2 hours ago, overherebc said:

Absolutely no idea.

I leave ideas on that to all the political experts on TV who obviously believe their ideas and gum bumping on here is going to have the slightest effect on what will be the eventual outcome of the whole affair.

I have my own priorities and how brexit or no brexit will affect them I have also no idea.

Who in their right mind believes a politician anywhere in the world?

They don't give a sh-t about me and I don't give a sh-t about them.

Don't vote for any of them, it only encourages them.

Imagine if they had an election and nobody voted

 

 

 

Well your in good company, as confirmed by the actions of Westminster.

22 hours ago, jonwilly said:

The only thing the EU ever wanted from Britain was money.

Money to finance their dream of a Socialist Europe and keep Germany from France's throat.

They never wanted British Culture or Legal system, mind you the Brit Military would have been a welcome aid for them.

Just money.

Germany and France organized the system so they could claim back large amounts from the Agricultural fund for their inefficient farmers, while UK's farmers could never claim such large amounts.

Maggie got her refund on the basis of the Common Agricultural Policy and the Blur gave half of it away on the understanding that France would reform it's farming, of course they never did or will do.

May made a bad deal. she should have told them hat under their Rules/law they were entitled to nothing and if UK was to kindly offer money then it would be on the understanding they the EU did all it could to assist a Clean break and withdraw.

 

john

 

iam yet to meet a poor farmer.

15 minutes ago, bomber said:

iam yet to meet a poor farmer.

Of course you haven't. as John says through the Agricultural Fund their quality incomes are maintained with no incentive to be more efficient.

You may however see poor farmers in Portugal and Spain if we leave without a deal. Fruit and vegetables are available from, and we already buy from, the African nations and the South American countries, and they are likely to come in duty free in the future.

Who are Spain and Portugal going to sell vegetables to if they don't sell to us and who are France and Spain going to sell their mountain of wine to if we decide to buy exclusively from S Africa, Australia and South America?

There are markets out there are there waiting to buy these large volumes are there?

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, aright said:

Of course you haven't. as John says through the Agricultural Fund their quality incomes are maintained with no incentive to be more efficient.

You may however see poor farmers in Portugal and Spain if we leave without a deal. Fruit and vegetables are available from, and we already buy from, the African nations and the South American countries, and they are likely to come in duty free in the future.

Who are Spain and Portugal going to sell vegetables to if they don't sell to us and who are France and Spain going to sell their mountain of wine to if we decide to buy exclusively from S Africa, Australia and South America?

There are markets out there are there waiting to buy these large volumes are there?

 

 

 

back to the they need us more than we need them rant,and all because of a apple and orange and a cabbage,another sterling crash and those will luxury items and too expensive for benefit scrounging brexiteers

40 minutes ago, bomber said:

iam yet to meet a poor farmer.

I'm inclined to agree.  The ridiculous CAP policy has worked even more badly in the uk, where small farmers (pretty much immediately?) sold off their farms to big business, who realised how much money they would make as a result of the eu CAP policy......

 

It became even more ridiculous when the eu started paying farmers not to produce!  If you're going to spend money in this way, then why not spend the subsidies on small, organic farmers?

 

I've no sympathy at all for big business uk farmers, who (IMO) need to lose their eu, income generating subsidies.

50 minutes ago, bomber said:

iam yet to meet a poor farmer.

Same as you have yet to meet a farang from Isaan.....????

8 minutes ago, bomber said:

back to the they need us more than we need them rant,and all because of a apple and orange and a cabbage,another sterling crash and those will luxury items and too expensive for benefit scrounging brexiteers

I've no idea how your incessant insults have not resulted in a ban from this forum ☹️.

On 6/16/2019 at 2:46 AM, CG1 Blue said:

You've actually quoted what Bumber said, but I agree we shouldn't have allowed so much foreign ownership. 

 

Where do you draw the line?

30 minutes ago, bomber said:

back to the they need us more than we need them rant,and all because of a apple and orange and a cabbage,another sterling crash and those will luxury items and too expensive for benefit scrounging brexiteers

Are you calling me a "benefit scrounging brexiteer" because I voted to leave the EU.....?

