Sea-home pioneer’s visa cancelled

[cardinalblue]

Me thinks Thai driving is more of a threat...he’s not killing people!

[cmarshall]

Thailand effectively claims 200 miles as its exclusive economic zone.  

 

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/THA_1981_Proclamation.pdf

 

Guy is a knucklehead who happened to get into his pyramid scheme early.  The result is what happens when you have more money than brains.

[AntipodeanThai]

Its simple really.

If you want to live in Thailand obey their rules, as frustrating as they may be at times.

It's their country their heritage, their culture, their way of life not a Johnny come lately foreigners, we must think it beautiful otherwise we wouldn't be here; if not go!

Simple really!

[dutchweller]

Typical over the top reaction from Thailand 

Always the same over the top with the small fish just to show face.

Never with the real issues/threats that take more effort or are backed by their own..

[RickTik]

If this guy is smart, he clears out of Thailand. 

 

[Time Traveller]

12 hours ago, donim said:

Amerian claimed his sea home as on international waters.

This is in fact leaving Thai space.

Without a re-entry permit, his visa was void once he left.

Did he come back on shore, he was illegal as no new stamp of arrival

was made.

 

IF the seahome was on waters, then the authority would take him on

other reasons, failing of the TM28 and 30 for example.

 

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If you live, and really was acknowledge as such, on international water.

Then he had to have a boat, and enter Thailand soil on the port and pass customs here.

 

His girlfriend can 'swim' to the nearest beach.  And come back with shopping.

But no tax refundable, only for foreigners 555

BS. Plenty of tourists go on deep sea fishing tours into international waters and come back without reentry permits

[whaleboneman]

2 hours ago, orchidlady said:

Anyone know if they are dumping sewage into the ocean? That could be a reason for all of the fish hanging around. 

And the alternative would be...?

[whaleboneman]

20 minutes ago, AntipodeanThai said:

Its simple really.

If you want to live in Thailand obey their rules, as frustrating as they may be at times.

It's their country their heritage, their culture, their way of life not a Johnny come lately foreigners, we must think it beautiful otherwise we wouldn't be here; if not go!

Simple really!

Apparently they didn't want to live in Thailand.

[whaleboneman]

1 hour ago, herwin1234 said:

This is Thailand, a real country, not Disneyland.  Imagine if a tourist from Ghana comes to your country, and with a local paid girlfriend do the same in your own homecountry? The utter disrespect.

And now running and hiding??? 

All the posters who are living in Thailand and as usual are slamming Thailand with their cynical comments about Thai authorities, plz if you dont like it here, why are you here?time to go back perhaps.

 

I can use the same argument against you. If you don't like the posters that slam Thailand on here, why are you here? The idea of a forum should be to let everyone express their opinion. TV has very good moderators to "moderate".

[rexall]

1 hour ago, herwin1234 said:

This is Thailand, a real country, not Disneyland.  Imagine if a tourist from Ghana comes to your country, and with a local paid girlfriend do the same in your own homecountry? The utter disrespect.

And now running and hiding??? 

All the posters who are living in Thailand and as usual are slamming Thailand with their cynical comments about Thai authorities, plz if you dont like it here, why are you here?time to go back perhaps.

 

I don't like it in most places, so really there is no places else for me to go. 

[mindfulness]

... you can’t make this proverbial manure up. Well that’s unless as the norm does, make it up as they go along. 

Insanely insane. 

[rexall]

1 hour ago, seajae said:

everyone seems to be forgetting he would have to enter as a tourist everytime he comes to shore, it is outside international borders so he is no longer in Thailand when staying on it, visa or not. Whether or not any of what is happening in regard to the building is legal doesnt matter if he is still coming into Thailands waters or ports he needs a visa to do so, if he doesnt have one/get one then he is entering illegally. The building is a whole other question, when you read the articles on it the builders are saying it is to alienate the thai govt so they cannot supposedly do anything to you a\nd calling the pm a dictator, seems they are getting very political with it which is probably what is pi** them off but it still comes back to the legality of him entering Thailand everytime he wants to, he cant have it both ways, if he has no visa and been black banned he cannot enter  at all, and if he did have a visa he would need multiple re entries as well, the immigration bit is a big problem for them, hiding out in Thailand is just a bad idea as it will put him in jail when caught

 

Are there any yacht people online who regularly travel in and out beyond the 12 mile limit?  What do you do (or what are you supposed to do) about your visa, TM30, et al.

[mindfulness]

... so how does one become a ‘Sea Gypsy’ ????????????

[rexall]

54 minutes ago, AntipodeanThai said:

Its simple really.

If you want to live in Thailand obey their rules, as frustrating as they may be at times.

It's their country their heritage, their culture, their way of life not a Johnny come lately foreigners, we must think it beautiful otherwise we wouldn't be here; if not go!

Simple really!

Not really!

[Redline]

Comical ???? I hope there is more to the story, or I see some paranoid thinking going around 

[rexall]

49 minutes ago, dutchweller said:

Typical over the top reaction from Thailand 

Always the same over the top with the small fish just to show face.

Never with the real issues/threats that take more effort or are backed by their own..

Yes, but it is ironic, ain't it?  "Face" is indeed one of the driving forces of Thai (and other Asian) societies. But the gov's is remarkably tone deaf as to what seems a loss of face in the West, such as witless posturing and over-use of force against little guys.

