all use facts and science.

[RanongCat]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's a great question, and there are many answers available. 

Tbh i don't know the exact answer, but it's reasonable to think that there's a reason for everything. 

If can accept  is irrelevant in the scale of growing demonstration of that we can will never see the edge of the "universe" becuase  the light from  of what is or maybe not more is so far is now faded or so far will be how  may miilion lightyear gone. Is a need for living  now. Or a excuse to not look close to sh:t  people do each other to be rich, famous  and have  false power today?

[metisdead]

Some posts with personal insults have been removed. Troll posts and the replies have been removed.

[TropicalGuy]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

A trollin' we will go

a trollin' we will go,

hi ho the merry-o,

a trollin' we will go.

Must have dawned on you by now that truly rational people have disposed of your hokum like the garbage it is, with reason & Logic & have zero interest in your nonsense unevidenced “ arguments” , beliefs & immature debating. ????????
 

You can’t disprove science and can’t prove your pseudoscience.
How frustrating! ????????

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Three years and 14,195 comments later and lots of people still don't believe in "god".

It seems there is no evidence. Just accept that it doesn't exist.

 

I guess you didn't actually read all the 14,195 posts or you would have seen plenty of "evidence" that there is more to life and the universe than can be explained by mere chance or a cosmic accident.

However, coming to this thread with a preset opinion is not conducive to exploring the possibility that science doesn't have all the answers.

 

Reading the posts since this thread resurrected itself it's clear to me that many currently posting haven't a clue as to what had been posted over the past years as they are saying the same things as were said at the beginning.

While everyone has the right to post whatever they like within the rules, don't expect me to repeat what I said many, many times before to refute their opinion.

 

However, I will be following the thread in case something new comes up to engage my interest in responding.

 

Have a nice day.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously lots of people know lots of things which I don't know. I listen to them or read their books, etc. I also learned a lot from many people. But all that has nothing to do with people who just believe without any evidence. If someone told me he saw a unicorn that's interesting. But just that he tells me he saw that and then I should believe it is not good enough. 

One would probably have to go back a few hundred pages to find a poster that is telling you to believe anything. The conversation moved on from that dogmatic attitude long ago, but somehow it seems that some posters are still beating the same old drum.

 

I said it before, but personally I don't care if anyone believes in God or not, and I came on this thread long ago to learn and contribute my point of view, but not to convince anyone that I have the "correct" opinion, as it's obvious that none of us know everything about the full situation, though some of us are prepared to educate themselves to try and understand it as much as is possible.

If anyone is honest, they won't claim that science actually has proof of anything to do with faith, as faith is above and beyond science.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

I always like to believe the things and mysticism is much more simple than we like to believe, therefor very easy to stick with almighty good old nature as our God. So pure, so good,  so cruel, so perfect, and beautiful! Why cant everybody see and feel that? I do, does it mean Im on another level? 
 

I can imagine I feel the energy from trees, and the life around a tree, why can not everybody cherish a tree like me?

God is commonly described as the force that created the universe with it's uncountable trillions of stars, planets etc, so why ascribe human conditions to God? No human is capable of even creating something that has "life", let alone a solar system, so why does anyone think God is like humans?

 

Hmmmm, I may yet start posting on this thread again, though I shall attempt to ignore the obvious trolls or repeat what I've posted many many times before.

If anyone cares about my opinions they are welcome to read all my 1000 + posts.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While everyone has the right to post whatever they like within the rules, don't expect me to repeat what I said many, many times before to refute their opinion.

I don't expect anything from you. It's up to you what you write.

But if you would have brought lots of wisdom to this thread and if you would have convinced lots of other people that god exist then you would be famous.

[Tippaporn]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No I am not joking at all.

About about your question: I don't know the answer. But I could learn about the details and then I should be able to understand the details and calculate the answer. Or I could find one or more trustworthy engineers who do that regularly and who know the answer. 

And the beauty of this is that I could ask 10 professional engineers all over the world and they would give me the same, or at least a similar, answer. Because they all use facts and science.

This isn't even a weak rebuttal.  What you wrote has nada to do with what you claimed in your post.  This answer is just misdirection to deflect from the foot that's in your mouth for making a ridiculous and ludicrous claim.

  

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there are people who think they know something which others don't know and don't see.