 

1 hour ago, aright said:

who are France and Spain going to sell their mountain of wine to if we decide to buy exclusively from S Africa, Australia and South America?

You think the UK will ban wines from France and Spain? You guys really live in lala land. 

 

 

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

I've no idea how your incessant insults have not resulted in a ban from this forum ☹️.

You're not alone...

A troll, baiting, flame post has been removed and two replies

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

You think the UK will ban wines from France and Spain? You guys really live in lala land. 

 

 

By jove I think you've almost got it. There will be no Armageddon and trade will not stop, whatever the trading terms are after Brexit. The Remainer soothsayers of economic doom are basing their propaganda on such fallacies. 

 

The trade balance is overwhelmingly in favour of EU countries, so why would you want to make problems after we have exited? 
There's always the question of our massive contribution of course, and the future existence implications to your corrupt club, but trying to punish the UK before and after Brexit is not a good idea. Tariffs work both ways and while UK imports of EU goods will not cease, they could become so expensive that you are left with some massive over production. Remember the wine lakes and butter mountains - they would seem insignificant. 

6 hours ago, bomber said:

iam yet to meet a poor farmer.

 

 

 Before I moved to Thailand,I did in fact owe a farm. And from my experience, what you state is largely true for lowland farmers. However there are many farmers up on the hills,trying to raise beast and sheep, who are in fact poor and struggling.

By jove I think you've almost got it. There will be no Armageddon and trade will not stop, whatever the trading terms are after Brexit. The Remainer soothsayers of economic doom are basing their propaganda on such fallacies. 
 
The trade balance is overwhelmingly in favour of EU countries, so why would you want to make problems after we have exited? 
There's always the question of our massive contribution of course, and the future existence implications to your corrupt club, but trying to punish the UK before and after Brexit is not a good idea. Tariffs work both ways and while UK imports of EU goods will not cease, they could become so expensive that you are left with some massive over production. Remember the wine lakes and butter mountains - they would seem insignificant. 

Just watch the top kiddies of the German car industry kicking into brussels quite soon if I'm any judge

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5 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 

 Before I moved to Thailand,I did in fact owe a farm. And from my experience, what you state is largely true for lowland farmers. However there are many farmers up on the hills,trying to raise beast and sheep, who are in fact poor and struggling.

You wait until the UK is at the mercy of a UK/US trade deal. 

 

American industrialised farming is going to wipe out the UK's faming sector. 

4 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Just watch the top kiddies of the German car industry kicking into brussels quite soon if I'm any judge

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The Brexiteer dream of the BMW cavalry arriving over the hill just in the nick fo time. 

Common sense tells you that the Germany car industry would not want to lose a large customer base.

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2 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Common sense tells you that the Germany car industry would not want to lose a large customer base.

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Common sense says ditch this increasingly unpopular Brexit.

 

 

Unpopular..I do not think so.

Common sense says ditch this increasingly unpopular Brexit.
 
 

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6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

You think the UK will ban wines from France and Spain? You guys really live in lala land. 

 

 

Of course I don't, people will still have a choice  but given the possibility that EU wines will likely come in tariff charged and Aust, NZ, SA, etc. wines could be no tarrif charged the EU might be signing its own wine death warrant.

You have obviously forgotten the significant increase over the last few decades  of new world wines to the detriment of France and Spain. Go to any major supermarket in the UK and you will see the display of new world wines is significantly larger than wines from the EU. I am in France at the moment and 5 years ago you would not have seen a new world wine in Auchan or Casino. They are now on the shelf in small quantities. The times they are achanging.

I was in India 2 years ago and they have the fastest growing wine industry in the world followed by the USA and Canada so France and Spain might be left with only high end wines. This is probably of no interest to home brew advocates. 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Common sense says ditch this increasingly unpopular Brexit.

 

 

It's not unpopular with more people.....it's just more unpopular with you. ????