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, seajae said:

everyone seems to be forgetting he would have to enter as a tourist everytime he comes to shore, it is outside international borders so he is no longer in Thailand when staying on it, visa or not. Whether or not any of what is happening in regard to the building is legal doesnt matter if he is still coming into Thailands waters or ports he needs a visa to do so, if he doesnt have one/get one then he is entering illegally. The building is a whole other question, when you read the articles on it the builders are saying it is to alienate the thai govt so they cannot supposedly do anything to you a\nd calling the pm a dictator, seems they are getting very political with it which is probably what is pi** them off but it still comes back to the legality of him entering Thailand everytime he wants to, he cant have it both ways, if he has no visa and been black banned he cannot enter  at all, and if he did have a visa he would need multiple re entries as well, the immigration bit is a big problem for them, hiding out in Thailand is just a bad idea as it will put him in jail when caught

 

So, what happens to Thai fishing boats, with foreign works, that often leave Thai waters.

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

Thailand effectively claims 200 miles as its exclusive economic zone.  

 

https://www.un.org/Depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/THA_1981_Proclamation.pdf

 

Guy is a knucklehead who happened to get into his pyramid scheme early.  The result is what happens when you have more money than brains.

Economic zone is different to territorial waters. 

[Ctkong]

5 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

heres the thing it was outside the 12 Nautical mile limit but within the economic zone of thailand. Under international law economic zone states

"A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea"

Thai Law also does not apply in the economic zone, If he fights this in international court it will be very interesting to see the outcome.

 

 

 

Revoking his visa will make him unable to get supplies from Thailand coastal areas and render him helpless to carry on living as such. 

[mindfulness]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Google "pirate radio" and see what happens when you try something like this in a country run under the rule of law. 

 

Better yet, watch the movie, "Pirate Radio"

 

Hint:  The government didn't like it a bit, but they adhered to international law.  Nobody was threatened with life in prison, much less the death penalty.

 

They sure do get so emotional, and jump in feet first. Now what is it about the feet thing ????????

[Ctkong]

9 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

So, what happens to Thai fishing boats, with foreign works, that often leave Thai waters.

Thai fishing boats just deal with marine police not immigration police. 

[webfact]

“The Thai military wants us dead” – Phuket Seastead owner

By The Thaiger

 

 

by Kimberly Craig (WXYZ Detroit), Tim Newton, ocean.builders

 

American Chad Elwartowski and his Thai partner, Nadia Supranee Thepdet, say they are on the run from police in Thailand after the government has accused the couple of trying to lay claim to Thai maritime territory with their ‘seastead’, a maritime house considered to be a permanent dwelling at sea off Phuket.

 

The ‘seated’ is located to the south east of Koh Racha Yai, approx. 12 nautical miles off the mainland.

 

Chad says he fears for their lives and are now in hiding.

 

Full story: https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/the-thai-military-wants-us-dead-phuket-seastead-owner

 

 

-- © Copyright The Thaiger 2019-04-18

[mindfulness]

3 hours ago, TonyR101 said:

Anyone who makes their money dealing in virtual currency deserves an "unwanted" status.

oh dear, this currency thing apparently began with ‘shekels’ now I understand why they are not wanted also ???????? 

 

Bet you love their system though, you know the way money is formed out of thin air. 

 

Tony the Onion ‘LOl’llll Funny Guy ! 

[mindfulness]

6 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

heres the thing it was outside the 12 Nautical mile limit but within the economic zone of thailand. Under international law economic zone states

"A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea"

Thai Law also does not apply in the economic zone, If he fights this in international court it will be very interesting to see the outcome.

 

 

 

... you don know they don’t like to have a runny egg dripping from their faces, 55555 

[Boatfreak]

14 hours ago, ballpoint said:

It seems that people will rush to the defense of every loonie and crackpot who comes up against Thai law.  Try building a structure 12 miles off the coast of your own country, yet alone a foreign one, declare it an independent state, and see what happens.  

yes,

it is called Sealand and being in International waters I really don't see where there is a problem. https://www.sealandgov.org/

[donim]

In international law, there are two common theories about what makes a state "real". These theories are called are the "constitutive" and the "declaratory" theories of state creation. The constitutive theory says that a state exists if other states recognize it, but people disagree whether this means "diplomatic recognition" or just "recognition of existence".

 

 

Check Sealand on the web. This was done before, it's an micronation on a old oil platform 12 kilometers from the shore.

Back then when the international waters there started at 3 nautical miles, the government changed later that line to 12 nautical miles.

[Boatfreak]

28 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Revoking his visa will make him unable to get supplies from Thailand coastal areas and render him helpless to carry on living as such. 

Are they going to revoke his wife\girlfriend Thai nationality as well?

[AAArdvark]

14 hours ago, ballpoint said:

It seems that people will rush to the defense of every loonie and crackpot who comes up against Thai law.  Try building a structure 12 miles off the coast of your own country, yet alone a foreign one, declare it an independent state, and see what happens.  

Unless you are Chinese.

[peter14]

he was deemed to be a threat to Thai society, Thai citizens and the national security 

 

THIS IS most racist comment  i ever seen... 

[donim]

Just now, Boatfreak said:

Are they going to revoke his wife\girlfriend Thai nationality as well?

Can't, but they can take her passport and prohibit her leaving Thailand.

 

Then, the only way for her to go visit her boyfriend in their seahome is to move the seahome into Thai waters.

 

Free game for the navy.