There is a word for it: delusion

And that is best case. Maybe they are also crazy or have another bad mental condition.

 

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously lots of people know lots of things which I don't know. I listen to them or read their books, etc. I also learned a lot from many people. But all that has nothing to do with people who just believe without any evidence. If someone told me he saw a unicorn that's interesting. But just that he tells me he saw that and then I should believe it is not good enough. 

Here, too, you completely skirt explaining your statement that claims people who know and see things that you don't know or see are delusional.  Following your logic through then you yourself are delusional since you know and see things others don't.

If you at least walked this ludicrous conclusion back and admitted you didn't make yourself clear then that would be readily accepted by all.  Self integrity would demand it.  But rather than take the moral route you seem to prefer spin.  Win at all costs, right?  Just as Sunmaster said.

"To hell with credibility, dignity and objectivity....who needs those?"

I'd add self-integrity to the list.  People who can not allow themselves to admit when they're wrong debauch their self integrity in every instance they fail to do so.

If there's one thing you should understand it's that folks here aren't fooled.  They're not nearly as stupid as you would like to believe they are.  People here are highly intelligent and your poor opinion has no power to take that away from them.  Frankly, no one cares at all about the poor opinions prejudicially leveled against us; or the schoolyard slurs; or the adolescent ridicule.  For myself I see only embarrassment for the willingness of so many quite intelligent people to stoop to base vileness.  If you're proud of that type of behavior then more power to you, live in the world of your creation as it's the bed you make, and go in peace.

[mauGR1]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God is commonly described as the force that created the universe with it's uncountable trillions of stars, planets etc, so why ascribe human conditions to God? No human is capable of even creating something that has "life", let alone a solar system, so why does anyone think God is like humans

Yep, logic would say that "if" God exists, it's something which can't be described with our vocabulary. 

The assumption of many, that God and gods don't exist because no one has any scientific evidence, is beyond belief, and defies logic. 

Even the greatest scientists of the planet know that they don't know.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

as faith is above and beyond science.

Yeah. Fairytales, delusion, ...

Enjoy the rainbow unicorns in your head.

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

People who can not allow themselves to admit when they're wrong debauch their self integrity in every instance they fail to do so.

That's a perfect description for all those believers.

 

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

People here are highly intelligent and your poor opinion has no power to take that away from them. 

Really? I am one of those highly intelligent people and I know other highly intelligent people. They all don't believe in god. 

On the other hand I also know a couple of stupid people who think they are smart. There is a name for that. It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect.

 

But to make you happy and allow you to continue in your bubble I am out of here. I really don't want to waste my time with delusions. Enjoy believe bubble.

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That's a perfect description for all those believers.

 

Really? I am one of those highly intelligent people and I know other highly intelligent people. They all don't believe in god. 

On the other hand I also know a couple of stupid people who think they are smart. There is a name for that. It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect.

 

But to make you happy and allow you to continue in your bubble I am out of here. I really don't want to waste my time with delusions. Enjoy believe bubble.

I guess you had your last chance to admit to error in claiming that people who know and see what others don't are therefore delusional.  Self integrity lost out.  So run and hide.

"Really? I am one of those highly intelligent people and I know other highly intelligent people. They all don't believe in god."

More fallacious logic.  "I'm highly intelligent and don't believe in God.  I know other highly intelligent people and they, too, don't believe in God.  Therefore all highly intelligent people do not believe in God."

You also imply false logic with your next statement.

"On the other hand I also know a couple of stupid people who think they are smart. There is a name for that. It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect."

It suggests that "All stupid people are stupid about everything.  All smart people are smart about everything."

The Dunning-Kruger effect doesn't apply to your implication.

Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.

At least those psychologists recognised a basic truth.  No one is smart all of the time and no one is stupid all of the time.  It's always a mix.  It's never 100% of one and 0% of the other.

If you're as smart as you like to think you are, and I'm sure you like to think yourself smart about everything, OMF, then why do you need to resort to false logic and offer up inapplicable citations to try and win an argument?

[Tippaporn]

I'd like to point out in general that those who insist on not believing anything unless it has been scientifically proven are being extremely disingenuous by making such a claim.  Since all is not known, and certainly all has not been scientifically proven, there remains much that is left up to personal belief.  Therefore every scientist and every science disciple hold unproven beliefs.  About a lot of things.