This so called divorce payment is a sham. Sadly we had a weak if not treacherous PM who was a remainer and coudn't help acting like a remainer. What about all the money the UK paid into the EU assets and buildings for over 40 plus years. You get divorced you are entitled to your share. It needs a strong brexiteer to tel them how it is.

Not that the Hard Brexiteers have made any calculations about anything other than the made up 350 mill nonsense.

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Some  strange logic in the threat of refusing to pay as the basis for "forcing" an unlikely new agreement.
If it comes to pass the Brexit eventuates at all then the EU would have a very good bargaining chip for any ongoing trade.
Meanwhile Trump will rubbing his hands over an increased opportunity to screw over his "so much loved"
pseudo cousins for new trade expectations going in the US direction.
The UK  has put itself between a rock and a hard place. Now it seems to consider banging it's  head on same rock is a wise thing?

Rock On is a Brexiteer slogan.

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Unfortunately karma is a myth for sheep and what goes around does not come around. We should send the French a bill for liberating them twice from the Germans in two wars.

Hello! Its the 'Allo, Allo' Team.

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I wonder if Macron, established by the Rothschild bankers, should be suggested to get extracurricular mathematic lessons.
I am not British, neither EU citizen, but as far as I understand, the UK had shoveled in billions of pounds into this endless pit in Bruxelles called the European Union.

This makes me wonder, honestly, who is the debtor here. But then, what do I know ........

Once you read its the Rothschild's fault, you know where that contributor jumped out from. Not a pleasant whiff.

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22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Brexiteer dream of the BMW cavalry arriving over the hill just in the nick fo time. 

Not a dream, more of a forecast. It's the only sensible way out of the impasse. The headline is way over exited, because there's no shock to anybody on the Brexit side for the fence. It's been the obvious solution since the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was first known to be the heaviest parliamentary defeat of a British PM in the democratic era.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141750/brexit-news-latest-tory-leadership-contest-boris-johnson-no-deal

Brexit LIVE: Hard Brexit for Britain could plunge Germany into RECESSION - shock warning

A GERMAN economist has warned how a hard Brexit could plunge the country into recession, as Brexiteer politicians said the UK should scrap Theresa May’s “dead” withdrawal agreement and move directly on to the Future Relationship agreement.

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Not a dream, more of a forecast. It's the only sensible way out of the impasse. The headline is way over exited, because there's no shock to anybody on the Brexit side for the fence. It's been the obvious solution since the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was first known to be the heaviest parliamentary defeat of a British PM in the democratic era.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141750/brexit-news-latest-tory-leadership-contest-boris-johnson-no-deal

Brexit LIVE: Hard Brexit for Britain could plunge Germany into RECESSION - shock warning

A GERMAN economist has warned how a hard Brexit could plunge the country into recession, as Brexiteer politicians said the UK should scrap Theresa May’s “dead” withdrawal agreement and move directly on to the Future Relationship agreement.

Well, drowning someone else with you is a pale consolation...

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Not a dream, more of a forecast. It's the only sensible way out of the impasse. The headline is way over exited, because there's no shock to anybody on the Brexit side for the fence. It's been the obvious solution since the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was first known to be the heaviest parliamentary defeat of a British PM in the democratic era.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1141750/brexit-news-latest-tory-leadership-contest-boris-johnson-no-deal

Brexit LIVE: Hard Brexit for Britain could plunge Germany into RECESSION - shock warning

A GERMAN economist has warned how a hard Brexit could plunge the country into recession, as Brexiteer politicians said the UK should scrap Theresa May’s “dead” withdrawal agreement and move directly on to the Future Relationship agreement.

 

Amazing! Germany is going into freefall and many people still want to take no deal off the table. Is there any better example of Remainer disingenuity regarding UK interests? 

Will Germany leave the Euro (the Dmark by any other name) causing a Euro crash? I'm beginning to think they might!

Well, drowning someone else with you is a pale consolation...

Brexiteers think doing that doing the lemming thing amounts to a strategy.

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