The irony!

 

Of course you can play a game with yourself and hide the sausage.

 

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

If you're as smart as you like to think you are, and I'm sure you like to think yourself smart about everything, OMF, then why do you need to resort to false logic and offer up inapplicable citations to try and win an argument?

To be fair he's not the only one, there appears to be a large segment of the population worldwide that think and act illogically while at the same time screaming: "logic, logic !!"

.. which is hilariously ironic. 

Materialism has become a cult.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

To be fair he's not the only one, there appears to be a large segment of the population worldwide that think and act illogically while at the same time screaming: "logic, logic !!"

.. which is hilariously ironic. 

Materialism has become a cult.

Materialism and money are believed to be a panacea for peoples miseries.  If only they had money and trinkets they would be happy.

[Tippaporn]

Continuing on with the general point I made above, how often have science minded folk here made adamant and impassioned claims that there is no afterlife even though there is no evidence for such a claim?  They believe what they believe about death and perhaps it's because they subscribe to the false assumption that the lack of evidence that something exists is the proof that it indeed does not exist.  Though they may use that psychological device to support their conviction still they ultimately only hold a personal belief.

[mauGR1]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Continuing on with the general point I made above, how often have science minded folk here made adamant and impassioned claims that there is no afterlife even though there is no evidence for such a claim?  They believe what they believe about death and perhaps it's because they subscribe to the false assumption that the lack of evidence that something exists is the proof that it indeed does not exist.  Though they may use that psychological device to support their conviction still they ultimately only hold a personal belief.

If I dared to say that examining consciousness while asleep can offer some clues about consciousness and life after death, i would probably be met with scorn and derision by most people.

Yet, according to the principle "as above, as below" it makes a lot of sense to me.

[Tippaporn]

12 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If I dared to say that examining consciousness while asleep can offer some clues about consciousness and life after death, i would probably be met with scorn and derision by most people.

Yet, according to the principle "as above, as below" it makes a lot of sense to me.

I would say you are correct in your theory of what you can learn from examining your own consciousness.  Your own consciousness really is the final frontier.  In certain terms it's also the only frontier. 

[Tippaporn]

If I had to identify one of the major hangups which prevent those who require proof of everything it is this.  They are stuck on the false idea that all of creation is physical.  Not only that but that this universe, this physical reality, is the only reality which exists.  An even greater barrier which prevents them from moving beyond the limited world that science thus far offers is a complete lack of understanding of who and what we are.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I would say you are correct in your theory of what you can learn from examining your own consciousness.  Your own consciousness really is the final frontier.  In certain terms it's also the only frontier. 

Yes, "know yourself " is undoubtedly a solid stepping stone in crossing the river of ignorance. 

Yet so many still believe that there is only one reality and it must be the same for everyone. 

The paradox about "reality" is that everything changes, so in fact one can even say that there's no such thing as a permanent reality , except for infinite/eternity, which of course we cannot grasp as long as we are trapped in a state of dual judgement. 

 

[Sunmaster]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But to make you happy and allow you to continue in your bubble I am out of here.

The first sensical thing you said. Congratulations. 

[Sunmaster]

51 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If I dared to say that examining consciousness while asleep can offer some clues about consciousness and life after death, i would probably be met with scorn and derision by most people.

Yet, according to the principle "as above, as below" it makes a lot of sense to me.

Just had another lucid dream a few days ago. I loved it.

[ivor bigun]

I wonder if when sitting in their caves ,did the cavemen chat about God ?

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, ivor bigun said:

I wonder if when sitting in their caves ,did the cavemen chat about God ?

Yes, sure, i guess they argued a lot about food and women too.????

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't expect anything from you. It's up to you what you write.

But if you would have brought lots of wisdom to this thread and if you would have convinced lots of other people that god exist then you would be famous.

Did you miss the bit where I said "I DON"T CARE if others believe or not in God"? It's not up to me to convince anyone.

I'm only learning from those posters that contribute something worth consideration, and passing on my own opinion/ experiences.

[Orinoco]

17 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And I thought I visit this thread every couple of months to be entertained by you and the usual suspects.

Don't worry, I won't stay here long. Talking with delusional people from time to time can be funny. But too much of it should be avoided.

Funny thing is the usual suspects.

Keep saying they are going,  but come back again and again.

What a laugh.